Females try to kill each other!

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I really hope she can prove she loves her by giving her to Yorkie Haven Rescue but I am so afraid for the dogs taking her place...Just sad.

I completely agree. What better way to show your love than to make sure she gets the home she's deserved all along?

And I also fear for the life those two puppies have ahead of them.

[Golden Parti]

Ok, I just read the entire thread. Some of you obviously read something different than I did.

What I read is she got a dog that was skinny and did not act correct. She then spoiled it and gave it all the food it wanted and treated it right so it overcame whatever had happened to it as a puppy. Now it has developed problems with other dogs and she came on here asking for help and if this was normal. I have to say I was very impressed by the members at the beginning of this thread who answered the questions and tried to help with solutions.

I am not at all impressed with some of the members at the end of the thread.

She is a very loving pet owner with a very real problem that can and does happen sometimes with dogs. Dogs by nature have alpha males and females and when you have two competing alphas you get problems. As for the cane to separate dogs if you have never seen to dogs lock on each other you can not possibly understand how difficult it is to separate them, without two people and leather gloves handy it can be next to impossible. You have no idea how horrible it is to see your babies attacking each other and being unable to get them apart, you would do whatever it took if faced with the same situation. With bigger dogs you risk serious personal injury stepping into a fight.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

What I read is she got a dog that was skinny and did not act correct. She then spoiled it and gave it all the food it wanted and treated it right so it overcame whatever had happened to it as a puppy. Now it has developed problems with other dogs and she came on here asking for help and if this was normal. I have to say I was very impressed by the members at the beginning of this thread who answered the questions and tried to help with solutions.

You left out the part where she uses her cane on her dogs. And the part where one dog ate the others pups. Or the part where she won't consider fixing them because she breeds for money to pay her bills.

You left all that out.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

So you have two criteria to differentiate between a hobby breeder and a back yard breeder. Please read this list of the differences between hobby breeders and backyard breeders, and see for yourself which side of the list you fall on. It's much more than one or two things. A COMPARISON OF: Responsible Hobby Breeders and Backyard Breeders/Irresponsible Breeders

i think that comparison is wrong

that sounds more like show breeder and unethical breeder

i dont show but i have nice dogs that i breed and find great homes for
i am careful for which homes i choose and i have contracts and vet care ..etc... i think that chart in not accurate..i think it needs 3 selections

show breeder. hobby breeder. byb

but i am involved with rescue since i was 12
i am involved with the training and believe i am knowledgable in the breed
i offer breeder support..so even when the puppy leaves i will help with any concerns or problems that arrise
already stated i had references
already stated i do follow ups
contracts
waiting list sometimes
parents on site..all friendly and loving
gee im not doing too bad on that list...just something i choose not to do
i feed good food, that me and vet have chosen together
im a stay at home mom so i am always here with them
i dont even allow visitors so no need to wash hands...no visitors until they puppies have been vaccinated then i use hand santizer
keep my puppies with mom
raised with an active lively family
i match up puppies to customers
dont sell to impulse buyers...its planned out and prepared from birth almost
i interview and check references
careful of homes with children
i dont check income thats rude..if they can afford a yorkie most people are alright to care for it
my contract states these are indoor pets and i am persistent on that but never had a issue on it
my contract explains the time in adjusting, training and behaviors

so yeah im on the first i just dont show, test or check peoples income taxes

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

Ok, I just read the entire thread. Some of you obviously read something different than I did.

What I read is she got a dog that was skinny and did not act correct. She then spoiled it and gave it all the food it wanted and treated it right so it overcame whatever had happened to it as a puppy. Now it has developed problems with other dogs and she came on here asking for help and if this was normal. I have to say I was very impressed by the members at the beginning of this thread who answered the questions and tried to help with solutions.

I am not at all impressed with some of the members at the end of the thread.

She is a very loving pet owner with a very real problem that can and does happen sometimes with dogs. Dogs by nature have alpha males and females and when you have two competing alphas you get problems. As for the cane to separate dogs if you have never seen to dogs lock on each other you can not possibly understand how difficult it is to separate them, without two people and leather gloves handy it can be next to impossible. You have no idea how horrible it is to see your babies attacking each other and being unable to get them apart, you would do whatever it took if faced with the same situation. With bigger dogs you risk serious personal injury stepping into a fight.

And I have to say that I'm not very impressed with you. Not at all.

"Skin and bones" is not merely skinny. You have no problems with taking in an abused, ill, starved and terrified animal and immediately subjecting it to pregnancy? You consider that spoiling 'it'? Really? If so, I'd love to hear how you spoil yours.

Many of us have separated fighting dogs but have never used a cane to the point of making them being sore, subdued and timid the next morning as the op has said she's done.. That is beating - not separating!!

I have read your words over and over and still cannot believe that anyone would try to justify or defend this woman. Obviously money is power. And your poor puppies are bringing in the money for you.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

Ok, I just read the entire thread. Some of you obviously read something different than I did.

What I read is she got a dog that was skinny and did not act correct. She then spoiled it and gave it all the food it wanted and treated it right so it overcame whatever had happened to it as a puppy. Now it has developed problems with other dogs and she came on here asking for help and if this was normal. I have to say I was very impressed by the members at the beginning of this thread who answered the questions and tried to help with solutions.

I am not at all impressed with some of the members at the end of the thread.

She is a very loving pet owner with a very real problem that can and does happen sometimes with dogs. Dogs by nature have alpha males and females and when you have two competing alphas you get problems. As for the cane to separate dogs if you have never seen to dogs lock on each other you can not possibly understand how difficult it is to separate them, without two people and leather gloves handy it can be next to impossible. You have no idea how horrible it is to see your babies attacking each other and being unable to get them apart, you would do whatever it took if faced with the same situation. With bigger dogs you risk serious personal injury stepping into a fight.

You are kidding me right? You missed that the dog was about a year old and then got pregnant, and perhaps pregnant again???

You agree with breeding an abused one year old female, and putting her up for another breeding??


Gawd help me

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

Ok, I just read the entire thread. Some of you obviously read something different than I did.

What I read is she got a dog that was skinny and did not act correct. She then spoiled it and gave it all the food it wanted and treated it right so it overcame whatever had happened to it as a puppy. Now it has developed problems with other dogs and she came on here asking for help and if this was normal. I have to say I was very impressed by the members at the beginning of this thread who answered the questions and tried to help with solutions.

I am not at all impressed with some of the members at the end of the thread.

She is a very loving pet owner with a very real problem that can and does happen sometimes with dogs. Dogs by nature have alpha males and females and when you have two competing alphas you get problems. As for the cane to separate dogs if you have never seen to dogs lock on each other you can not possibly understand how difficult it is to separate them, without two people and leather gloves handy it can be next to impossible. You have no idea how horrible it is to see your babies attacking each other and being unable to get them apart, you would do whatever it took if faced with the same situation. With bigger dogs you risk serious personal injury stepping into a fight.

Give me a break...it is not just breeding females that do this...as a breeder you should know this...

I had two neutered Yorkie males that hated each other and trust me I am fully aware of what could happen and I never once used a cane or gloves for that matter..If you have to do this with your yorkies you have a severe problem.

Oh and if you want to separate bigger dogs that get into a fight ... put your thumb up their a$$ and they will stop fightening..you don't have to hit them, kick them or use any other means...

Stop with the " she is a loving pet owner" talk. I am not buying and frankly I doubt many people on YT are. You must think everyone is pretty stupid here. YOu also might want to study up on the Alpha theory..it is also BS.

[Golden Parti]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I hope Golden Parti asks her where she got this girl? What kind of living conditions was she in for her to be the way she is....Cheap dog sold at an auction or from another person just making $$$ off of her/his dogs. When will the cycle be broken of this type of breeding and people thinking it is okay.

This is the behavior of a kennel raised dog. The cycle will end when pet stores stop purchasing these dogs from these large farms and people get their puppies from breeders who raise their dogs in their homes and who socialize them properly. Until this happens these dogs are out there and hopefully they do find their way into loving homes and not just get shuffled from one puppy mill to the next and suffer a life of living in boxes in substandard living conditions.

[livingdustmops]

Where is the big wall and us hitting our heads..

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i think that comparison is wrong

that sounds more like show breeder and unethical breeder

i dont show but i have nice dogs that i breed and find great homes for
i am careful for which homes i choose and i have contracts and vet care ..etc... i think that chart in not accurate..i think it needs 3 selections

show breeder. hobby breeder. byb

but i am involved with rescue since i was 12
i am involved with the training and believe i am knowledgable in the breed
i offer breeder support..so even when the puppy leaves i will help with any concerns or problems that arrise
already stated i had references
already stated i do follow ups
contracts
waiting list sometimes
parents on site..all friendly and loving
gee im not doing too bad on that list...just something i choose not to do
i feed good food, that me and vet have chosen together
im a stay at home mom so i am always here with them
i dont even allow visitors so no need to wash hands...no visitors until they puppies have been vaccinated then i use hand santizer
keep my puppies with mom
raised with an active lively family
i match up puppies to customers
dont sell to impulse buyers...its planned out and prepared from birth almost
i interview and check references
careful of homes with children
i dont check income thats rude..if they can afford a yorkie most people are alright to care for it
my contract states these are indoor pets and i am persistent on that but never had a issue on it
my contract explains the time in adjusting, training and behaviors

so yeah im on the first i just dont show, test or check peoples income taxes

But, you don't test your dogs.....

What Nancy described is correct.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

No it isn't typical for them not to get along when they are in Season......just those that have aggressive tendancies....

I know too many breeder/exhibitors and have been to their homes, their girls run together, whether they are in Season or not.....no problems, no aggessiveness. I've never had a problem either.

i just have to disagree

i know you have done this longer and have tons of knowledge but this is almost standard

i have seen females get along perfect for years with pregnancy and heats and then one day they get into...i dont see wheres that an aggression issues at all...

hell i snap on people sometimes doesnt mean i have aggression issues or that my kids will...i know they arent people but i think its silly to not think they will never disagree and always get along as best buddies

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

This is the behavior of a kennel raised dog. The cycle will end when pet stores stop purchasing these dogs from these large farms and people get their puppies from breeders who raise their dogs in their homes and who socialize them properly. Until this happens these dogs are out there and hopefully they do find their way into loving homes and not just get shuffled from one puppy mill to the next and suffer a life of living in boxes in substandard living conditions.

Evidently you aren't aware that some of the top breeders have kennels...however, their dogs are carefully bred for temperament, health and structure. Aggressivenes is not a product of being kennel raised.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

This is the behavior of a kennel raised dog. The cycle will end when pet stores stop purchasing these dogs from these large farms and people get their puppies from breeders who raise their dogs in their homes and who socialize them properly. Until this happens these dogs are out there and hopefully they do find their way into loving homes and not just get shuffled from one puppy mill to the next and suffer a life of living in boxes in substandard living conditions.

Listen...I did Yorkie rescue in AZ. I am fully aware of busting a puppymill in this state. I also know breeders that dumped their dogs in the desert when they were done with them... I also have dogs that lived in kennels..the list could go on.

YOu cannot justify to me any of this and why this woman is breeding this dog and all you are doing is proving to me you are part of the problem...the cycle just continues.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

If you aren't testing and breeding the best of the best, then you're hiding your head in the sand. Yes, a Backyard Breeder.

how is that a true statement? again you are judging and dont know me

im not hiding anything ..i never claimed to test and actually have never been asked by anyone that has ever contacted me about wether my dogs were tested or not...and i have never asked it either...

i think its wonderful for people that do to it though

[Golden Parti]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Give me a break...it is not just breeding females that do this...as a breeder you should know this...

I had two neutered Yorkie males that hated each other and trust me I am fully aware of what could happen and I never once used a cane or gloves for that matter..If you have to do this with your yorkies you have a severe problem.

Oh and if you want to separate bigger dogs that get into a fight ... put your thumb up their a$$ and they will stop fightening..you don't have to hit them, kick them or use any other means...

Stop with the " she is a loving pet owner" talk. I am not buying and frankly I doubt many people on YT are. You must think everyone is pretty stupid here. YOu also might want to study up on the Alpha theory..it is also BS.

I think that is why she came on here asking for help because she had as serious problem that needed a solution.

I do not think everyone is stupid on here, I do think there is a lot of negativity on here though. Even if she had the dog whisperer come in and personally take care of her dogs many people on here would say how terrible she is because she breeds them.

Thumb in the butt, wow, never heard of that trick before. Somehow I don't think most of us would see two dogs fighting and ever think. OMG I need to stick my thumb in their butt to separate them.