Oakgate Yorkshire Terrier Puppy Update

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

It's unbelievable to me that a reputable breeder would expect someone to take a defective puppy without reducing the price or covering the cost of the repairs herself. I also would have expected her to have contacted you immediately once the hernias were first found so you could be informed as soonas possible of this development and make appropriate decisions with that knowledge, particularly with your own medical condition. I have never heard of such a thing and though I haven't had that many Yorkies myself, I have done a lot of phone calling, going to meet breeders, see their dogs/living quarters and talked to an awful lot of other pet owners about their purchase situations and breeders. Never have I come across this one. It was responsible of you to post this information for anyone who might now or in the future consider dealing with this breeder. It is certainly something I would want to know about her. And whatever kind of dogs of she had, frankly I for one would not be dealing with her, knowing how she treated you. i'm sure sorry you've had your hopes and dreams for life with this little one dashed. I hope and pray you find the dog you need and want very, very soon. Please keep us posted on your progress.

I have to say, I agree with you. This breeder has the top blood-lines; Rothby, Pastoral.

And she and I spoke on the phone, 2 days before my husband and I went to see the puppy, and she never mentioned that the puppy had two inguinal hernias. We talked about her quite a bit, because I explained to her that I am looking for a very outgoing, playful Yorkie, and a short muzzle, tiny ear set, etc.

If she had told me on the phone, that the puppy had hernias, I don't believe I'd have gone to see her.

In 31 years, I have had 3 Yorkies, and each of my girls has come from a reputable Show breeder.

One breeder actually changed her health guarantee, when I commented that I could never give a puppy back, if the puppy got sick. She changed it to my being allowed to keep the puppy, if I wanted, and she would help me with any medical bills.

Now, that's what I consider a breeder that truly cares about the puppies she brings into this world.

Unfortunately for me, she retired.

I felt that anyone would want to know, if they were going to contact her, based on my 1st review.

Thank you for understanding the intent of my post. It means a lot to me.

[ironmike86]

I agree a good breeder will help with co$t. I had a pup once and did a fecal and it had worms. They offered to pay for the medicine and fecal exam. But I declined because the pup was 6mo old and like to eat cat pies. Dogs are dogs.And it wasn't genetic. But it was nice offer. Well at least she said they had something wrong

[barkleylove]

Kathy Weems was one of the breeders that I contacted recently when I started my search for a new yorkie. I never spoke to her, just through e-mail. That was over a month ago. She said she charged $2000.00 for her yorkie pups. Do you think she reduced the price of your puppy to compensate for the cost of hernia surgery? I don't know why she wouldn't have told you that up front, though. I chose to go with Brenda Green for my new yorkie pups. I feel confident that I will be getting two healthy and well socialized puppies. Good luck to you on finding that perfect little baby girl. I hope it happens soon.

[Lorraine]

Could be the price was reduced. Prices will vary a bit depending on where you are and most show breeders do not want to undercut people in their area for a pet puppy unless there is something that they have reduced the price.
Most pet puppies from a show breeder will usually be $1500-$2000 mostly depending where you are.
My area of western Canada we charge $1500 for a pet. But I tell the buyer from the start and if there is a reason I am selling for less, I tell them that too and what the usual price is so there is no misunderstandings.

[yorkietalkjilly]

If she reduced the price due to a medical problem with the dog, the prospective buyer certainly should have been told that at the same time the breeder issued any price quote. But to just not mention it until you were actually there on premises, when she knew you would see it during your own inspection, to me is something just not done by a reputable breeder. I wouldn't go look at a puppy with a hernia, let alone two, and would certainly be very angry if I'd traveled to a breeder's home and then be told about a medical problem with the puppy.

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

If she reduced the price due to a medical problem with the dog, the prospective buyer certainly should have been told that at the same time the breeder issued any price quote. But to just not mention it until you were actually there on premises, when she knew you would see it during your own inspection, to me is something just not done by a reputable breeder. I wouldn't go look at a puppy with a hernia, let alone two, and would certainly be very angry if I'd traveled to a breeder's home and then be told about a medical problem with the puppy.

IMHO a reputable breeder would NOT keep breeding a pair that is producing inguinal hernias.... and she is planning on another litter with the mom
before retiring her ???

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

I agree a good breeder will help with co. I had a pup once and did a fecal and it had worms. They offered to pay for the medicine and fecal exam. But I declined because the pup was 6mo old and like to eat cat pies. Dogs are dogs.And it wasn't genetic. But it was nice offer. Well at least she said they had something wrong

This is a congenital defect...the breeder's contract covers ( a replacement pup for) this...I'm confused about the breeders entire train of thought here personally.

So am I right, this breeder despite a reputation of high standing has had this issue in at least one pup before and is still breeding the parents?

Is this situation not unusual?

Is the issue so rare not breeding is not an issue?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Micah my love

IMHO a reputable breeder would NOT keep breeding a pair that is producing inguinal hernias.... and she is planning on another litter with the mom
before retiring her ???

Are hernias in puppies always due to an inherited weakness? Shows you what I know. That's a true shame if they are and the pair that passed that trait along will be bred again.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

This is a congenital defect...the breeder's contract covers ( a replacement pup for) this...I'm confused about the breeders entire train of thought here personally.

So am I right, this breeder despite a reputation of high standing has had this issue in at least one pup before and is still breeding the parents?

Is this situation not unusual?

Is the issue so rare not breeding is not an issue?

No I was merely pointing out a good breeder will help with Vet bills. Congental defects are part of the Warranty . So that is there guarantee they are suppose to keep. I was pointing out I bought a dog and the breeder was willing to help with worm meds Not part of there warrenty. Thats a good breeder imo.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

I agree a good breeder will help with co. I had a pup once and did a fecal and it had worms. They offered to pay for the medicine and fecal exam. But I declined because the pup was 6mo old and like to eat cat pies. Dogs are dogs.And it wasn't genetic. But it was nice offer. Well at least she said they had something wrong

I think that was very responsible on your breeders part to offer to pay for the medicine and the fecal exam, and very honest on your part to decline considering the pup liked to eat cat pies.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

No I was merely pointing out a good breeder will help with Vet bills. Congental defects are part of the Warranty . So that is there guarantee they are suppose to keep. I was pointing out I bought a dog and the breeder was willing to help with worm meds Not part of there warrenty. Thats a good breeder imo.

LoL I quoted you because I was agreeing with you.

Most breeders don't cover paracutes though tbh.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by barkleylove

Kathy Weems was one of the breeders that I contacted recently when I started my search for a new yorkie. I never spoke to her, just through e-mail. That was over a month ago. She said she charged $2000.00 for her yorkie pups. Do you think she reduced the price of your puppy to compensate for the cost of hernia surgery? I don't know why she wouldn't have told you that up front, though. I chose to go with Brenda Green for my new yorkie pups. I feel confident that I will be getting two healthy and well socialized puppies. Good luck to you on finding that perfect little baby girl. I hope it happens soon.

I don't know if she reduced the price due to the puppy having two inguinal hernias.

She never told me when we spoke on the phone, that the puppy had them.

She said, "My puppies ar $1,800.00".

She didn't say, "This particular puppy is $1,800.00".

Congratulations on getting two puppies from Breny!!!

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Could be the price was reduced. Prices will vary a bit depending on where you are and most show breeders do not want to undercut people in their area for a pet puppy unless there is something that they have reduced the price.
Most pet puppies from a show breeder will usually be $1500-$2000 mostly depending where you are.
My area of western Canada we charge $1500 for a pet. But I tell the buyer from the start and if there is a reason I am selling for less, I tell them that too and what the usual price is so there is no misunderstandings.

She never told me, when we spoke on the phone, 2 days before my husband and I went to see the puppy that she had two inguinal hernias.

She said, "My puppies are $1,800.00".

And when I e-mailed her, after my DH spoke with our Vet, and asked her if she was going to reduce the price of the puppy to cover the cost of the surgery, she said, "I am not going to reduce the price".

She didn't say, she had reduced the price, due to the puppy having inguinal hernias.

I have a great deal of respect for you, for telling a Buyer if there is a reason that you are reducing the price.

I would have greatly appreciated if she had told me about the hernias, when we spoke on the phone.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

If she reduced the price due to a medical problem with the dog, the prospective buyer certainly should have been told that at the same time the breeder issued any price quote. But to just not mention it until you were actually there on premises, when she knew you would see it during your own inspection, to me is something just not done by a reputable breeder. I wouldn't go look at a puppy with a hernia, let alone two, and would certainly be very angry if I'd traveled to a breeder's home and then be told about a medical problem with the puppy.

I agree-I would truly have appreciated it if she had told me on the phone, that the puppy had two inguinal hernias, because I don't believe I would have gone to see the puppy.

I will say, she did show the hernias to us, after we were there awhile.

Yes, I agree, I very disappointed that we made the trip, and she she didn't tell me about the hernias before hand, and and disappointed that she refused to cover the cost of the repair surgery.

But, my Mother (God rest her soul) always said, "Everything happens for a reason".

I guess, I just wasn't meant to get this particular puppy.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

This is a congenital defect...the breeder's contract covers ( a replacement pup for) this...I'm confused about the breeders entire train of thought here personally.

So am I right, this breeder despite a reputation of high standing has had this issue in at least one pup before and is still breeding the parents?

Is this situation not unusual?

Is the issue so rare not breeding is not an issue?

Yes, inguinal hernias are a congenital disorder, and the breeder told me on the phone, that her health guarantee covers genetic health issues for one year....so, I'm with you, confused about her train of thought.

I don't know if she had ever produced any other puppies with inguinal hernias, but I researched and read, that once your produce a puppy with inguinal hernias, you shouldn't breed the Dam again.