Judy Marksbury- Show Breeder

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

for all parties involved this would be the best option in my opinion. Yes I would give the pup back if it was exacerbating my illness. I have read the entire thread and as an outsider to the situation it is a he said she said argument. I think both parties involved need to communicate and do what is in the best interest of this pup. without all the name calling and illness issues of the persons not the pup involved. The main thing here is the pups well being. I do not believe this pup would suffer if he went back to the breeder. This is my opinion and I am not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do. For some that have questioned the replacement pup in contracts, there is no set in stone clause that says that has to be done. It is put there as an option. In my opinion the biggest problem here is communication.

I think mistakes were made on both sides, starting with the decision to get a high maintenance tiny pup when one's own health needs to be the priority. I understand the need for emotional support, I understand loss~ I just think a puppy is too much right now. It sounds like giving him back and hoping for financial resolve is the best option. The breeder can't pay you until you can change ownership which was made difficult by your early registration. There are no winners here but I wish everyone (including the breeder) peace.

[Oddsock]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I think mistakes were made on both sides, starting with the decision to get a high maintenance tiny pup when one's own health needs to be the priority. I understand the need for emotional support, I understand loss~ I just think a puppy is too much right now. It sounds like giving him back and hoping for financial resolve is the best option. The breeder can't pay you until you can change ownership which was made difficult by your early registration. There are no winners here but I wish everyone (including the breeder) peace.

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[Lovetodream88]

I will never understand how people can say just return the pup after even just 30 minutes with Callie I would have never been able to do that. I think maybe it is easier for breeders to say that because they have to say goodbye to all of there pups but for a normal person it is not that easy. I fact in some cases I would say impossible. Having the pup for even two days is different this pup has been part of there family for over a month!

[k9lover]

This post is for Rich, I emailed him last night to ask him, again for the documents form his vet and to speak with his vet, I have NEVER heard anything. I have NO information. I should of been included in Maxes health care from the start and I have not been. I am at the bottom of the list as far as being shown these documents. In my email last night I offered to take MAX back and I would manage his health care with my vet. I have offered them another puppy from a different litter because they didn't want Maxes sister, I understand their concerns. I will supply a health certificate for the new puppy .My contract was read and signed by these owners I am trying to honor the contract we all signed. I have to get on here to see what is happening and as the breeder I find it sad. I love my puppies and I did not know this baby had a dry eye problem, They spent 3 hours with Max at my house and they didn't see it either? I have NEVER had this problem in 35 years. I know it is a problem in our breed I just have never had this in my dogs. Also one more thing you need to know, During 3 weeks in October my husband of 44 years was in the hospital for critical health problems. All of my communications for that time were done from my phone and in a hospital room.I take responsibility for my dogs ,that is why I want Max returned. You guys don't know me and I don't know you ,so please lets stop talking about what if and just return my puppy as per my contract. If Rich wants to post lasts nights email sent to him he has my permission. Thank you

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I think mistakes were made on both sides, starting with the decision to get a high maintenance tiny pup when one's own health needs to be the priority. I understand the need for emotional support, I understand loss~ I just think a puppy is too much right now. It sounds like giving him back and hoping for financial resolve is the best option. The breeder can't pay you until you can change ownership which was made difficult by your early registration. There are no winners here but I wish everyone (including the breeder) peace.

I couldn't have said it better myself! Nothing against the OP or breeder but personally, I myself, probably would have not or wouldn't place a puppy into a home when the puppy buyer is ill and not expected to live the length of the puppy's life unless of course it was unexpected! Also, if the puppy buyer can no longer care for the pup I place, the puppy per my contract comes back to me NOT another home!
I pray a resolution comes for what is in the best interest of the pup!

Donna Bird

[k9lover]

I posted a reply here but don't see it? Excuse me,I am new to yorkietalk

[dottiesyrky]

Don't worry, sometimes it is held back by the moderator when a poster has only posted a few times as you have. It should appear soon.

[lynzy420]

Great post Maggiesmom and Shelby's...very nice.

Prayers for all involved.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I couldn't have said it better myself! Nothing against the OP or breeder but personally, I myself, probably would have not or wouldn't place a puppy into a home when the puppy buyer is ill and not expected to live the length of the puppy's life unless of course it was unexpected! Also, if the puppy buyer can no longer care for the pup I place, the puppy per my contract comes back to me NOT another home!
I pray a resolution comes for what is in the best interest of the pup!

Donna Bird

The sad truth is, the OP started not one but 3 threads defaming an ethical and responsible breeder without sending all information to the breeder. Whether the breeder asked for records or not, it is up to the new puppy parent to supply the breeder of the veterinarians findings. Without this, the breeder has no way of knowing how to proceed. If this was a first time breeding of this pair, all of the OP's accusations may be justified to an extent however, in past breedings, 9 offspring, this is the first and only complaint. This puppy has only been diagnosed from a vet who has never seen this before. The puppy has not been SEEN by some one who specializes in this area. Even though, another request has been made, it is my understanding still, at this time the records have not been sent.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Exactly where is the trashing of the OP? I didn't even disagree with the OP...reread.

I have seen many of the same people here say the opposite...return the pup etc....merely an observation on my part.

I've only the word of the OP regarding a seemingly Reputable breeder. I've seen nothing other than her word, though I didn't say it was untrue so not sure what your alluding to?

The only facts that I can ascertain are that the OP met the breeder, chose a seemingly healthy pup, at some point the pup became ill, the OP decided to keep the pup and a breakdown in communication ensued between the parties. The contract was specific as to what was to be done, it wasn't done in this situation, OP admits this here and thus far there is no resolve.

My opinion, (set aside my own sincere sympathy for OP, OP's husband and this poor sick pup), is that this was a very sad and unfortunate occurrence that regardless of what the parties agree or disagree on there is still a sick pup. I don't believe that OP would have chosen a sick pup had the pup presented ill upon the selection? Nor do I believe that this "reputable" breeder would have sold the OP a sick pup, intentionally.

I do think that at this point the breeder needs to live up to her part in the contract. Obviously the pup is in good hands and the OP is taking good care of the pup that she has chosen to keep just as I did with Mini.

In the end all that matters is this pup gets well. I wish OP(s) the best and I sincerely hope this pup gets well soon.

Trashing? not at all, just my opinions.

OP please keep us posted on the outcome involving the breeder, I am anxious to see what she eventually decides to do. I also hope that you get well soon.

I don't see where you have trashed my wife either. Everyone has a right to post their opinions. So, I will try to give you some background. And I promise you, that was never my wife's intent when she wrote the review. She sincerely wanted to spare anyone going through what we are going through.

Sheila spoke with the breeder at great length, on the morning of August
26th. I sat with her, and I could hear both sides of the conversation.

Sheila told her about losing her little Kia so suddenly, and how she had been in such deep grief, that she didn't leave her bedroom for 3 months. (She didn't leave the house for 6 months, except to go to the doctor or hospital for tests.) She told her how her MS had progressed over the stress of losing Kia. (It also progressed when we lost Sydney, but with Kia it was even harder, because her death was sudden, and unneccesary. She died in Sheila's hands.)

She told the breeder that gustos mom looked so much like our Sydney, whom we lost exactly two years to the date, that we lost Kia. The picture of gustos mom was the reason Sheila agreed to go look at the puppies.

The breeder was extremely sympathetic and promised Sheila that her puppy would have a thorough Vet exam. At the time, they were talking about two tiny females, in Maxwells litter.

We made two trips to see the puppies. the 1st one was when they were 12 weeks old. They were in an x-pen in the office of the breeders boarding kennel and huddled together in a corner. The breeder explained that they had never been in the office before, but she had remodeling going on in her house.

I helped Sheila step over the x-pen, and she tried to coax the puppies to her. She didn't want to frighten them further. Finally, at one point, she picked up the tiny male, and he cuddled against her chest. His eyes were half open, so we just figured they were very sleepy.

OK-fast forward. We made the 2nd trip down to get Maxwell on 9/25, we spent the night in a hotel and went to the breeders the next day. The tiny female decided she wanted to play. And Sheila had a hard time choosing between her and Maxwell. I commented that I liked Maxwell's short muzzle.

When we got home, Sheila e-mailed the breeder and said we couldn't get a Vet appt. until Tuesday, Oct 1st. Breeder said that was fine.

The next day, 9/27, we saw green pus in Maxwell's left eye. We kept it clean with Collyrium.

After his 1st Vet appt. on Oct. 1st, Sheila e-mailed the breeder and told her that he had yeast infections in both ears, and a bacterial infection in his left eye, and the Vet had done a Schirmer tear test, and the score was very low. And she was consulting with an Ophthalmologist.

Breeder replied that yeast infections are common due to all the hair. (Well, none of our girls ever had them.)

She said she was so sorry, she didn't know anything was wrong with his eye.

Next day, I took a stool sample to the Vet and he was diagnosed with Giardia. Sheila e-mailed the breeder and told her, and she said she had no idea, and would notify the other puppy owners.

I took Maxwell back to the Vet on Oct. 8th-Vet did the 2nd Schirmer tear test, score was still very low.

She had consulted with the Ophthalmologist and she said Yorkies are the poster child for Lacrimal Gland Aplasia but she had never seen it in a puppy this young.

Sheila e-mailed the breeder immediately.

We treated the bacterial infection and the yeast infections, and the Giardia. Once the bacterial infection was gone, the Vet had us treat his left eye with Tacrolimus drops.

She explained to Sheila yesterday, what prompted her to do the 1st Schirmer tear test-she said Maxwell's left eye was very dry. It was Sheila's
1st time attending a Vet visit but she wanted to ask very specific questions.

Of course, the visit landed her in bed for the rest of the day and evening, but she felt she needed to hear things, first hand.

The breeder did offer to take Maxwell back, and give us the tiny female, but we were hesitant to take another puppy. And Sheila really wanted to believe that the breeder didn't know about Maxwell's eye. (His left eye is smaller than his right.)

And we were already spending a great deal of money treating Maxwell.

I realize, that all you have is Sheila's and my word in regards to Maxwell's health issues, but, we have absolutely no reason to make these things up.

A friend of the breeders has posted that we have given the breeder no proof, but with the number of e-mails they exchanged, and I exchanged with the breeder, she never asked her for medical records, until today.

The only resolution the breeder has offered is another puppy.

Were we ignorant in trusting the breeders word, and signing the contract?
In retrospect, absolutely!

Speaking of my wife, I need to fix her some dry toast.

Rich

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by bjh

Sending prayers for Max and Sheila. I pray both feel better soon.

Thank you.

Rich

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I think mistakes were made on both sides, starting with the decision to get a high maintenance tiny pup when one's own health needs to be the priority. I understand the need for emotional support, I understand loss~ I just think a puppy is too much right now. It sounds like giving him back and hoping for financial resolve is the best option. The breeder can't pay you until you can change ownership which was made difficult by your early registration. There are no winners here but I wish everyone (including the breeder) peace.

Sheila managed her tiny Kia in full coat. And when she couldn't bathe her, I bathed and groomed her.

Everyone, including myself, felt another puppy would be good for her.

Breeder is only offering another puppy, and that's no an option.

Rich

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I couldn't have said it better myself! Nothing against the OP or breeder but personally, I myself, probably would have not or wouldn't place a puppy into a home when the puppy buyer is ill and not expected to live the length of the puppy's life unless of course it was unexpected! Also, if the puppy buyer can no longer care for the pup I place, the puppy per my contract comes back to me NOT another home!
I pray a resolution comes for what is in the best interest of the pup!

Donna Bird

Donna,

Sheila's MS is not going to cost her, her life, just yet. As for her surgery, after the 1st of the year, the G.I. Doc advised us to have a Living Trust & DNR in place, as a precautionary measure.

It doesn't mean she is going to die. Only God knows when He is going to call her Home.

I'm not sure where anyone got the idea that Sheila is definitely going to die.

Per the contract, the breeder has 1st right of refusal. She only wants to replace him with another puppy.

As far as I'm concerned, Maxwell is staying here. He has a great Vet, and we have access to Purdue in West LaFayette.

And although right now, Sheila can't get down on the floor and play with him-he loves playing on her bed.

He adores her!

Rich

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I will never understand how people can say just return the pup after even just 30 minutes with Callie I would have never been able to do that. I think maybe it is easier for breeders to say that because they have to say goodbye to all of there pups but for a normal person it is not that easy. I fact in some cases I would say impossible. Having the pup for even two days is different this pup has been part of there family for over a month!

Sheila and I feel the same way. She fell in love with Sydney, the moment she laid eyes on her. She loved our little Kia, just talking with Susan Harasim, before she ever saw her.

We had seen Kia's Sire at a dog show, and Sheila fell in love with him.

And with our 1st Yorkie, Tiffany-Sheila was friends with the Show breeder and she was able to see Tiff 2-3 days a week, for the 1st 12 weeks of her life.

So, when Tiffany came home, she knew Sheila was "Mama".

Rich

[JuliannaB]

I sure hope that ALL of this gets resolved soon... for everyone involved; especially Max, and that he continues to get the medical attention he so needs/deserves, and that he is on his way back to being totally healthy. I find it hard just reading the back and forth and can feel all the stress building with each post. Surely no one needs this extra stress!! I do realize that I don't have to read them, but am in the hopes of a positive outcome. Hugs all around.