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Originally Posted by Erin Actually Ch. Shakespeare's Cheatin Heart is Kort's Sire, and I think they liked that sire so much that they bred his son. Otherwise I agree, after doing more research I'm not sure why that would be done. All she could talk about was how beautiful Kort's puppies were. He has a DNA# on his papers, I have found out just means that the sire was used more than the "allowed" number of times in a certain time period so they had to DNA test the litters. Not a bad thing in itself but it can point to larger scale breeding.
I did not let her know about the co-breeder, I just looked that up the other day. (I assumed since I purchased the dog from Susan the other breeder was not an issue, guess I was wrong again.) I have been doing some more follow up research just for my own knowledge and since I did not see the parents I was concerned about a broker/puppy mill, which of course is everyone's fear. I'm confident that he did not come from a mill, however I do feel that he may not have gotten the personal attention that I originally thought he did.
The overbite is funny! Because when we went to the vet last week the first thing she said when she opened his mouth was "nice teeth!" so I guess he doesn't have one. Dogs with overbites are so cute, does her little tongue stick out sometimes?
I don't know that Loki is truly agressive either, but bossy is definately the right word. It's such a struggle not to give in because he's so darn cute. But we don't let him get away with it. He just tries and tries to get us to do what he wants and then gives up and THEN we get up and play with him or whatever. He's on what the trainer calls the no free lunch program. He has to work for everything. Sit, leash on, sit, leash off, tricks for treats, etc. I'm happy when he barks at someone outside, but he'll just start barking his head off when he wants someone to stand in the kitchen and watch him eat. Or he will "ask" to go outside then start barking at you when you put his leash on, like "That's NOT what I wanted!!". If he were a toddler he'd be on the ground crying, screaming, kicking and throwing a fit.
The reason that he gets into trouble with dogs is that he is not polite. I don't think that's agression either, but again a short temper. He doesnt go in looking to pick a fight. There are dog/dog social rules and he breaks them every time. He sniffs other dog, other dog sniffs him and he freaks out! It's like he never learned the rules. I think that's where the 10-12 week socialization (or lack of) comes though. He's just very immature.
When you got Kia did you get to see the parents?
Re: the guarantee. I was specifically told when we bought him that it was a return the puppy for a new one guarantee. Now, EVERYONE gets attached to their puppy even if it gets sick 3 days later. But for something like LP that shows up now a year later, I mean besides the fact that he is our CHILD I have put so much into training & socialization. No WAY would I trade him in and start over. Most people would never consider that. So even though there is a guarantee, I never put much faith in it to begin with and I supposed others shouldn't either. I just don't want this to happen again. It's nice to hear from breeders who do take that guarantee seriously. Thanks for that.
Honestly, going through all of this makes me want to become a breeder some day so that I can make the choices and try to prevent some of these things from happening. It's not something I'd do any time soon, maybe in 10 or 20 years if I found the right people to help me do it right, but I can't imagine anything more rewarding than helping to improve the breed I love so much. |
Hi, Erin.
When I got Kia from Susan, I didn't realize she was breeding on such a large scale. No, I did not get to see Kia's sire and dam that day. I did see her sire in the show ring, a few years earlier. I didn't realize it was her practice not to show the sire and dam.
I think I would be inclined to let Susan know that the co-breeder is on the USDA list. She may, or may not know about it. If you don't feel comfortable in calling her, just copy the list and mail it to her.
Sometimes other breeders are deceptive.
(Heres' an example. {Just to clarify, Sydney did not come from Stardust.}The owner of my Sydney's sire, and the owner of Sydney's dam, were doing some breeding. One day I was at the sire owners house and she said, "Sydneys mom is here today for breeding". I went over to the crate and said, "That is NOT Sydneys mom". It turned out, that the owner of Sydney's Dam was lying and saying the breeding didn't take, then, taking advantage of a free repeat breeding and using a different female. When the owner of Sydney's sire, confronted this other breeder, the woman said, "You gave me the wrong dog back when I had her groomed." If that was the case, why did she take the wrong dog?!)
No, her tongue doesn't hang out. The over-bite is expensive. She needs an annual dental because her teeth don't line up when she chews, and she has to eat very tiny kibble. But, she's got the most darling little face ever!
Re: the guarantee. When I got Kia, Susan told me that if there were any medical issues in the 1st year, she would either take her back and replace her, (to which I replied, "I'd never be able to give her up") and she said then we'd work it out where she would pay part of the medical bills. She did say that she would want to know about any genetic issues at any time.
So, this is why I am so surprised that she was not concerned about Loki's L.P.
Sheila