Judy Marksbury- Show Breeder

[maggiesmom_2007]

Easy solution to this entire situation. Judy refunds the cost you paid for the pup, the pup goes back to Judy. If documentation is provided the vet costs are reimbursed.

[dottiesyrky]

Not so easy……..only pup exchange not cash refund in contract, and Sheila is bonded to the pup and does not want to hand him back. Would you hand a pup back? Only vet refund offered for minor vet bill, not the big eye issue.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

Not so easy……..only pup exchange not cash refund in contract, and Sheila is bonded to the pup and does not want to hand him back. Would you hand a pup back? Only vet refund offered for minor vet bill, not the big eye issue.

The big eye issue isn't covered as part of the warranty because its not life threatening. Legally, there doesn't seem to be much to stand on.

[dottiesyrky]

I agree, I was just responding the the OP's suggestion and what was possible to do via strict contract.

[maggiesmom_2007]

for all parties involved this would be the best option in my opinion. Yes I would give the pup back if it was exacerbating my illness. I have read the entire thread and as an outsider to the situation it is a he said she said argument. I think both parties involved need to communicate and do what is in the best interest of this pup. without all the name calling and illness issues of the persons not the pup involved. The main thing here is the pups well being. I do not believe this pup would suffer if he went back to the breeder. This is my opinion and I am not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do. For some that have questioned the replacement pup in contracts, there is no set in stone clause that says that has to be done. It is put there as an option. In my opinion the biggest problem here is communication.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

As someone who lives with cancer and auto immune diseases I deal with as a result, I began questioning you and your motives when you began blaming Judy for a progression of your disease. I saw the email your husband sent about wanting the paperwork in place... I am appalled. As I stated before emotional blackmail. You played on Judy's sympathy and feeling for you to get her to give you Max's registration before the neuter. What does his registration have to do with his care once you are gone? I have made arrangements for all of mine and guess what, they are still in my name! Also, Judy is listed as getting my imports!

"Do you really think I would risk my soul, posting lies????"....and yet you have.

Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

for all parties involved this would be the best option in my opinion. Yes I would give the pup back if it was exacerbating my illness. I have read the entire thread and as an outsider to the situation it is a he said she said argument. I think both parties involved need to communicate and do what is in the best interest of this pup. without all the name calling and illness issues of the persons not the pup involved. The main thing here is the pups well being. I do not believe this pup would suffer if he went back to the breeder. This is my opinion and I am not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do. For some that have questioned the replacement pup in contracts, there is no set in stone clause that says that has to be done. It is put there as an option. In my opinion the biggest problem here is communication.

You are right. I apologize. My last post was not appropriate. There as something's I am very passionate about.

[yorkiefan_]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

Personally, I would buy back the puppy, AND likely reimburse the vet fees AFTER confirming the conditions treated indeed existed. I don't like the "you keep the puppy and get your money back" system as too much temptation for fraud.

Have you ever had someone try to con you on that? Sad world if so.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

You are taking the word of the OP. Have you seen proof of the issues being alleged? I'm not saying that even though we work hard to breed a litter free of health issues, something can't happen. I, personally, want to have the vet reports before I can take any action. When you confront a breeder with this you provide documents.
I have personally known this breeder for years. How do you know the OP? From YT? How can you be involved in ruining a good persons reputation when you don't know either side personally?

HMMM then I guess your breeder also, and maybe, possibly involved with this??
Makes me wonder with some of your statements.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

HMMM then I guess your breeder also, and maybe, possibly involved with this??
Makes me wonder with some of your statements.

I am a breeder/owner-handler. None of my lines are related to the Yorkshire terriers involved.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

I am a breeder/owner-handler. None of my lines are related to the Yorkshire terriers involved.

I understand that you are a friend of this breeder and a fellow show breeder so maybe you wouldn't mind answering a question for me. If you had a pup you sold show up with this disease would you breed that same pair again? Also would you try and help the purchaser of one of those pups out by giving them a pup from a different litter if you were not willing to refund the purchase price or pay for the vet bills up to the price of the pup? It seems lots of very reputable breeders have those things in their contracts although yes I am aware that Judy does not. Just wanted to know your honest opinion on this seperate from this actual situation as a breeder yourself. Thanks.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I understand that you are a friend of this breeder and a fellow show breeder so maybe you wouldn't mind answering a question for me. If you had a pup you sold show up with this disease would you breed that same pair again? Also would you try and help the purchaser of one of those pups out by giving them a pup from a different litter if you were not willing to refund the purchase price or pay for the vet bills up to the price of the pup? It seems lots of very reputable breeders have those things in their contracts although yes I am aware that Judy does not. Just wanted to know your honest opinion on this seperate from this actual situation as a breeder yourself. Thanks.

Talk about loaded questions.

I have yet to see a breeder, show or not, who warrants against ANY defect. If you know of some, I think it would be awesome to post their names on YT so that potential buyers can know that they are only buying a 100% guaranteed perfect dog.

And since this particular condition can be easily diagnosed with a simple eye test, it would seem that providing a puppy from another litter "just in case" this proves to be genetic would only be necessary if the puppy was going to be used in a breeding program.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Talk about loaded questions.

I have yet to see a breeder, show or not, who warrants against ANY defect. If you know of some, I think it would be awesome to post their names on YT so that potential buyers can know that they are only buying a 100% guaranteed perfect dog.

And since this particular condition can be easily diagnosed with a simple eye test, it would seem that providing a puppy from another litter "just in case" this proves to be genetic would only be necessary if the puppy was going to be used in a breeding program.

Excuse Me??? I was asking her an honest question. If you read this entire thread you will see several breeders who said they would step up and do the things I have mentioned. Is there a reason you seem to want me to argue with you? I don't understand why this seems to continually happen when we post on the same thread because I don't know you and have absolutely nothing against you. I do not understand why you would say this is a "loaded" question either.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

Excuse Me??? I was asking her an honest question. If you read this entire thread you will see several breeders who said they would step up and do the things I have mentioned. Is there a reason you seem to want me to argue with you? I don't understand why this seems to continually happen when we post on the same thread because I don't know you and have absolutely nothing against you. I do not understand why you would say this is a "loaded" question either.

It's a loaded question because you are attempting to put the poster in the position where her own answers may be used against her friend. Kind of low, IMO.

As for arguing with you, I didn't realize that you considered a dissenting opinion to be arguing. But I will refrain from replying to any of your posts in the future to avoid having you feel that way.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

It's a loaded question because you are attempting to put the poster in the position where her own answers may be used against her friend. Kind of low, IMO.

As for arguing with you, I didn't realize that you considered a dissenting opinion to be arguing. But I will refrain from replying to any of your posts in the future to avoid having you feel that way.

I am attempting no such thing. This will be my last response to you as you seem to take pleasure in twisting my words, and coming up with sinister reasons why I would ask a question so I will not hijack this thread by answering questions about my questions to another person here again. If you would like to discuss this through PM's I would be more than happy to. I am a very straightforward person and I do not need to attempt to do anything underhandedly. If I have a question I ask it outright just as I did with this breeder. I have no knowledge of either breeder and just like others here I state my opinion and ask questions. It is one way I was taught that you learn. Also dissenting opinions are fine but saying I was asking for that reason is accusation toward me.

[Dixies Mom]

To be quite honest, I do not know how you are expecting me to answer your question. I have my own procedures for my breeding program.