Judy Marksbury- Show Breeder

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

For what it's worth, Judy appears to have honored the terms of her contract. Now that something has gone wrong we have a buyer wanting to change the terms of the contract after the fact.
Personally, I would buy back the puppy, AND likely reimburse the vet fees AFTER confirming the conditions treated indeed existed. I don't like the "you keep the puppy and get your money back" system as too much temptation for fraud. My contract says "full refund upon return of the puppy." I've made exceptions based on the customer's willingness to work WITH me and not remarkably AGAINST me. Don't worry, any puppy coming back would be given the best of care!
Sorry to have to post this, but this thread is getting sickening!
By the way, if you don't like my terms, don't buy my puppy!

Would you send a puppy to his new home with yeast infections in both ears, a severe bacterial infection in his left eye, and Giardia? And then, diagnosed with Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia?

I don't think so.

These things didn't happen in our home.

I never asked Judy to pay one cent of Maxwell's Vet bills. Judy offered to take Maxwell back, Oct 31st.

My husband asked her, acknowleding that her contract states replacement puppy, if she would just give us a refund. He never aksed her to reimburse us for the Vet bills.

She wrote him a nasty e-mail. I've posted it.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I agree with this also no breeder should be expected to buy back and let a person keep their puppy but if a it is a defect in the breeders lines I feel they should be willing to pay the vet bills up to the cost of the puppy. I don't think anyone here thinks anyone should expect a breeder to give a free puppy away.

I don't want a "free" puppy. And I have never asked Judy to pay one cent of Maxwell's Vet bills.

If she had truly cared about Maxwell, I would think she would have asked for the Vet reports.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

For what it's worth, Judy appears to have honored the terms of her contract. Now that something has gone wrong we have a buyer wanting to change the terms of the contract after the fact.
Personally, I would buy back the puppy, AND likely reimburse the vet fees AFTER confirming the conditions treated indeed existed. I don't like the "you keep the puppy and get your money back" system as too much temptation for fraud. My contract says "full refund upon return of the puppy." I've made exceptions based on the customer's willingness to work WITH me and not remarkably AGAINST me. Don't worry, any puppy coming back would be given the best of care!
Sorry to have to post this, but this thread is getting sickening!
By the way, if you don't like my terms, don't buy my puppy!

Admittedly, I haven't read all 10 pages of this thread, along with the other 2 threads about it. I'm confused as to what exactly the OP expects to have happen. The contract covers life threatening conditions and specifies return of the dog. Indiana doesn't have any puppy lemon laws in place. Both parties signed the contract and agreed to the terms. It's highly unlikely that any judge would do anything other than enforce the terms of the contract, which would mean Max would be returned to the breeder and the money paid for him refunded. If reimbursement of medical costs weren't covered in the contract, then those would be lost as well.

We have an unfortunate situation that wasn't covered by the contract. We may all have our opinions about what we think the breeder should do. But to be honest, after reading some of the comments on this thread, the last thing I would be doing as a breeder is responding on here. I would be seeking legal counsel.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Admittedly, I haven't read all 10 pages of this thread, along with the other 2 threads about it. I'm confused as to what exactly the OP expects to have happen. The contract covers life threatening conditions and specifies return of the dog. Indiana doesn't have any puppy lemon laws in place. Both parties signed the contract and agreed to the terms. It's highly unlikely that any judge would do anything other than enforce the terms of the contract, which would mean Max would be returned to the breeder and the money paid for him refunded. If reimbursement of medical costs weren't covered in the contract, then those would be lost as well.

We have an unfortunate situation that wasn't covered by the contract. We may all have our opinions about what we think the breeder should do. But to be honest, after reading some of the comments on this thread, the last thing I would be doing as a breeder is responding on here. I would be seeking legal counsel.

At this point, all I can say is that according to the rules of the YTCA that Gemy posted, Judy broke those rules, sending home a sick puppy.

My mistake? Believing what Judy told me on the phone, when we 1st spoke.

And my husband and my mistake-believing her when we made our 1st trip to see the puppies when they were 12 weeks old.

But over 30 years, I have bought 3 beautiful Yorkies from wonderful Show breeders.

Never a problem.

There is more to this story, so I will try to be brief and to the point.

Judy misrepresented this puppy from the start, sending me a picture labled gustos mom, stating she is the Mom.

Found out she is not the Dam.

Also told us that she imported the Dam-not true.

Claimed she is bad with pictures. But sent that same picture to a friend of mine.

[Dixies Mom]

The OP has had Max since September. If his condition was apparent at the time you took him home, on his wellness check from your vet would have shown the irregularities. The OP never mentioned any of this to the breeder until much later. What does the puppies initial vet report state?
When you went to look at the puppies, you state, you were able to see the parents. You picked this puppy after spending much time with him and seeing the parents.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

At this point, all I can say is that according to the rules of the YTCA that Gemy posted, Judy broke those rules, sending home a sick puppy.

My mistake? Believing what Judy told me on the phone, when we 1st spoke.

And my husband and my mistake-believing her when we made our 1st trip to see the puppies when they were 12 weeks old.

But over 30 years, I have bought 3 beautiful Yorkies from wonderful Show breeders.

Never a problem.

There is more to this story, so I will try to be brief and to the point.

Judy misrepresented this puppy from the start, sending me a picture labled gustos mom, stating she is the Mom.

Found out she is not the Dam.

Also told us that she imported the Dam-not true.

Claimed she is bad with pictures. But sent that same picture to a friend of mine.

Gusto's is a male that Judy is showing now and as she has explained to you many times, sending his moms photo was an error on her part. She took full responsibility for her mistake! No bait and switch ever took place, as she never owned Gusto's mom....

[misskate]

I really hope you will settle this question as quickly as possible for your own sake and for that of your husband. Having a sick puppy in the house is bad enought but your health is at risk because of all the stress and it is wearing on you husband too. Try to get the medical report to the breeder and request a reply. Then take a deep breath and try to get some rest.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

Gusto's is a male that Judy is showing now and as she has explained to you many times, sending his moms photo was an error on her part. She took full responsibility for her mistake! No bait and switch ever took place, as she never owned Gusto's mom....

After my post-please do not post to me further.

If the picture was a mistake-then, ask yourself-why did she send that same picture to a friend of mine?

Ask yourself, why did she tell us that she imported Treasure?

Now, do not speak to me again.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

The OP has had Max since September. If his condition was apparent at the time you took him home, on his wellness check from your vet would have shown the irregularities. The OP never mentioned any of this to the breeder until much later. What does the puppies initial vet report state?
When you went to look at the puppies, you state, you were able to see the parents. You picked this puppy after spending much time with him and seeing the parents.

This is what I am questioning. Was the vet clued in to the possibility of the lacrimal duct aplasia at the initial visit? If not, was there any reasonable expectation that the vet who saw the pup prior to him being released to the new home should have suspected? Probably not because aplasia is not the first thing that comes to mind when you have a pup with goopy eyes. If neither vet had reason to suspect it at the time, than its not reasonable to expect that the breeder should have been aware of it and knowingly sold a dog with this condition.

From reading here, it seems that the OP had questions about parentage prior to picking up the puppy. If that was the case, why on earth would you go through with the sale until you were completely satisfied with the resolution?

It does seem there is more to the story. As with every conflict, there is the OP's side, the breeder's side and the truth lies some where in between.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

After my post-please do not post to me further.

If the picture was a mistake-then, ask yourself-why did she send that same picture to a friend of mine?

Ask yourself, why did she tell us that she imported Treasure?

Now, do not speak to me again.

This is a public forum. The poster has every right to post here if she feels like doing so. You chose to make this public. If you don't want to read her posts, then please use the ignore feature or ask a moderator to lock the thread.

[Oddsock]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

After my post-please do not post to me further.

If the picture was a mistake-then, ask yourself-why did she send that same picture to a friend of mine?

Ask yourself, why did she tell us that she imported Treasure?

Now, do not speak to me again.

Can we really demand that certain posters can't reply to our posts? What is this board coming too.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by misskate

I really hope you will settle this question as quickly as possible for your own sake and for that of your husband. Having a sick puppy in the house is bad enought but your health is at risk because of all the stress and it is wearing on you husband too. Try to get the medical report to the breeder and request a reply. Then take a deep breath and try to get some rest.

Thank you. We are taking Maxwell to the Vet tomorrrow for his 3rd Schirmer tear test.

Then, we will send a copy of all the tests and results to the breeder, and to YTCA and AKC.

We will let them handle it.

We do need to deal with my health issues-I have a lot ahead, and you are right, it is bad enough having a sick puppy in the house.

All I can add is I never in a million years expected to get a sick puppy from a Show breeder.

Each of my 3 beautiful girls came from wonderful, caring Show breeders.

I guess, I trust too much.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

After my post-please do not post to me further.

If the picture was a mistake-then, ask yourself-why did she send that same picture to a friend of mine?

Ask yourself, why did she tell us that she imported Treasure?

Now, do not speak to me again.

I do not know that she did... Treasures mother was imported. Maybe you misunderstood, which happens. Treasure was born in the USA, if this was a lie, it was a stupid one, Judy is far from stupid.
Just as you assumed there were no champions in the background of her imported German lines, AKC does not show foreign championships on a pedigree.
You also state Judy has never ask for vet reports, I have been told different however, she should not have to. You are making the allegations, the burden of proof is on you. When you emailed Judy about the issues the report should have been attached, they were not.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

This is a public forum. The poster has every right to post here if she feels like doing so. You chose to make this public. If you don't want to read her posts, then please use the ignore feature or ask a moderator to lock the thread.

Thank you-I have never noticed the ignore button. I don't have a problem with Dixie's Mom posting in this thread. I'm just tired of her implying that I have set out to defame a breeder.

And she has stated she doesn't believe the e-mail the breeder sent my husband was sent by the breeder.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Thank you-I have never noticed the ignore button. I don't have a problem with Dixie's Mom posting in this thread. I'm just tired of her implying that I have set out to defame a breeder.

And she has stated she doesn't believe the e-mail the breeder sent my husband was sent by the breeder.

As someone who lives with cancer and auto immune diseases I deal with as a result, I began questioning you and your motives when you began blaming Judy for a progression of your disease. I saw the email your husband sent about wanting the paperwork in place... I am appalled. As I stated before emotional blackmail. You played on Judy's sympathy and feeling for you to get her to give you Max's registration before the neuter. What does his registration have to do with his care once you are gone? I have made arrangements for all of mine and guess what, they are still in my name! Also, Judy is listed as getting my imports!

"Do you really think I would risk my soul, posting lies????"....and yet you have.