Females try to kill each other!

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by BellaDonna

I agree that Calypso should be spayed and not let near another pregnant female or new puppies. I also agree that people should not breed willy nilly to satisfy their need to see pups born or in bulk to line their pockets.

But, I am also a realist and my Bella is from a pet breeder (a person that bred their 2 pets). I was thrilled to have found her. I had a choice between her and a couple of dogs from what people call breeders and I liked her more. Not to mention she was in my price range. Unless I win the lottery I will never pay $2000.00 for a pet.

You can find great quality pet yorkshire terriers for about $1000, or sometimes less according to your area. The extra $ you pay an ethical breeder includes a health guarantee, a lifetime of them being willing to take back their dog for any reason you cant keep them and most importantly proper health screening for defects and issues that may show up years from the purchase date of your pet.

In my opinion, you can't put a price on a healthy pup from an AMAZING breeder.

It just isn't something I would do. Her surroundings were homey and clean, she was well loved, very balanced and happy. My vet says she is very healthy and I am proud to own her and take care of her for the rest of my life.

This is wonderful to hear, you are a great pet owner and your pup is very lucky to have found you.

I am sure the couple that bred their pets weren't knowledgeable about many things but that doesn't mean they were the dregs of the earth either. While I was there I even talked to them about the perils.

They were more than likely a very nice couple, but not educated in the ways of ethical breeding.

Who knows, one day I may decide to breed to "better the breed" but even those who do that had to start somewhere.

They start by shadowing an ethical breeder and it takes $, and if you are not willing to spend on a quality dog then you will fall into the category we are debating here.

They didn't just roll out of bed one morning and say..."I am going to be a top notch breeder today" Everyone has to learn, even the best breeders on this board.

No they don't roll out of bed one day saying I think I'll breed, they say I wonder how much $ I can make off my dog to pay may taxes and such........

I have seen puppy mills, bad byb and great pet home breeders and Hightone/high $$ breeders. There are exceptions to every scenario.

There are no exceptions to Back Yard Breeders and Puppymillers, they are exploiting animals for their own personal TAX FREE gain!

Like I said before your dog is very lucky she found you, I would suggest having her spayed before her first heat, it will reduce the risk of her having uterine problems in the future and she can continue to live a long happy life with you


We all get to have our opinions.

Keep learning about you little girl, she is very blessed to have found you since you have such in interest in her.

[cj125]

Sorry about that - I just noticed in your signature line that you have 3 dogs. Your profile says that you're looking for another one - right? So this is starting to be a business - not just a hobby.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

Correction: If everyone was breeding for the betterment of the breed there would still be many members on YT. Probably more happy ones. We would see less drama and horror stories from all of these backwards bred puppies that too many people buy and continue to contribute to the problem of, which later end up as a rescue because of people not willing to pay for well bred Yorkies. Or are willing to take the time to help the sick or problem ones that they have purchased. I'm talking about the people who throw them away, not the people who actually rsecue them and give them a better life.


no the members would go down from the 1000s to maybe the 100s..sure they would be happy they would be the only ones with yorkies...its not that people arent willing to pay..its that people cant or wont pay 1800+ for a yorkie..which is still a dog, a pet, or go through some of the breeder rigorous inspections and questions..people like them privacy and space...


Temperament is extremely important...it's the mental side of the health issue.

never said it wasnt important..my comment was if they are aggressive all the time...always aggressive not just in the heat and pregnant cycle then they shouldnt be bred but again its typical for females to not get along on their cycles...

No it isn't typical for them not to get along when they are in Season......just those that have aggressive tendancies....

I know too many breeder/exhibitors and have been to their homes, their girls run together, whether they are in Season or not.....no problems, no aggessiveness. I've never had a problem either.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BellaDonna

I agree that Calypso should be spayed and not let near another pregnant female or new puppies. I also agree that people should not breed willy nilly to satisfy their need to see pups born or in bulk to line their pockets.

But, I am also a realist and my Bella is from a pet breeder (a person that bred their 2 pets). I was thrilled to have found her. I had a choice between her and a couple of dogs from what people call breeders and I liked her more. Not to mention she was in my price range. Unless I win the lottery I will never pay $2000.00 for a pet. It just isn't something I would do. Her surroundings were homey and clean, she was well loved, very balanced and happy. My vet says she is very healthy and I am proud to own her and take care of her for the rest of my life. I am sure the couple that bred their pets weren't knowledgeable about many things but that doesn't mean they were the dregs of the earth either. While I was there I even talked to them about the perils.

Who knows, one day I may decide to breed to "better the breed" but even those who do that had to start somewhere. They didn't just roll out of bed one morning and say..."I am going to be a top notch breeder today" Everyone has to learn, even the best breeders on this board.

I have seen puppy mills, bad byb and great pet home breeders and Hightone/high $$ breeders. There are exceptions to every scenario.

We all get to have our opinions.

I don't agree with your statement.....There are plenty of us that began our journey the correct way....obtaining a mentor, researching, studying, and yes even showing, prior to ever beginning a breeding program.

There are those that breed to better the breed and then there are those that breed to sell puppies.....

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

No it isn't typical for them not to get along when they are in Season......just those that have aggressive tendancies....

I know too many breeder/exhibitors and have been to their homes, their girls run together, whether they are in Season or not.....no problems, no aggessiveness. I've never had a problem either.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i think if you have dirty mangy urine covered pups your a byb

i think if you have clean healthy happy puppies your a hobby breeder..and you can certainly come see for your self..or call my references

i dont think its right to tear about hobby breeders which always get classified with the byb's

If you aren't testing and breeding the best of the best, then you're hiding your head in the sand. Yes, a Backyard Breeder.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

you all say now that you rescued from a byb

no you bought from a byb which proves my point..money talks money make the world go around

and you are missing my main point of the byb....you all have your yorkies because of the byb...only maybe 25% on them on here come from "reputable" breeders..another 10-15% actual rescues...the rest come from the every day byb...not only have i supported them but most of you

Excuse me, but I "rescued" Camden at 2 1/2 yrs of age from a BYB! She was a breeding dog that was of no further use to the breeder after losing a litter of pups.
She was a dog that was filthy, sick with worms, ear & eye infections, matted to the skin, and reeked of urine! She was kept in a garage with dirty bedding and dried/stale food. It was obvious the dog had never been socialized or used to any normal household noises.
My vet & grooming bills far exceeded what it would have cost me to buy a puppy from a reputable breeder. Which is why I'm always worried when people look to just buy the cheapest puppy they can find because it can come out costing them a lot more in the long run with the short cuts that a lot of BYB breeders take to breed.
I would never support BYB or puppy mills and I hope we can save as many people as possible from doing it!
I don't disagree that many have bought from these type of breeders before they knew better, but there is a difference in NOT knowing and knowing and supporting a BYB anyway!

[BamaFan121s]

Wow. I would love to say that I'm shocked by what I've read on this thread, but sadly, nothing surprises me anymore.

The problem here clearly goes far beyond two females fighting. Here is a dog, background unknown, with aggression issues, being used for breeding to pay bills. Not a shock that someone would do something so immoral, IMO, but I am a bit surprise that someone would openly admit it an then expect people to understand and be sympathetic.

The "until you know you can't judge" line is absurd, desperate and makes me laugh. NO financial hardship justifies forcing dogs into a situation where they are fighting to the death and killing each other's puppies. They shouldn't be bred. Period. They should be re-homed. Stating that it's not an option because one depends on the money they bring in makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR that the best interest of the dogs is being completely pushed out the back door in exchange for financial comfort.

[BellaDonna]

Since there are people who breed to better the breed, they should be very happy they are able to "sell" the puppies. Even the ones that aren't show dog material and the ones that don't fit the standard. To big, to little etc.

Actually one of my dogs that people love the most is a tiny chihuahua that was the runt of the litter. She weighs 2 1/2 lbs grown and a "Hobby" breeder gave her to me free. She didn't try to gouge me for $1500.00 for a "teacup". She wanted her to have a good home with someone familiar with the breed and she told me to take her home and take care of her.

I stand by the fact that some really nice dogs can come from a pet breeder and that there are many nice people that have done this. There are also a lot of losers but I have met "reputable breeders" that I don't like or trust either.

I just can't pigeon hole every single person with a wave of my hand even if I am very judgemental.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BellaDonna

Since there are people who breed to better the breed, they should be very happy they are able to "sell" the puppies. Even the ones that aren't show dog material and the ones that don't fit the standard. To big, to little etc.

Actually one of my dogs that people love the most is a tiny chihuahua that was the runt of the litter. She weighs 2 1/2 lbs grown and a "Hobby" breeder gave her to me free. She didn't try to gouge me for $1500.00 for a "teacup". She wanted her to have a good home with someone familiar with the breed and she told me to take her home and take care of her.

I stand by the fact that some really nice dogs can come from a pet breeder and that there are many nice people that have done this. There are also a lot of losers but I have met "reputable breeders" that I don't like or trust either.

I just can't pigeon hole every single person with a wave of my hand even if I am very judgemental.

I've always said, you buy your breeder first, then your dog.....then you do a lot of reference calling.....

[Shasha]

Originally Posted by motherhen

We really need some help with this problem. We have two adult females, that when one is pregnant, they get into horrible fights! I mean they actually try to kill each other. Today, I could't even get them seperated till there was blood on both of them. Calypso is jealous of any attention the male gives to Pandora. She has even killed the puppies of Pandora. She acts like she is married to our male! The dogs have the run of the house, and we have no way to keep them seperate, unless we would cage them all the time. We really don't like that idea at all -- but we like the idea of a dead dog even worse. It seems like the fights are mainly right after one of us gets home, or if someone comes over. Pandora is definetly the 'alpha' dog, but Calypso is much bigger and stronger. Do all females do this? When our female pups get older will we have the same problem, or is this unique to these two?

Ive got exactly the same thing happening with 2 of my girls,when they are pregnant and when i come in or get visitors..it is so frightening i know and they just dont want to let go......i put the dominant female in her crate (and they too have the run of the house) when i get any visitors or if i am going out.... its the only way i found to stop them fighting. Since the docile bitch has been pregnant there was 1 fight, she has had 5 lovely pups and since then no fights. I just put the dominate female in her crate if i see her squaring up for a fight.Locking her away is the only way i can prevent this happening.... other times they get on really well...imsure its there hormones!good luck

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by motherhen

We've got 2 male puppies that we are still going to get. Sure glad I won't have to worry about them like that.

So let me get this strait. You have dogs now that are fighting an killing each other that you are having issues controlling, you can't pay your bills without depending on breeding for profit.....yet you are going to bring in two MORE dogs into the mix that you will have to provide for as well.

I REALLY hope you are just trying to push buttons an this is all joke.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Shasha

Ive got exactly the same thing happening with 2 of my girls,when they are pregnant and when i come in or get visitors..it is so frightening i know and they just dont want to let go......i put the dominant female in her crate (and they too have the run of the house) when i get any visitors or if i am going out.... its the only way i found to stop them fighting. Since the docile bitch has been pregnant there was 1 fight, she has had 5 lovely pups and since then no fights. I just put the dominate female in her crate if i see her squaring up for a fight.Locking her away is the only way i can prevent this happening.... other times they get on really well...imsure its there hormones!good luck

No it isn't their hormones....it's dominance and aggression issues.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

So let me get this strait. You have dogs now that are fighting an killing each other that you are having issues controlling, you can't pay your bills without depending on breeding for profit.....yet you are going to bring in two MORE dogs into the mix that you will have to provide for as well.

I REALLY hope you are just trying to push buttons an this is all joke.

I know right? But for it to be a joke would be too much like right Wrong just can't do right!

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

So let me get this strait. You have dogs now that are fighting an killing each other that you are having issues controlling, you can't pay your bills without depending on breeding for profit.....yet you are going to bring in two MORE dogs into the mix that you will have to provide for as well.

I REALLY hope you are just trying to push buttons an this is all joke.

I don't think it's a joke. She was supposed to get a "white" yorkie from another YT member, but it died just before she was to get it. So the other member is giving her two other pups in place of the one that died. These "white" yorkies are what she intends to breed. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/my-...puppy-too.html

I'm going to add that I have two biewers, and I have no prejudice against yorkies no matter their color - I just hope this other member will become aware of what type of hellish future she's setting her pups up for.

As far as the op and her posts - I have tried to keep my mouth shut but I just can't do it anymore. There is NO, I repeat NO, excuse to breed an abused, rehomed frightened girl just so you can pay your property taxes!!! In fact, paying your bills in NO excuse to breed any pup at all. You have no idea what background these pups have, or what kind or problems and heartache you're passing on to innocent people.

If you need the money so badly, get off your couch and get a job! McDonald's is always hiring.