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11-18-2010, 07:03 PM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Yorkieville USA
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| question of dog cost I have searched high and land prices are from really low to really high. My question is to buy a yorkie with multiple ch and into change in their pedigree what realistically should I expect to pay? Thank you |
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11-18-2010, 07:15 PM | #2 |
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| Darn spelling changes on my phone! Its suppose to say high and low and ch and int ch sorry |
11-19-2010, 06:22 AM | #3 |
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| It's not so much a question of having to pay a certain amount... As far as breeding in concerned? Or for a pet? If for purposes of breeding the dog, quality dogs from strong lines are not acquired (generally) by just being willing to fork out big buck$. It's more a question of your qualifications that is a bigger focal point. Reputable breeders who have worked for years to develop strong CH lines aren't going to just hand their dogs off to the first person willing to pay for them. It's less about price and more about developing a good relationship with the breeder and taking all the steps to becoming a reputable breeder first. Breeders like to get a feel that they can trust you with their lines. In short, reputable breeders are not going to sell dogs with stacked CH titles to someone with no experience to just breed them willy nilly to sell. |
11-19-2010, 06:36 AM | #4 |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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| In addition, if the relationship of trust develops, the dog will come with a strong contract, within the contract the dog would be expected to be shown and Championed. The contract would in fact be on a coownership and the breeder would retain all say on who the dog could be bred too.
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11-21-2010, 03:33 AM | #5 |
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| Do yourself a favor before going to a breeder unless your willing to take out a second mortgage to purchase a puppy...theyll tell you that it takes thousands of dollars to make a champion and testing and so on and so on...limited registration and coownership...STUDY THE BREED!!!...get as many books that illustrate what a yorkie should look like...called the breed standard...also find some books about dog genetics and breeding...GO TO AS MANY SHOWS THAT YOU CAN...you will develope an eye for a good quality yorkshire terrier...and its a fun time...go to the AKC web site under events in your area...get a judging schedule to see what ring and time yorkie are going to be judged...I found a good quality bitch from the newspaper, but I looked at A LOT OF LITTERS...you can do this but it takes patience and some time and effort...Learn about hereditary diseases that are common in yorkies and the testing that is done to identify them...Several tests can be done at clinics that are held throughout the year for a reasonable price...The prices that these breeders want for a puppy because his pedigree is filled with champions are RIDICULOUS...Theyll tell you there not making a profit, or I only breed a bitch once every two years, but what they won't tell you is that they have a half dozen of bitches they cycle and are having litters a couple of times a year...I'd like one to show me...give me the monetary break down...that's why there are so many puppy mills out there...the working family can't afford a $1000...$2000...$3000...puppy...so the puppy mills fill the need...you can do this...you just need to get educated |
11-21-2010, 05:09 AM | #6 | |
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Reputable breeder/exhibitors do not sell their pups for exhorbant prices. Most of us only have one or two females that we do not breed every cycle. The monetary break down has been given over and over on YT. All you need do is search. You found a quality bitch from the newspaper? Was she from quality lines and line bred? Have you studied genetics and how to correct her faults, how to breed them out?
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11-21-2010, 06:33 AM | #7 |
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| Your reply only reinforces what I said in my response...nowhere do you comment that what advice I gave was helpful...only defending breeders...I'll say this...The median household income in the USA is $46,326...whom do you know can afford a puppy for $1000 and up?...that's why theres puppy mills...IMHO this is a major contributor of puppy mills... |
11-21-2010, 06:46 AM | #8 | |
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Puppy Mills as you say sell to Pet Stores who in turn sell pups on the average of $1,800.00 and up. Pups that for the most part have not been quality bred. Read the countless theads on this forum alone of sick dogs owned by people that have gone this route. The major contributor to puppy mills is due to our instant gratification, uneducated buyers. Those that haven't done their homework, fall in love with that cute puppy and aren't all puppies cute. This same topic of conversation was discussed this last weekend at the National. Newbies entering the world of dogs that want instant gratification and aren't willing to do the time. Only want to breed and really haven't done their homework, found a mentor that is knowledgable in everything yorkie with the passion for the breed. Quality bitches from the newspaper, I don't think so. Unless you've followed her offspring through the years, her offsprings, offspring, you can't know if she's a quality bitch. Nothing can replace those breeders that have been doing this for years, have put in countless hours of time, blood, sweat and tears in producing healthy dogs......know their lines and have proven their lines in the dog world. To them it's not about money, it's about improving the breed. And until one does what the do, have every dog they breed registered through the CHIC Foundation, then you aren't doing it correctly.
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11-21-2010, 07:16 AM | #9 | |
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Well said, Mary!
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11-21-2010, 07:22 AM | #10 | |
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I'm not and never would be a breeder. I'm just a pet owner and I'd like to think of myself as good pet owner for various reasons. My little puppy mill dog Daisy has cost me over $30,000 over her lifetime of medical bills so you get what you pay for. Going the pet store / puppy mill route is never a good route nor is a BYB. As for people who can't afford a $1,000 and up puppy - are you serious? My puppy mill dog cost me $1,100 in the year 2000 from a pet store. The sick one was free, or $30,000, depending on how you look at it. I think it is more helpful to educate people on the costs of yorkie care and health and the breed than to send them to a breeder who will charge them less but over the lifetime of the dog they will pay. I sure did (and keep paying!!).
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11-21-2010, 07:29 AM | #11 | |
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Not worth it imo, just save up and do it right it'll save you heartache and money. I think for a pet quality pup from a reputable breeder anything around 1500 or less is totally fair, some charge more some charge less it's up to the breeder, and usually has to do with vet fees associated with bringing the pups into the world and running tests, etc. I don't know what they charge for show quality pups, but attending dog shows and speaking with breeders in your area that do show could give you a rough estimate on how much a show quality pup will cost you. | |
11-21-2010, 07:38 AM | #12 |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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| Yorkies are my passion and have no problem with those that choose to enter the breeding arena, as long as they are doing it correctly. The journey in the world of yorkies is not an easy one. Unless, one has made that journey, with no short cuts, (and as Lorraine has said, if you want a short cut go to a barber) with a proven line, studing genetics, working with a mentor, understanding that you don't breed yorkies pheno type to pheno, understanding pedigrees, how to breed for health, structure and temperament, totally imersing oneself in the breed, then they shouldn't be doing it. Our responsibility is to educate and make sure than the newbies have every possibility in success. But, we don't just hand over the reigns willy nilly to just anyone that wants to breed. We've all seen it, people in a hurry going to a petstore or a breeder that has no restrictions, will sell a dog on open registration, and takes none of the responsibility of mentoring. Sad, but in most of these cases, the outcome is not wonderful.
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11-21-2010, 09:08 AM | #13 | |
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11-21-2010, 10:22 AM | #15 |
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| Respectfully...No one still has said anything about my first reply...My sister showed three Salukis to championship and not ONE cost more than $500...the bitch I purchased is of quality, temperament, very sound bitch...I paid no where near $1000...and by the way one probably couldn't purchase a pup for $1000 from a show breeder...I was at a show in October and just happened to ask a show breeder what she charges for a PET quality pup...starting at $1600!!!!!...I know of a boxer breeder who has championed a lot of boxers asking tens of thousands of dollars for a show dog...if I'm spending $10000 for a pup she(he) better take out the garbage,do the dishes and laundry,drive me to work:0)...you all said that $1000 is a drop in the bucket...bless you all...because in this economy and where I'm from $1000 is a lot of money...by the way I know I'm 53 but I'm up for adoption from any of you ladies...There are tons of puppy mills in Pennsylvania not to far from where I live...one can pick up a pup for around $600...I've bred and showed boxers...I know the show game also...stacking the deck...show people know what I mean...and this notion that because one tests and show there dogs that the puppy purchaser has to absorb these costs...it's a personal choice to show a dog, and test there dogs...no one pays my vet bills...and last is that there is now way you can tell me that by line breeding, your dogs are free from congenital/hereditary diseases...if you can then you belong working in research...there would be no cancers, diabetes, etc...What you can do is spay or neuter a dog or bitch if there shown to have a hereditary disease that can be passes on...and breed for standard so that the physical mechanics are sound... |
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