Judy Marksbury- Show Breeder

[normarae63]

I have read all the threads. I feel bad for all involved.
Mostly, I feel bad for Max.

I truly think the two parties need to handle this privately at this point. Perhaps a mediator could become involved so that neither has any more hurt caused.

[dottiesyrky]

I agree with you, but for mediation you need open minds on both sides. Hope it can happen soon as this is all very distressing for all. One good thing is that Max is being taken care of very well.

[gemy]

[QUOTE=Yorkieville200;4349851]Gemy,

I sent you Maxwell's Sire & Dam information in a private message this morning, but I will post it here as well.

Sire:PELLERD-ORE TOP GUN
TR66899601 (2-09) BL & TN NONE (HUN)
AKC DNA #V484482

Dam:POTRAITS TREASURE O PELLERDORE
TR60763901 (8-09) BL & GLD


Search Results from eye registry CERF Registry/Breeder Options Lookup


No records found for current search criteria. I searched under the registration numbers on both dogs.

[dottiesyrky]

What does this mean for Max and Sheila, is Cerf registration essential for an AKC pup/breeder. I am asking as I am totally ignorant of breeder rules and how they affect the validity of a contract. Please do not take my question in any other way.
Thank you for doing this search by the way.

[gemy]

[QUOTE=Dixies Mom;4349937]As a retired law enforcement officer, proof is a big key. Also, as a human being who also lives everyday with a life threatening diseased, the truth is the most important.
You are asking for an absolute resolution on your terms without providing any proof to the breeder. Mrs. Marksbury has agreed to honor her contract.

I believe that the owner should be getting that paperwork out shortly. It is reasonable for a breeder to request the results of tests that have shown a problem or problem(s) going on.

A second opinion for sure can be sought at the breeders expense, she can pick a board certified opthamologist within a reasonable travel distance to the purchaser. Should the purchasers vet health records and the current opthamologists consult report not be enough to satisfy the breeder.

As a breeder who would never knowingly breed a dog with a genetic condition I would gladly pay for that consult, especially seeing as I have done no CERF's according to the CERF registry on either one of the breeding pair. If this dry eye is autosomal recessive that means both these dogs carry the gene! And that by God I would want to know for sure that this puppy has this condition. If it is autosomal dominant, and some diseases can be, without full penetration throughout the litter, then at least one of the littermates from either sire or dam would have expressed this condition.

This is a life long condition, and maybe surgery (which will be expensive) just might correct it, but if not you are talking about drops for the lifetime of the dog.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

Talk about heartless! Judy must read all this via email, and how a Christian and humane lady cannot be moved I do not know. Does she not realize all this drama is causing Sheila to be really sick and does she want her health decline on her conscience? I thought that good breeders had feelings and cared for living things and yet she seems to have no empathy for Max, Sheila, or her very concerned husband. If this an ego thing for you Judy, swallow your pride and end this now, please!!!

How do you know the OP? Have you been to her house? Have you met her in person? Do you really know her except for YT? How can you judge Judy a dedicated breeder, owner-handler of yorkies for over 30 years. Judy is nothing but integrity. Are there other cases of neglect? Have you seen the actual vet reports? Who is the veterinarian on record for the puppy?

[theporkieyorkie]

Originally Posted by normarae63

I have read all the threads. I feel bad for all involved.
Mostly, I feel bad for Max.

I truly think the two parties need to handle this privately at this point. Perhaps a mediator could become involved so that neither has any more hurt caused.

Hopefully, if nothing else, this thread will lead to open dialogue between the two. I hope that one of them comes back to this thread to publicly share the outcome and what is happening with Maxwell!! I would think it would be good for the breeder if they worked things out and Sheila was all of the sudden singing praises.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

You are reading one side... I would like to see this proof. As I stated, I know Judy. I know her heart. She did alter her contract for this person when she asked for the registration papers now, for her will which makes no sense to me, he was sold as a pet.
I also know how Judy keeps and treats her dogs. Judging someone without actually knowing them and dealing with them first hand is wrong. Taking someone else's word about someone with taking the time to find out facts is wrong.
Judy has offered to go and get the puppy and refund her money... What more can she do?
You are all attacking her with out all of the facts.

Since you are friends with this breeder maybe you could ask her to come here and answer the questions being put forth by those of us who care about Sheila and her little Max. My question up front is even after she gets conformation from Sheila's vet would she be willing to do as several show breeders here have stated they would do and that is be responsible for the vet bills and let Sheila keep little Max? I think from what little she has said here she would not. As far as the defaming of her character, Sheila is stating things she saw and has been told by Judy. That is in no way considered defaming of character in a court of law. My DIL has been a paralegal for 15 years for one of our top attorneys and she knows this law well. It takes an awful lot of evidence to prove you have been defamed and have it stand up in a court of law. I hope Sheila will not be intimidated by the fact that you stated you used to be a police officer and will continue to try to get this all settled. Oh and btw what you said about Sheila and her will how was that not the same thing? How could you possibly know if that was not her reason for wanting the papers early? Continuing to pray for you and little Max Sheila. As for the breeder I am also praying for you and that you will do what is best for all concerned here especially this little puppy Max. As for refunding her money Judy stated here that she would give her a replacement, no mention of refunding any money.

[theporkieyorkie]

[quote=gemy;4349984]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Gemy,

I sent you Maxwell's Sire & Dam information in a private message this morning, but I will post it here as well.

Sire:PELLERD-ORE TOP GUN
TR66899601 (2-09) BL & TN NONE (HUN)
AKC DNA #V484482

Dam:POTRAITS TREASURE O PELLERDORE
TR60763901 (8-09) BL & GLD


Search Results from eye registry CERF Registry/Breeder Options Lookup


No records found for current search criteria. I searched under the registration numbers on both dogs.

Hey Gemy....

Does this mean that the breeder did NO genetic testing on these dogs...or is this just referring to the eyes only??

[gemy]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

What does this mean for Max and Sheila, is Cerf registration essential for an AKC pup/breeder. I am asking as I am totally ignorant of breeder rules and how they affect the validity of a contract. Please do not take my question in any other way.
Thank you for doing this search by the way.

All YTCA breeder members are highly encouraged to CHIC their breeding dog(s). For the Yorkshire Terrier that includes a CERF examination in order to qualify for a CHIC number. Furthermore CERF's are recommended to be done at least before every breeding and or yearly. There are a number of tests for the YT I believe it is only three that the YTCA requires you to have done, in order to qualify for a CHIC number.

This will not affect as far as I am aware the "validity of the contract", but MORE to code of ethic violations at the club level.

I may need to amend my Health Concerns for Yorkies to include this condition; right now I am not sure if I have dry eye on the list, I do know I have cataracts on the list.

But as I have written over and over again here and other places, part of the research on the breeder is to go to these health registries and see what health tests have been done, before even thinking about purchasing a puppy!!!!!!!!!!!

[gemy]

[quote=theporkieyorkie;4349995]

Originally Posted by gemy

Hey Gemy....

Does this mean that the breeder did NO genetic testing on these dogs...or is this just referring to the eyes only??

It is referring to the eyes only. www.offa.org you can go to to see if hips and or knees/elbows were tested.

Don't even bother going to CHIC as she couldn't have one as there are no CERF's on file.

[Dixies Mom]

I will not ask Judy to come back to this forum, why would I?
As far as the papers, I ask Judy why on earth she would release registration papers with out proof of spay or neuter. She told me the story.
Read the definition of defamation... How do you know what is fact? The word of another?
I do not know this OP, but, I see who she is in her posts. She needs to return the pup for a full refund as offered by the breeder who I might add is yet to see a vet report.

[dottiesyrky]

Thank you for the info. It does appear that the breeder is not of the high standard we would hope for and expect.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

I will not ask Judy to come back to this forum, why would I?
As far as the papers, I ask Judy why on earth she would release registration papers with out proof of spay or neuter. She told me the story.
Read the definition of defamation... How do you know what is fact? The word of another?
I do not know this OP, but, I see who she is in her posts. She needs to return the pup for a full refund as offered by the breeder who I might add is yet to see a vet report.

Did you read Judy's post here? She not one time offered this OP a refund of money. She offered her another pup from the same litter who if this is a genetic problem could end up with the same issues. She offered to pay only for the parasite issues if she got the papers from the vet. We are not just taking another persons word for this but Judy's own words.

[theporkieyorkie]

Another question(sorry, it's confusing)....Since she doesn't have a CICH #, does that mean she hasn't done genetic testing on any of her dogs, or just this breeding pair??

This seems like a great way to screen breeders. Wish it were more widely known among owners. I never would have known had it not been for Yorkie Talk.