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Old 12-24-2007, 08:45 AM   #1
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Default Medication For Hyper Yorkie?

Dylan is 6 months old and is totally nuts when out of his pen. He will sit and stay and heel nicely when he gets his walks with his pinch collar, but once inside with the collar off, he's super hyper and won't obey his commands because he full of play, jumping and running like the Road Runner, that can last for quite a while.

When I jokingly mentioned to his vet that there should be a valium pill for Yorkies, he said there is medication you can give them to calm them down a little. Has anyone had any experience with this medication? I don't remember the name but it was something like Doggie Down.

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Pinch collar??? Did I read that right? Please please please stop using it. Yorkies are very prone to collapsed trachea. Always use a harness.

He's still a puppy. I strongly discourage medication except for emergency situations. Wear him out with playing and walks. That's the nature of a yorkie...embrace and enjoy his playfulness.

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Dylan is 6 months old and is totally nuts when out of his pen. He will sit and stay and heel nicely when he gets his walks with his pinch collar, but once inside with the collar off, he's super hyper and won't obey his commands because he full of play, jumping and running like the Road Runner, that can last for quite a while.

When I jokingly mentioned to his vet that there should be a valium pill for Yorkies, he said there is medication you can give them to calm them down a little. Has anyone had any experience with this medication? I don't remember the name but it was something like Doggie Down.

Thanks.
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Pinch collar??? Did I read that right? Please please please stop using it. Yorkies are very prone to collapsed trachea. Always use a harness.

He's still a puppy. I strongly discourage medication except for emergency situations. Wear him out with playing and walks. That's the nature of a yorkie...embrace and enjoy his playfulness.
I TOTALLY agree - he's a puppy - let him play - they need to expel their puppy energy -

it's like a human baby - you don't expect them potty trained at birth do you ???
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Oh I so agree with Judy and it is very sad if you are using a pinch collar and want to medicate what is natural to a Yorkie. Please reconsider, if this is what you are doing. A Yorkie is a terrier and this one is just a puppy.
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Old 12-24-2007, 09:12 AM   #5
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Thanks for the advice. It's really confusing...I have consulted with several obedience trainers with upcoming classes. One recommends no collar, another recommends a choke chain, another a pinch collar, another a harness. Then some use all treats for responses, yet one trainer who has TV and movie dogs guarantees results with absolutely no treats and a pinch collar, and "scaring techniques" in the dog's environment, like noisy cans with rocks or pennies inside.

He's got to get into an obedience class in January but I'm so confused which route to take, so many different choices.

Another thing I'm curious about...if I get him a harness, does it stay on at all times? He jumps and squirms when his collar goes on him and it would be a fight putting a harness on and taking it off a few times a day.

Thanks for any help.
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Tbone loves his harness, because it means he gets to go somewhere. So he behaves very well when we put it on and take it off. But as soon as he has it on he is very hyper too, just because he really wants to go on a walk. Just praise him when you are putting on the harness, so he associates it with something good happening.

Were the people who suggested these collars and training methods specifically talking about yorkies? I just wonder because I do think that pinch collars work ok on other types of dogs, like a golden retriever, but I also think they are not necessary. If Cesar Millan can control a red-zone dog without one, I think other people can too. When we went through training class, our teacher suggested gentle leaders (face harnesses) for all of the other students in our class except us. Our dogs were to little to try that technique. I think you can get better results with these kind of dogs with praise techniques than scare tactics. I do think the pennies in a can works though!

Best of luck, I hope the training class goes well and you find out what works best for you. When our dogs get super worked up, I usually just walk away from them and ignore them til they calm down.
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I firmly believe in positive training for a Yorkie. Anyone who suggests, pinch or choke collar could be killing your Yorkie and I don't believe these methods should be used on any dog. I believe that only harness's should be used on a Yorkie and it is okay to leave one on a Yorkie all the time but it will matt up their hair. Yorkies love one on one interaction and they love to get out and walk.

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WHY I BELIEVE IN RELATIONSHIP-BASED TRAINING
By Sherry Woodard
Through my over thirty years of training experience, I have found that positive dog training built on a relationship is the most kind, effective method of training. When you have a relationship with the dog, you have trust, and the dog wants to spend time with and work with you. By reinforcing behaviors that you like and want to continue seeing, you set the dog up for success. Positive dog training is effective for teaching new behaviors or changing current behavior for ANY genetically stable, medically healthy animals. Regardless of an animal’s age and past experiences, positive training methods give an animal the best chance for success in his lifetime.
My education consists first of training many different types of animals. The success of positive training, in modifying the behavior, was proof of its value. As I became aware of other training techniques, through years of experience of working with other trainers, veterinarians, attending conferences, reading books, and watching videos, I furthered my belief in positive training methods based in relationship. By staying abreast of the animal welfare movement, I continue to be open to advances in the field of training and behavior.
We can use this simple rule to our advantage—dogs do what works. Keeping this in mind, positive training methods include:
Understanding the animal’s needs—is this animal injured, ill, fearful, frustrated, hungry, thirsty, needs to eliminate?
Understanding body language to help the animals and keep ourselves safe
Reinforcing any behavior you like
Eliciting and reinforcing appropriate behavior through shaping, targeting, or capturing the behavior
Teaching incompatible behaviors to address undesirable behaviors
Preventing the ability to continue practicing unwanted behaviors by controlling the environment, and controlling exposure
Supervising to set up for success
Setting up situations for behavior modification
Using what the dog wants to your advantage; find out what motivates the dog
Ignoring unwanted behavior
Distracting a dog to refocus
Positive trainers also have realistic expectations for the animal. They understand that animals are not born knowing how to fit into our human lives. Most adult dogs I meet have not properly been taught how to be part of a loving human family. If they have been in a loving home they still lack the skill to generalize toward strangers, new situations, etc. Punishing an animal for not knowing anything is an unfair expectation. Every animal should be seen as an individual.
There are training methods, not based in relationship, that I choose not to use after seeing the negative effects on the animals. These are methods which cause confusion, lack of trust, breakdown in relationship, physical injury, fear, and so-called unpredictable behavior. Examples include:
Dominance
Physical force
Pushing a dog into a sit or down
Alpha rolls
Physical punishment (hitting, kicking, slapping, hanging, finger grabs)
Leash corrections
Harsh tones; verbal reprimands
Cornering the dog and not giving him an “out”
Methods which rely on inflicting pain
Pinch/prong collar
Training/choke chains
In addition to the negative effects on the animals, these techniques have caused people to get injured and dogs to lose their lives. The success rate for positive-based training greatly outweighs the use of punishment/discipline-based training.
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Old 12-24-2007, 09:38 AM   #8
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Short of bringing Dylan into the store, how and where do I measure him to know what size harness is right? He's 6.6 pounds at 6 months...and at this rate I figure he'll be the size and weight of a beer keg at one year!!

Incidentally, he was the only Yorkie in the pinch collar class. The other dogs were medium to quite large. But this woman has won many awards in shows and has dogs that she trained for TV and movies. They're kinda like "Stepford dogs" but that are really obedient. They follow her every word. Yet she uses no treats at all. I just don't know what class to enroll him into since the approaches are all so different apparently.
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I love the Lupine H Harness. This website shows it for cats but others will show it for dogs (they have 2 sizes and they will expand as the dog grows). They are guaranteed for life, even if chewed.

http://www.petexpectations.com/catal...69/4252738.htm

In regards to the trainer, I guess I could be taught to do just about anything if you always hurt me when I did something wrong. There are always short term ways to train an animal but you have to decide if harming an animal is the way you would like your pet trained. Would you like to be choked or pinched to learn something. I remember as a child, watching cowboys beat a horse so the horse was saddle trained in 3 days. They got the desired results but how cruel. Training takes time and patience but you have to decide how the approach is.
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We use a dogo harness in size small! I would be lost without that harness. I will never own another brand EVER! I promise it will work! And it is safe for our small breeds. I have 2 the last one I got on ebay super cheap, I don't think they are at petco or petsmart usually at smaller independently owned stores.
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Oh my gosh, I am so glad to read you're getting rid of the pinch collar. Yorkies are VERY prone to tracheal collapse and should never, ever have a leash attached to their collar, let alone a pinch collar.

There are some very odd trainers out there, so beeeeeeware! And good luck.
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My Otis pulls on a regular collar. I learned about harnesses here on YT and thank God I did. Otis still pulls but it takes the pressure off his trachea. He gets excited too when I get out the harness, but will eventually get the hang of it because like labrown said, it means he gets to go bye bye.
The hyperness is completely normal for any puppy. 2 speeds, full speed and sleep. I encourage you to wear that baby out!!!!!! You will notice a difference in behavior almost immediately. Less mischief and lots more fun!!!
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Thanks for the advice. It's really confusing...I have consulted with several obedience trainers with upcoming classes. One recommends no collar, another recommends a choke chain, another a pinch collar, another a harness. Then some use all treats for responses, yet one trainer who has TV and movie dogs guarantees results with absolutely no treats and a pinch collar, and "scaring techniques" in the dog's environment, like noisy cans with rocks or pennies inside.

He's got to get into an obedience class in January but I'm so confused which route to take, so many different choices.

Another thing I'm curious about...if I get him a harness, does it stay on at all times? He jumps and squirms when his collar goes on him and it would be a fight putting a harness on and taking it off a few times a day.

Thanks for any help.

NEVER EVER use a pinch collar, choke collar, scaring techniques, meds, or any of that PLEASE! Your dog is a baby still and he has puppy energy. I have an 11 month old and an 8 month old and they are still crazy as ever and I would NEVER consider that. Putting your puppy on a calming medication like valium is kind of like the sudden craze in diagnosing almost every kid with ADD. The only way I would give my dog a calming med is if he/she had a SERIOUS anxiety issue. My 8 month old is a rescue and yes I have considered it because he does have a bad issue with anxiety but we are working through it. Get your dog in obedience classes... it helps a lot. Spend a lot of time playing with your dog. Take him for long walks. Socialize him with other dogs. If you work long days, take him to a puppy day care, but don't expect him or ANY dog to calm all the time. Also, I do recommend using treats as a way of training. Dogs respond best to consistency and positive reinforcement and of course they LOVE treats and since your puppy is still young, I recommend just short amounts of time like 30 minutes of training, then take a break, etc.
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Absolutely no collars should be used on Yorkies except maybe as decoration. Always a harness--there are many different kinds and many are quite decorative. Do a search here on YT for harnesses--many YTers make them.

And in my opinion, if you're thinking of putting the dog on valium, I have to ask did you really research this breed before getting one??? Wear the puppy out by playing with him; do not medicate the dog.
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He's a puppy, of course he has lots of energy and wants to play. I have a four-month old who never stops, but I would NEVER even consider a pinch collar or meds! Please, these little dogs have very delicate tracheas, don't use the pinch collar!

Why would you even want a puppy if you don't like how hyper they are and want to keep them quiet and medicated all the time?
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