My Review of GREENS TREASURED YORKSHIRE TERRIERS - MICHIGAN

[Missiemiss]

Bottom line - you signed the contract that you both agreed to. At that time you signed it you understood (assumption) all of the possibilities.

It could be genetic
It could have been trauma

If the contract says that you have the burden of proof on you then get to work to get it. Otherwise, you were of sound mind when you signed that contract. No one forced your hand or held a gun.

This is about accountability. In the mean time - love that baby up! Your baby deserves that!

We don't need to drag people (yet ANOTHER thread) through the slanderous activity. Get your facts and present them to Breny. You honor your side of the contract, she honors hers. Leave the slams, name-calling and other stuff out of this forum. It's childish. I know it is very emotional for you but keep to the facts.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

I am sorry about your puppy. I know Brenda and don't think this makes her a bad breeder. I think whats important is how this is handled so both parties feel it was handled fairly.

Perhaps she can offer to refund the purchase price of the puppy to go towards the surgery. She can also allow you to keep your precious pet and send you a replacement puppy to make this right. Whats important here is to handle this properly and honestly and fairly. You need to send vet proof of this before trying to ruin a breeder to be fair imo. This should be handled between the both of you imo properly before taking this public. I truely believe Brenda will do whats right and make sure this is handled correctly. I wish you the best and do hope it is all worked out between you both.

deb, I agree with you. breeders can have things pop up sometimes. If you haven't, you are lucky. Doesn't mean it is a bad breeder. It is how the situation is handled by the breeder that makes the difference. To the OP, I am sorry you are going thru tis but I believe Breny will be fair to you. if you haven't provided medical records to Breny, you need to do so rather than expect her to just take your word for it. Then she can see for herself and even have her own vet go over the testing that was done to arrive at this conclusion.

[luvfla]

My Clarence has a CT & weak knees BUT I would NEVER have even thought about calling out the breeder....I KNEW this could be his destiny. If you KNOW anything about this breed...ALOT of the issues are laid out ahead of time....the yorkie was bred DOWN from their original size....that cannot be a great thing.

[journey826]

This is upsetting to me to hear people talk about keeping this between themselves.I feel the public has a right to know.What if it were you buying from her.This is so unfair and I hope anyone who has bought a yorkie or any animal for that matter have freedom to speak good or bad about their experiences.


Someone said problems could pop up in the best of lines,what distinguishes a good breeder from all the rest is how the situation is handled.


Personally I don't know Breny,but when I came here she was helpful and kind to me about a dog I got from a breeder who was over bred and in terrible shape.I will always be indebted to her for this kindness.It will however not stop me from being honest about my opinion on this.

I would not have a problem buying from Breny providing this situation is handled with the utmost professionalism and care.My decision would be based on how the breeder handles a problem, not that this breeders line is perfect and will never have a problem,THAT is unrealistic.

If she handled the situation like another member recently then heck no I would not go near her with a ten foot pole and would want it screamed from the roof tops so others wouldn't go through the h*** that other family is.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Missiemiss

Bottom line - you signed the contract that you both agreed to. At that time you signed it you understood (assumption) all of the possibilities.

It could be genetic
It could have been trauma

If the contract says that you have the burden of proof on you then get to work to get it. Otherwise, you were of sound mind when you signed that contract. No one forced your hand or held a gun.

This is about accountability. In the mean time - love that baby up! Your baby deserves that!

We don't need to drag people (yet ANOTHER thread) through the slanderous activity. Get your facts and present them to Breny. You honor your side of the contract, she honors hers. Leave the slams, name-calling and other stuff out of this forum. It's childish. I know it is very emotional for you but keep to the facts.

Very well said. The facts are not being fairly presented here...and I for one think it should not be allowed to continue.

It is my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong OP) that he does not live with the dog, nor does he live in the same state as the dog. He purchased the dog and then gave it to a relative as a gift.
Nothing wrong with that. However, NOT one bit of info from the relative who actually owns and lives with the puppy...nor the vet diagnosing and treating the puppy has been sent to Brenda thus far. No xrays, no official diagnosis...nothing. Just his word that it is so.
As the above quoted poster said...start sending her facts. She needs to talk personally with the vet's treating the puppy and see if they believe this was indeed inherited or if there are signs of any old or new trauma that could have caused this. Only then can the breeder make a sound decision on what she may be liable for.

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by mynameisjake128

I am the OP. I tried to resolve this with Brenda without making it public.

She refused to do anything about this except take back my dog, which is not going to happen and she knows it.

I think this should be taken public because I do not want anybody to have to go what we have gone through. To be honest, I wish more people spoke out about this type of stuff. I wish someone would have warned me about this so I would have known. AND I consider myself to be VERY knowledgeable about dogs...I was even fooled and it makes me sooooo sad and upset!

I'm sorry your yorkie has this condition.....I hope everything works out for your pup.......

It's never a pleasant thing to do when you have to make a bad situation public.....I've always had a hard time with the comments addressing the fact when a person does this....They say to handle it in private but when you contact a breeder and they refuse to do anything when do you take it public and do your review??....

I've never spoken publicly about a yorkie I received with this same condition. The show/ breeder knew the condition existed and hid it from me. Sometimes I have regrets about not posting about it, I sometimes wonder how many others there are that where in my shoes with a dog in the same condition or worse........ I just didn't want the friends of this show/breeder to jump on me like they tend to do.....

Good luck and I hope things can be worked out for all of you.....

[Rosiegirl]

This is awful that you have to spend some money on your dog, but really, with a condition like this I don't think it is fair to be so vindictive about your misfortune. It is clear that you are angry, but life is fragile and these things can't always be foreseen. You should be responsible for your dog. If there is no way to test for this and it can also be caused by physical over-exursion, then you cannot truly come on here and try to ruin somones name because you want to blame something on someone that you can't prove was her fault. Yes, she bred the dogs but when you buy a dog it does become your responsibility. It is clear that she gave you a choice which is stated in your contract. You have rejected that, which you signed in agreement to, and also will not supply the medical records?!? What is the breeder supposed to do? How do you work with someone like that? I feel bad for the way you've brought this out publically without even sharing the information with her , that isn't the way to go about things. Good Luck getting anyone to work with you to solve any problem.

[dogbert]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

I have always thought the samething. Sounds good but very few,
if any buyer's would ever take advantage of it.

I did take advantage of this when I bought our first Bichon. I had him 13 days and to the vet several times in that period. It turned out he had a liver shunt and the prognosis was not good. The vet advised me to return him to the breeder. I did and she had to put the poor thing to sleep. The breeder offered me pick of the next litter or my money back. After 11 months it would be much harder to part with the dog, especially if it could be saved.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Missiemiss

Bottom line - you signed the contract that you both agreed to. At that time you signed it you understood (assumption) all of the possibilities.

It could be genetic
It could have been trauma
If the contract says that you have the burden of proof on you then get to work to get it. Otherwise, you were of sound mind when you signed that contract. No one forced your hand or held a gun.

This is about accountability. In the mean time - love that baby up! Your baby deserves that!

We don't need to drag people (yet ANOTHER thread) through the slanderous activity. Get your facts and present them to Breny. You honor your side of the contract, she honors hers. Leave the slams, name-calling and other stuff out of this forum. It's childish. I know it is very emotional for you but keep to the facts.

I think some of you are confusing Legg-Perthe's disease with LP, or Luxating Patella, which can be caused by genetics or trauma. Legg-Perthe is genetic.

Prevention of the disease is only possible through genetic means. Affected animals should not be bred. Breeding stock should have their hips X-rayed to insure that they are not affected with mild LPD, the symptoms of which went unnoticed during the dog's adolescence. Extreme caution should be used when considering breeding animals that have produced LPD, or have LPD affected littermates. SHOW DOG MAGAZINE, Leg Perthes in dodgs

I would like to see more breeders, offer to return the price of the dog, if the buyer can show proof of a genetic condition such as this. Can anyone link information that this this condition can be caused by trauma? I know lots of you are saying this, but that doesn't make it true. If a breeder is offering to exchange for a new puppy, why not just sell the puppy and give those funds to the buyer to offset the cost of treatment? This is a very serious disease and treatment is costly. If the breeder takes the dog back, what becomes of the dog? I would offer a full money replacement, and the option to keep the dog, or return it. Best of luck to the OP, I'm sorry this has happened to you, and I hope the breeder can resolve it in a way that satisfies you both.

[kalina82]

To the OP - i'm sorry you and your puppy are going through this. Luckily enough, after the surgery she will be as good as new again. A FHO is a common surgery performed by specialists (due to trauma or LCP disease) and has great results afterward.

I'm always thought Breny was a great person here on YT. Her dogs and puppies are adorable and she clearly loves them very very much. However I am glad the OP posted this about the puppy. Future puppy buyers have the right to know.

Side Note: New people come on YT looking for puppies. i was in that situation 3 years ago. I came on here looking for a yorkie and thought i had found a great breeder. Boy was I wrong. I later found out that others have had problems with my breeder but never said anything. I wish they did. I would never have purchased from the breeder i did.

I am not saying Breny is like the breeder i chose, because i know she is not. I'm just stating why i think its nice to read reviews of all kinds on breeders here on YT.

[neceedee]

I agree

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

I want to add that I feel any breeder can have issues that arise at one point or another. We can only strive for perfection however there is no 100% guarantee no matter how much we test and do to insure healthy puppies. Things can turn up when un-expected at any given time. What sets reputable breeders apart from non-reputable breeders is how a situation like this is handled. Please handle this properly and fairly before being so set out to ruin someone. Handle this privately first before ruinning a persons reputation un-necessarily is always best.

[Missiemiss]

[QUOTE=Nancy1999;2546757]I think some of you are confusing Legg-Perthe's disease with LP, or Luxating Patella, which can be caused by genetics or trauma. Legg-Perthe is genetic.



I was not referring to either - that was an assumption on your part. I am simply saying, GET FACTS straight and present them and honor the contract. No proof of anything has been provided at this point. It's important to do that for credibility of all.

[pea496]

I am so sorry your pup requires surgery. I know that surgery can be just as stressful for the "parents" as it is for the pup.

Good luck to you, and please keep us posted.

[blueskies]

Someone was asking for proof that it is or isn't genetic. I don't believe it has been proven one way or the other yet. Each article I found states this. Here are a few links:

Legg-Perthes

Legg-Calve-Perthes disease

The joy of breeding your own show dog - Google Book Search

VetInfo - Veterinary Medical Information for Dogs and Cats - L - Legg-Calve-Perthes Disease

[Kamen]

I am sorry to hear about your dog, but my experiences with Brenda have been nothing short of awesome. She is a great breeder who cares for her dogs and I am not just saying that because she is a friend. We bought Maverick from her well over a year ago and he is the best dog anyone could ever want. His personality is unlike any other I have ever seen.

The fact of the matter is, as many have already stated there is nothing that can prove that your dogs condition is genetic. I also find it very odd and a bit shady of the OP to not provide Brenda with the vet documentation that states this is a genetic defect when she asked for it. To me it sets off a trigger that makes me feel like your vet was inconclusive and unable to prove it was genetic. You just wanted to gain an upper hand in your squabble with Brenda.

Now I am not saying this is the truth, but like I said something on your end seems very off. I mean instead of complying with a simple request so Brenda could help rectify the situation, the OP decided to take this public and smear her name in the mud which I find to be pretty immature. Until you can prove without a shadow of a doubt this condition was genetic, you shouldn't be slandering someone.

The fact of the matter is, in a court of law you have no case. You signed the contract that stated she was not responsible for any vet costs. You were aware of this and if you weren't then you only have yourself to blame for not reading it. I am not a lawyer here, but if this was taken to the courts Brenda may actually have a counter suit against you for slander. Just something for you to think about.

Again I am sorry to hear about your dog and I wish for only the best.