My Review of GREENS TREASURED YORKSHIRE TERRIERS - MICHIGAN

[Kamen]

Originally Posted by mynameisjake128

Marcerella02 - EXACTLY. You should be confused it doesn't make any sense does it? The breeding pair SHOULD have been tested before they were bred. They weren't though! This is what makes me sick!

My dog's dad is also the dad of brenda's upcoming litter. BUYERS BE WARNED!!

Also thanks so much for sending the link to the OFFICIAL OFA websites. This CLEARLY states that it's GENETIC!!!!! I have been trying to drive this message home, but some how certain people just don't get it! Also, every vet and specialist I've talked to have said it is genetic, too!

LCP is believed to be an inherited disease, although the mode of inheritance is not known. Because there is a genetic component, it is recommended that dogs affected with LCP not be used in breeding programs.

I gotta point out here how you totally contradicted yourself in this post. First off you stated that according to the link that was posted it "CLEARLY states that it's GENETIC!!!!!" yet at the end of your post you made a comment saying "LCP is believed to be an inherited disease, although the mode of inheritance is not known." So which is it? Is it scientifically PROVEN to be genetic or just BELIEVED to be? There is a HUGE difference there dude.

[mynameisjake128]

Originally Posted by Kamen

I also find it very odd and a bit shady of the OP to not provide Brenda with the vet documentation that states this is a genetic defect when she asked for it. To me it sets off a trigger that makes me feel like your vet was inconclusive and unable to prove it was genetic. You just wanted to gain an upper hand in your squabble with Brenda.

In response to Kamen and Missymiss: I understand that you guys are Brenda's Friends and are defending her on this. Totally fine and totally understandable.

However, You are clearly only hearing one side of the story. You have never spoken to me nor have you ever exchanged any emails with me.

1. Brenda never asked me for vet documents that state that the disease is genetic. We never asked our doctor to "write that this was genetic" on paper. However, she and all the specialists we have talked to have stated that this is genetic. I've asked my mom to ask the vet to "WRITE" this in paper so we can easily scan it and email to Brenda as proof. We will also have plenty of paper work after the surgery that we will happily send her.

2. I'm glad your experiences with brenda have been great. It's interesting though because I included my email address in my original post. I am getting private messages from others who have purchased Brenda's puppies and also seemed concerned by them. Looks like I'm not alone here. But I am standing by my best judgement and want to make anybody that is considering one of Brenda's puppies in the future to be aware of what I am going through, not just with the genetic disease, but also with the way we have been treated.

3. Brenda has not provided me any facts that state this disease is NOT genetic. I have also asked for her vets contact info. so I could call him/her and get his point of view on this. She has not provided me with this.

4. If this is not genetic, why is brenda offering to replace my puppy? Her story is confusing and inconsistent, not mine. Also, what would she do with my little puppy if she took him back? Fix him with surgery or put him down? If she fixed him with surgery the cost of replacing my puppy would be much more than paying for the surgery of my puppy. I've asked her this question numerous times, with no response. NONE.

5. In fact, I have asked her NUMEROUS questions and she brushed over all of them. She didn't know about the disease and the fact that Yorkshire Terriers are one of the most common breeds to get this. WHAT? EDUCATE YOURSELF ON YOUR BREED BEFORE YOU BRING SICK PUPPIES INTO THIS WORLD!

6. I have addressed and answered EVERY SINGLE QUESTION Brenda has asked me. I have just read through all of my email exchanges with her. I answered every question she had, and again, she ignored most of mine. Hmmm seems fishy?

7. Also about my comment that states: LCP is believed to be an inherited disease, although the mode of inheritance is not known. Because there is a genetic component, it is recommended that dogs affected with LCP not be used in breeding programs. What more info. do you want to prove this is GENETIC. Show me an article that says LCP is believed to be caused by injury and that will be an argument. Also please read the second sentence of the comment "BECAUSE THERE IS A GENETIC COMPONENT" Come on "dude" stop living your ignorant bliss!!

8. I'm sleeping well at night knowing that I'm doing the right thing here. Nobody deserves to go through what me and my family have been dealing with.

9. You are not in my shoes or not dealing with anything I am dealing with. Until you are, don't judge. You don't know me. I know Brenda and I know my puppy, I know the way he is treated, I know my vets, and I've educated myself about this disease. I know that there is no doubt that this has been caused by GENETICS! Get your facts straight.

10. Thanks for the concern for my puppy, when all is said and done, he's the only thing that matters out of all this mess. I'll keep you updated on his progress. Please keep him in your thoughts!

[mynameisjake128]

Originally Posted by Kamen

The fact of the matter is, in a court of law you have no case. You signed the contract that stated she was not responsible for any vet costs. You were aware of this and if you weren't then you only have yourself to blame for not reading it. I am not a lawyer here, but if this was taken to the courts Brenda may actually have a counter suit against you for slander. Just something for you to think about.

I just read the above quote, Kamen. First of all, I'm not interested in any form of law suite. That's not why I'm on here, and at this point it's gone way beyond money. I am here to protect others from what I have gone through.

As I said before, I know I signed the contract. It's a matter of principle and ethics. Karma is a female dog! I think it's funny people on here think I'm just here to complain that I have to pay money to get my dog healthy again and that all I want is brenda to pay. Not true. I want everybody to be aware of my situation and make educated decisions when buying a puppy from any breeder.

Second, there is no slander case here because I am stating the truth about what happened in MY situation. Nothing I am stating here is false or untrue from what I have read and heard and about the disease and my experiences and exchanges with brenda over email. I have all of my emails that I have exchanged with her saved.

[mypreciouspups]

Wow this is twice this week I have seen threads trying to ruin first a good vendor.. and next breny... I am sure breny will work with you.. If she has not at this time... it is obvious that you have not sent paperwork from a reputible vet to breny...
I personally think you should have done this.. and exhausted all other ways to come to an agreement..too many people try to ruin a good person on a large forum..did you ever think she did not know about legg perthes due to the fact she has breed for how long and has not had a problem..
You bet best is to get her the information first...
Being a breeder is not easy, not at all.. we spent or at least I do all my time working on doing the best of improving my program.. but with have yorkies for over 20 years.. I have ben badly taken by what many call one of the best show breeders... she called me an idiot.. when she had given me papers she siad she doctored so I would have no problems getting into the states.. but that the shots were given and all was good.. this dog go parvo... yet she called me the idiot..
I made a thread once about a breeder... but I had the proof of her just being vindictive to me for silly reasons..and I did not post until I put up with nothing but harrassment and crap for one year before I did.. the key is I had the proof... proof is something breny needs before she will continue to talk to you....so get that done..... breny needs this,,

anne

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Please do not assume that by getting a replacement puppy you would always have to return the 1st pup.
I realize some breeders would only replace the puppy after the original was returned. I am not one of them.
Also...never sign a contract if you do not understand or agree with the conditions of the guarantee. Simple as that.

Good for you KP. I am having issues with this right now with someone

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

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Very well said. The facts are not being fairly presented here...and I for one think it should not be allowed to continue.

It is my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong OP) that he does not live with the dog, nor does he live in the same state as the dog. He purchased the dog and then gave it to a relative as a gift.
Nothing wrong with that. However, NOT one bit of info from the relative who actually owns and lives with the puppy...nor the vet diagnosing and treating the puppy has been sent to Brenda thus far. No xrays, no official diagnosis...nothing. Just his word that it is so.
As the above quoted poster said...start sending her facts. She needs to talk personally with the vet's treating the puppy and see if they believe this was indeed inherited or if there are signs of any old or new trauma that could have caused this. Only then can the breeder make a sound decision on what she may be liable for.

Well, the fact that he did give the dog to someone, even a relative, would have voided most contract. You must be the original owner of the dog. I am glad you brought this to light.
in truth, if this is in her contract, she doesn't have to do anything unless she wants to out of the goodness of her heart.

[mynameisjake128]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Well, the fact that he did give the dog to someone, even a relative, would have voided most contract. You must be the original owner of the dog. I am glad you brought this to light.
in truth, if this is in her contract, she doesn't have to do anything unless she wants to out of the goodness of her heart.

Brenda knew I was buying this puppy for my mother. I didn't buy this dog for me and then give it to somebody else after I bought it.

AND MY POINT HERE IS TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THIS SITUATION so they can protect themselves from this happening to them in the FUTURE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY PEOPLE!!!!

GOSH...IS MONEY ALL YOU BREEDERS THINK ABOUT???

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by mynameisjake128

Brenda knew I was buying this puppy for my mother. I didn't buy this dog for me and then give it to somebody else after I bought it.

AND MY POINT HERE IS TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THIS SITUATION so they can protect themselves from this happening to them in the FUTURE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY PEOPLE!!!!

GOSH...IS MONEY ALL YOU BREEDERS THINK ABOUT???

What you fail to realize is that you are hurting Breny very little and most people that are aware of her and her breeding program are not going to have their minds changed by you (or anyone else). They don't need to be "protected". breny is an ethical, caring breeder and she will end up doing the right. As far as breeders only thinking about money. Yeah we do think about it but that is about all. We don't see much of it.

[mynameisjake128]

[QUOTE=Sugar's Mom;2547518]What you fail to realize is that you are hurting Breny very little and most people that are aware of her and her breeding program are not going to have their minds changed by you (or anyone else)/QUOTE]

I am simply stating my situation so others out there are aware. If they read this and all other information about Brenda and still choose to buy her puppies, that's totally fine with me. I think people deserve to get as much info. as possible about a breeder before they make a decision.

Again, never any intention to hurt anybody. I am just providing info. that needs to be public.

[Sugar's Mom]

[quote=mynameisjake128;2547530]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

What you fail to realize is that you are hurting Breny very little and most people that are aware of her and her breeding program are not going to have their minds changed by you (or anyone else)/QUOTE]

I am simply stating my situation so others out there are aware. If they read this and all other information about Brenda and still choose to buy her puppies, that's totally fine with me. I think people deserve to get as much info. as possible about a breeder before they make a decision.

Again, never any intention to hurt anybody. I am just providing info. that needs to be public.

Well, I truly am sorry that you AND Breny are going thru this and I feel sure, she being the kind of breeder she is will try to work with you to fix it. When something like this happens, it hits a breeder hard. Especially the good ones that try to maintain integrity. Sometimes it takes a few days to figure things out. Good luck to you.

[mypreciouspups]

[quote=mynameisjake128;2547530]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

What you fail to realize is that you are hurting Breny very little and most people that are aware of her and her breeding program are not going to have their minds changed by you (or anyone else)/QUOTE]

I am simply stating my situation so others out there are aware. If they read this and all other information about Brenda and still choose to buy her puppies, that's totally fine with me. I think people deserve to get as much info. as possible about a breeder before they make a decision.

Again, never any intention to hurt anybody. I am just providing info. that needs to be public.

IMO you certainly are trying very hard to hurt her.. I think that things should be worked out between the two people before coming on public and doing this to any good breeder.. my good heavens not matter how we try.. it is always easy to find something in a breeding program like this.. I am sure breny is going to retire the parents.. anne

[MyFairLacy]

I feel like some of you are being very unfair to the buyer. I don't think they are trying to attack brenda for no reason. They paid $1300 and expected to get a healthy puppy. Instead they have one with a major genetic disease that requires expensive surgery. Put yourself in the buyers shoes. Wouldn't you be upset? And it is important that owners of puppies with one or both parents be aware of LCP in case their puppy starts to show signs.

I want to be fair to brenda too. Yes she needs to be sent vet record and yes she may need a little time to absorb this and think. Like I said - one unhealthy puppy doesn't automatically make her a bad breeder. It's going to be in how she handles it. She may have done all she can to produce healthy puppies - but this has happened and she's going to have to step up and be responsible. I think the puppy and buyer deserve that, and I thnk a loving breeder would want to help.

Just remember that the buyer does have a right to share their experience. I'm sure brenda is very upset for various reasons, but she is not being unfairly reviewed. I think most have been very fair to her and have said they know health issues can arrise even if a breeder health screens. I know she's under no legal obligation to help because of the contract she has. I've already said I don't agree with that type of guarantee but the buyer did agree when they bought the puppy. I guess I'm hoping she will be there for the buyer and puppy anyway and most importantly research and know LCP is known to be genetic and to no longer breed the parents. She has the opportunity to do the right thing and continue her good reputation.

[luvfla]

"AND MY POINT HERE IS TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THIS SITUATION so they can protect themselves from this happening to them in the FUTURE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY PEOPLE!!!!"

I guess some of us misunderstood....I thought you wanted Breny to pay for the surgery. If that is the case...point taken...now we can move on.

[Missiemiss]

Originally Posted by mynameisjake128

In response to Kamen and Missymiss: I understand that you guys are Brenda's Friends and are defending her on this. Totally fine and totally understandable.

However, You are clearly only hearing one side of the story. You have never spoken to me nor have you ever exchanged any emails with me.

1. Brenda never asked me for vet documents that state that the disease is genetic. We never asked our doctor to "write that this was genetic" on paper. However, she and all the specialists we have talked to have stated that this is genetic. I've asked my mom to ask the vet to "WRITE" this in paper so we can easily scan it and email to Brenda as proof. We will also have plenty of paper work after the surgery that we will happily send her.

2. I'm glad your experiences with brenda have been great. It's interesting though because I included my email address in my original post. I am getting private messages from others who have purchased Brenda's puppies and also seemed concerned by them. Looks like I'm not alone here. But I am standing by my best judgement and want to make anybody that is considering one of Brenda's puppies in the future to be aware of what I am going through, not just with the genetic disease, but also with the way we have been treated.

3. Brenda has not provided me any facts that state this disease is NOT genetic. I have also asked for her vets contact info. so I could call him/her and get his point of view on this. She has not provided me with this.

4. If this is not genetic, why is brenda offering to replace my puppy? Her story is confusing and inconsistent, not mine. Also, what would she do with my little puppy if she took him back? Fix him with surgery or put him down? If she fixed him with surgery the cost of replacing my puppy would be much more than paying for the surgery of my puppy. I've asked her this question numerous times, with no response. NONE.

5. In fact, I have asked her NUMEROUS questions and she brushed over all of them. She didn't know about the disease and the fact that Yorkshire Terriers are one of the most common breeds to get this. WHAT? EDUCATE YOURSELF ON YOUR BREED BEFORE YOU BRING SICK PUPPIES INTO THIS WORLD!

6. I have addressed and answered EVERY SINGLE QUESTION Brenda has asked me. I have just read through all of my email exchanges with her. I answered every question she had, and again, she ignored most of mine. Hmmm seems fishy?

7. Also about my comment that states: LCP is believed to be an inherited disease, although the mode of inheritance is not known. Because there is a genetic component, it is recommended that dogs affected with LCP not be used in breeding programs. What more info. do you want to prove this is GENETIC. Show me an article that says LCP is believed to be caused by injury and that will be an argument. Also please read the second sentence of the comment "BECAUSE THERE IS A GENETIC COMPONENT" Come on "dude" stop living your ignorant bliss!!

8. I'm sleeping well at night knowing that I'm doing the right thing here. Nobody deserves to go through what me and my family have been dealing with.

9. You are not in my shoes or not dealing with anything I am dealing with. Until you are, don't judge. You don't know me. I know Brenda and I know my puppy, I know the way he is treated, I know my vets, and I've educated myself about this disease. I know that there is no doubt that this has been caused by GENETICS! Get your facts straight.

10. Thanks for the concern for my puppy, when all is said and done, he's the only thing that matters out of all this mess. I'll keep you updated on his progress. Please keep him in your thoughts!

Again - an assumption - I am neither friend or foe with Brenda nor you - I was merely pointing out the facts. I know you are emotionally over this as anyone would be. Just try to stick with the facts and keep the facts straight as that will be the most important thing here.

[Breny]

I just wanted to say that I am working to settle this with Jacob. I am willing to to above and beyond the contract HE SIGNED.

I am still in need of receiving his Vets notes and Xrays stating they feel this is genetic and not from any type of possible injury.

My main concern is for the puppy at hand, not money.

I have read some very untrue things here but I am still wiling to work this out with the buyer.

People know me. I AM ethical and will do what is right.