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01-22-2006, 08:02 AM | #46 | |
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When I got Kia from Susan, I didn't realize she was breeding on such a large scale. No, I did not get to see Kia's sire and dam that day. I did see her sire in the show ring, a few years earlier. I didn't realize it was her practice not to show the sire and dam. I think I would be inclined to let Susan know that the co-breeder is on the USDA list. She may, or may not know about it. If you don't feel comfortable in calling her, just copy the list and mail it to her. Sometimes other breeders are deceptive. (Heres' an example. {Just to clarify, Sydney did not come from Stardust.}The owner of my Sydney's sire, and the owner of Sydney's dam, were doing some breeding. One day I was at the sire owners house and she said, "Sydneys mom is here today for breeding". I went over to the crate and said, "That is NOT Sydneys mom". It turned out, that the owner of Sydney's Dam was lying and saying the breeding didn't take, then, taking advantage of a free repeat breeding and using a different female. When the owner of Sydney's sire, confronted this other breeder, the woman said, "You gave me the wrong dog back when I had her groomed." If that was the case, why did she take the wrong dog?!) No, her tongue doesn't hang out. The over-bite is expensive. She needs an annual dental because her teeth don't line up when she chews, and she has to eat very tiny kibble. But, she's got the most darling little face ever! Re: the guarantee. When I got Kia, Susan told me that if there were any medical issues in the 1st year, she would either take her back and replace her, (to which I replied, "I'd never be able to give her up") and she said then we'd work it out where she would pay part of the medical bills. She did say that she would want to know about any genetic issues at any time. So, this is why I am so surprised that she was not concerned about Loki's L.P. Sheila | |
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01-22-2006, 08:20 AM | #47 | |
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I'm sorry about Kia's overbite. It's amazing how we can overlook things and just deal with them because we love them so much. But, I don't think the breeders should assume that we will. Whether or not that is the case here I think there is a responsibility to do their best not to let these things happen in the first place and to be upfront about them when they do. Susan was definately concerned when I said "Luxating Patella" but then when I said it was Grade 2 she was insistent that it was no big deal and all Yorkies have bad knees. I said that it IS a big deal. Then she started insisting that he injured it somehow, even though the vet said it's genetic. She didn't seem interested in discussing it further so I told her I would let her know if it gets worse. I just hope it doesn't.
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01-22-2006, 08:22 AM | #48 |
Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member | In my humble opinion - both LP AND Overbites are serious and not to be taken lightly - While most dogs who have mild cases can live perfectly normal lives ....I have a cocker spaniel that has such a severe underbite she had to be hand fed as a puppy. She literally could not grasp a piece of food. and even now at 10 years old - she rarely eats out of their food dish.... |
01-22-2006, 08:52 AM | #49 | |
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I have to tell you, from talking to other breeders, I don't believe "All Yorkies have bad knees". There are so many wonderful breeders, right here, on this forum, striving to produce the healthiest Yorkies. Since Susan doesn't have Internet access, I would send her the list. You never know, it might open her eyes to something. I'm sorry about Loki, and I hope his L.P. won't get worse. But I am glad you posted about him, because people need to be careful. Sheila | |
01-22-2006, 08:57 AM | #50 | |
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I'm sorry to hear that your Cocker spaniel has such a severe under-bite. Really unfair for her. Sheila | |
01-22-2006, 09:20 AM | #51 |
Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member | Thank you Sheila .... It's much easier now ...but when she was a baby I had to literally sit and feed her everyday by hand...and now she's THAT spoiled that I still do. She deserves it - they wanted to put her down because of the underbite..... I ran out of that place with her so fast - she was destined to be with me and even worse when these poor dogs have such severe LP that they need surgery - I would be so upset if I purchased a puppy and spent thousands of dollars....then found out my yorkie had LP...it DOES affect the quality of their life for sure....not to mention...we all hate seeing them in pain and LP can be very painful for dogs... I have a friend who's yorkie had surgery on both legs and can't imagine what that was like for both of them....then add the cost on top of it it's sad that this common problem can't be wiped out and be a thing of the past |
01-22-2006, 09:21 AM | #52 | |
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IMO....the "soundness" of the pup comes first and foremost....then you add all the "bells and whistles, i.e. nice coat, etc. A pup that possesses an even bite means he digests his food properly, and a compact body and straight topline, means his joints are in alignment. These are not qualities that are only for the priviledged Show Quality dog. This is all common sense....we need to take more responsibility when we purchase our pups. You know...in the "Horseshow World", it would be unheard of to ONLY trust the person selling you the horse. An unbiased outside vet or trusted professional would always come with to evaluate the horse. Why this is not done in the dogworld...I have no idea . For most people, this is a huge financial and emotional investment, whether for Show or Pet. Francie | |
01-22-2006, 09:30 AM | #53 | |
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Actually, though, Susan, requires that you take your puppy to the vet within 48 hours. However, things such as L.P. and and over-bite do not show up that soon in many cases. My Kia had a perfect bite at 12 weeks. Sheila | |
01-22-2006, 10:05 AM | #54 | |
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01-22-2006, 10:56 AM | #55 | |
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Villette, I really believe from reading so many of your posts, that you are truly one of the kindest, most compassionate members of this forum. God Bless you for taking that precious baby out of that place!!!! I do believe, that there are many good breeders, trying very hard to improve the health of the breed. So, hopefully, due to their efforts, things such as L.P. and bad bites, will be a thing of the past. Sheila | |
01-22-2006, 11:01 AM | #56 | |
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Yes, Kia had a perfect bite at 12 weeks, but any dogs bite can change as they grow up. Hers however, is very prominent. When she lays on her little back in my lap, I can see a good quarter inch of the roof of her mouth, (with her mouth closed.) The purpose of the 48 hour vet visit is to check for serious health problems, and I have to say, Kia passed my vets inspection with flying colors. And as I've said before, other than the over-bite, she's very healthy, and the sweetest little angel in the world. (Albeit, a "bosssy" one. LOL) Sheila | |
01-22-2006, 12:36 PM | #57 |
Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member | Thank you again Sheila and I think you're very right - we have lots of really super Breeders here on this site and I Wish their breeding practices were copied all over the country..... I know no breeder can be perfect ...but many of the breeders right here do their best to try to be and I don't envy them what they do... I AM in awe of it though and Yorkieville200...You have a good point about not seeing a "bad" bite until they're older - adult teeth can come in crooked or cause a bad bite....Kia sounds like a little sweetie |
01-22-2006, 01:08 PM | #58 | |
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I agree with you, no breeder can be perfect, and no dog can be perfect, (please don't tell my girls I said that!), so, I guess that's why I'm not upset with Susan that Kia has a bad bite. I adore her and she's perfect to me!!! And most importantly, she is so-o-o- healthy! I don't envy the breeders either. The owner of Sydney's sire tried to convince me to breed years ago, but it's not for me. I could never give up a puppy, so, I'd end up with a houseful. mg: | |
01-22-2006, 01:36 PM | #59 | |
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Well...if Kia is healthy...that is ALL that matters.. LOL at "Bossy"..(psst..they wouldn't be the same if they weren't..shhhh) Francie | |
01-23-2006, 04:07 AM | #60 | |
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I love that feisty part of her personality! Makes me laugh every day. Sheila | |
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