Females try to kill each other!

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

wow you are pretty aggressive arent you?

all you know is what she is posted on here...and from all the hate post i cant keep up

i dont know this woman..but i was basically telling her to save her breathe

i dont know what all she has done where she got her dogs or how

females behaving in aggression towards each other in those times..pregnancy and heat is TYPICAL not genetic...i dont care who says any different

So you don't care that some of the most RESPECTED breeders here on this forum said that it is not the norm for them? I wouldn't call that TYPICAL

the mom eating the puppies..yes i would have probably spayed her and rehomed her just because i would have been upset but its not unnatural

So then, maybe you could have told this to the OP instead of encouraging her to continue her "practices"

I would say I'm more confrontational.

I think what this woman needs is Guidance, after all, isn't that why she posted here in the first place?

I am PASSIONATE about all living creatures, and if I see one suffering or dying like in this case I will speak up for what is right, also I put my $ and effort where my mouth is, I am active in rescue and intend to see puppymills and backyard breeders such as this extinct in my lifetime. Call it aggressive if you will, I call it ambition.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

wow you are pretty aggressive arent you?

all you know is what she is posted on here...and from all the hate post i cant keep up

i dont know this woman..but i was basically telling her to save her breathe

i dont know what all she has done where she got her dogs or how

females behaving in aggression towards each other in those times..pregnancy and heat is TYPICAL not genetic...i dont care who says any different

the mom eating the puppies..yes i would have probably spayed her and rehomed her just because i would have been upset but its not unnatural

I don't think Hardygirl is being aggressive at all. Actually, I've ready quite a few of your posts both on this thread and the other thread and you are the one that seems to be aggressive with your answers. Hardygirl is correct, an abused rescue would not be used by anyone knowledgable for breeding. The female should have been spayed and either kept as a pet or placed in a home where it would be kept as a pet. Clearly, it wasn't the female's best interest here. Elaine

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by hartygirl

I would say I'm more confrontational.

I think what this woman needs is Guidance, after all, isn't that why she posted here in the first place?

I am PASSIONATE about all living creatures, and if I see one suffering or dying like in this case I will speak up for what is right, also I put my $ and effort where my mouth is, I am active in rescue and intend to see puppymills and backyard breeders such as this extinct in my lifetime. Call it aggressive if you will, I call it ambition.

i highly doubt it will happen because money speaks louded then words...i think puppy mills are sad and cruel but i dont think the bybs should be extinct..like i posted earlier...if that happens then there will be hardly no yorkies and no yorkies owners. i really dont have a problem with them unless they are being cruel..im glad there are byb and hobby breeders if not i wouldnt have my dogs and neither would 1000s of other yorkie owners

also wanted to add

if the ops dogs were always agressive then i would say its genetic dont breed but since it only happens when they are in heat/pregnant its natural

she needs to separate them

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i highly doubt it will happen because money speaks louded then words...i think puppy mills are sad and cruel but i dont think the bybs should be extinct..like i posted earlier...if that happens then there will be hardly no yorkies and no yorkies owners. i really dont have a problem with them unless they are being cruel..im glad there are byb and hobby breeders if not i wouldnt have my dogs and neither would 1000s of other yorkie owners

also wanted to add

if the ops dogs were always agressive then i would say its genetic dont breed but since it only happens when they are in heat/pregnant its natural

she needs to separate them

I'm amazed that you support BYBers



Probably the best definition I have found so far to answer "What is a back yard breeder (BYB)?" comes from Boxerworld.com:

"The average pet owner that breeds their dog(s)."

So, why are back yard breeders a problem? Well, they just breed dogs for the sake of it. They may have a sweet pet they want to try and reproduce or they think that their dogs are quality because they have papers and/or are registered with some registry. They think maybe they can make a few dollars selling pups, etc. They just put out dogs without real consideration for the future of not only the breed but the puppies produced.

Often, BYBs breed dogs with faults. This perpetuates fault and problems in the breed. They do nothing to prove their dogs are of sound temperament and that they are breeding good representatives of the breed, etc. They just breed. And often, they do not even breed purebreds. Some BYBs "create" neat sounding things and think they are breeds - like Dalimers. This was seen listed in the Washington Post as a rare, German breed. Well, they are mutts - crosses of Dalmatians and Weimeraners, nothing more than a back yarder trying to make a buck

[jrsygal37]

A good observation by another member about age was brought up. How old was this abused female when she was pregnant. If I'm reading correctly the OP said, she was under a year old when got her and she soon become preg. right after. Seems like she was still a baby herself when she was first bred. So she came from an abusive and was still a baby herself when the OP bred her. Elaine

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i highly doubt it will happen because money speaks louded then words...i think puppy mills are sad and cruel but i dont think the bybs should be extinct..like i posted earlier...if that happens then there will be hardly no yorkies and no yorkies owners. i really dont have a problem with them unless they are being cruel..im glad there are byb and hobby breeders if not i wouldnt have my dogs and neither would 1000s of other yorkie owners

also wanted to add

if the ops dogs were always agressive then i would say its genetic dont breed but since it only happens when they are in heat/pregnant its natural

she needs to separate them

Gosh, that saddens me that you support BYBs, it really does.
We rescued Camden from one and I'm hoping for the day they are extinct!

[TLC]

I really have no words for this situation...

I am once again speechless that there is a rescued/abused female that is being breed to produce puppies that will pay for taxes ...yet another incredible, greedy and shameless breeding story...

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

wow you are pretty aggressive arent you?

all you know is what she is posted on here...and from all the hate post i cant keep up

i dont know this woman..but i was basically telling her to save her breathe

i dont know what all she has done where she got her dogs or how

females behaving in aggression towards each other in those times..pregnancy and heat is TYPICAL not genetic...i dont care who says any different

the mom eating the puppies..yes i would have probably spayed her and rehomed her just because i would have been upset but its not unnatural

also if everyone just bred to better the breed there would not be so many members on this site with yorkies they love

Correction: If everyone was breeding for the betterment of the breed there would still be many members on YT. Probably more happy ones. We would see less drama and horror stories from all of these backwards bred puppies that too many people buy and continue to contribute to the problem of, which later end up as a rescue because of people not willing to pay for well bred Yorkies. Or are willing to take the time to help the sick or problem ones that they have purchased. I'm talking about the people who throw them away, not the people who actually rsecue them and give them a better life.

Temperament is extremely important...it's the mental side of the health issue.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Gosh, that saddens me that you support BYBs, it really does.
We rescued Camden from one and I'm hoping for the day they are extinct!

you all say now that you rescued from a byb

no you bought from a byb which proves my point..money talks money make the world go around

and you are missing my main point of the byb....you all have your yorkies because of the byb...only maybe 25% on them on here come from "reputable" breeders..another 10-15% actual rescues...the rest come from the every day byb...not only have i supported them but most of you

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Gosh, that saddens me that you support BYBs, it really does.
We rescued Camden from one and I'm hoping for the day they are extinct!

Reese, I agree with you. I have five rescues. This whole thread is upsetting. A young abused dog who came to the OP as skin and bones and fearful and the first thing they do is breed her. Abused, too young, and skin and bones, not only breed her, but breed her back to back. And, she's given good advice and ignores it so why ask then. Elaine

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i highly doubt it will happen because money speaks louded then words...i think puppy mills are sad and cruel but i dont think the bybs should be extinct..like i posted earlier...if that happens then there will be hardly no yorkies and no yorkies owners. i really dont have a problem with them unless they are being cruel..im glad there are byb and hobby breeders if not i wouldnt have my dogs and neither would 1000s of other yorkie owners

So would you purchase a pup from this Back yard breeder to add to your home?

Back yard breeders breed for PROFIT not to breed standards. How anybody can be OK with this is just beyond me.
I disagree 100% about there being "hardly no yorkies and hardly no yorkie owners" There are thousands of PUREBRED yorkies sitting in shelters around our nation and the world. If you would prefer a AKC registered show quality pup you can purchase one, you may have to save up but it can be done.

also wanted to add

if the ops dogs were always agressive then i would say its genetic dont breed but since it only happens when they are in heat/pregnant its natural

she needs to separate them

Yes money does speak louder than words when that is YOUR main priority, there are too many public assistance programs in place for me to ever feel that it is ok for animals to suffer so someone can pay their bills on time.

I hope you spend more time on here learning about the dangers of supporting Back yard breeders which are just a step below, puppymills.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by Cerise

Correction: If everyone was breeding for the betterment of the breed there would still be many members on YT. Probably more happy ones. We would see less drama and horror stories from all of these backwards bred puppies that too many people buy and continue to contribute to the problem of, which later end up as a rescue because of people not willing to pay for well bred Yorkies. Or are willing to take the time to help the sick or problem ones that they have purchased. I'm talking about the people who throw them away, not the people who actually rsecue them and give them a better life.

Temperament is extremely important...it's the mental side of the health issue.

And I'm talking about the people who purchase these and then get rid of them, NOT the wonderful people who save these puppies and give them a chance.

What's is worse is the ones who buy poorly bred Yorkies and then breed them...that I will never understand.

[tammy8833]

Correction: If everyone was breeding for the betterment of the breed there would still be many members on YT. Probably more happy ones. We would see less drama and horror stories from all of these backwards bred puppies that too many people buy and continue to contribute to the problem of, which later end up as a rescue because of people not willing to pay for well bred Yorkies. Or are willing to take the time to help the sick or problem ones that they have purchased. I'm talking about the people who throw them away, not the people who actually rsecue them and give them a better life.


no the members would go down from the 1000s to maybe the 100s..sure they would be happy they would be the only ones with yorkies...its not that people arent willing to pay..its that people cant or wont pay 1800+ for a yorkie..which is still a dog, a pet, or go through some of the breeder rigorous inspections and questions..people like them privacy and space...


Temperament is extremely important...it's the mental side of the health issue.

never said it wasnt important..my comment was if they are aggressive all the time...always aggressive not just in the heat and pregnant cycle then they shouldnt be bred but again its typical for females to not get along on their cycles...

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by hartygirl

Yes money does speak louder than words when that is YOUR main priority, there are too many public assistance programs in place for me to ever feel that it is ok for animals to suffer so someone can pay their bills on time.

I hope you spend more time on here learning about the dangers of supporting Back yard breeders which are just a step below, puppymills.

i dont understand your argument in this first paragraph

i have both ckc and akc yorkies and had the same experience with each breeder..actually the ckc breeder was more human in my opinion she chatted with me and was more interested in puppies then the akc breeder..but i liked both of them alright i guess

i would say there are a lot of breeders that breed to breed and sell yorkies to people who cant/wont spend the 1000s on a show quality PET...good lord my husbands jar hits the floor when he sees the price tags on yorkies...and im again assuming alot of wifes have that problem with husband and sticker shock so thats another area where byb are in demand

what you call a byb i have two verisons a byb and a hobby breeder..i will by from hobby breeders..i wont buy dirty mangy pups that are housed outside and stain in their own urine..but i will buy pups that are housed inside and loved and well cared for have their paperwork n medical records and a breeder that stays ins touch

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Reese, I agree with you. I have five rescues. This whole thread is upsetting. A young abused dog who came to the OP as skin and bones and fearful and the first thing they do is breed her. Abused, too young, and skin and bones, not only breed her, but breed her back to back. And, she's given good advice and ignores it so why ask then. Elaine

This is exactly why I got so "aggressive". This poor little soul has not only endured this, but now will more than likely be crated or always be in danger of getting in a fight.

I am not trying to be ugly to the OP, just harsh. I think you need to see that the problem has some simple corrections, spaying being one and re-homing or surrendering to a rescue another. I highly suggest if you are still struggling financially to surrender your dog lovingly to rescue where she will get spayed, and placed in a FOREVER loving home that has been pre screened and will be a perfect fit.