The Breeding Debate

[kelkiss5]

What am trying to say is that I dont have to go to a show to have a judge tell me that my yorkies are stantard to the breed.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by kelkiss5

Oh yes I do no Brooklyn's explanation is a very good and detailed one. But as you say it may take years of experience to judge a yokie in the show world. But it doesn't take a judge to tell you if your dog is standard to the breed or not.

It does take some years to breed correctly and that is taking the years of experience from a show breeder or a good breeder that knows the standard and from their years of experience. You shouldn't just take a yorkie that's in standard and breed it just because it's standard...you must know the ins and out's of breeding....
My rule of thumb is more than 3 faults then it's not of quality for breeding

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[yorkiekist]

IMHO, You can read and study until you are blue in the face and breed until you "think" you have the perfect specimen of the breed, but without hands on evaluation and competing with others of the same breed, you cant get the whole picture. How can you judge movement and structure without showing? Many details are missed and knowledge is not gained by NOT showing. Showing only benefits your breeding program.

[kelkiss5]

Originally Posted by gypsyqueen

I think people that show are the ones that should breed they have learned the standard and need to improve the line to compete

I am disagreeing with this point, not on the ethics of good breeders. I totally agree with YOU, about not just sticking 2 yorkies together because they are standard. But I dont think its right for this poster to say that only show people should breed because they have learned the standard.
I think if anybody puts enough time and plenty of research into the yorkie, that they also can decide on what is standard and what is not.

[kelkiss5]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

IMHO, You can read and study until you are blue in the face and breed until you "think" you have the perfect specimen of the breed, but without hands on evaluation and competing with others of the same breed, you cant get the whole picture. How can you judge movement and structure without showing? Many details are missed and knowledge is not gained by NOT showing. Showing only benefits your breeding program.

So then again we come to the point, that you can only breed if you show!!!!!
So who sets up this rule, the judges, the people who show, the people who beleive that only show people have the right to breed.
So I have no right to breed. Guess I better pack it all in now then. Stupid me!!!

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by kelkiss5

I am disagreeing with this point, not on the ethics of good breeders. I totally agree with YOU, about not just sticking 2 yorkies together because they are standard. But I dont think its right for this poster to say that only show people should breed because they have learned the standard.
I think if anybody puts enough time and plenty of research into the yorkie, that they also can decide on what is standard and what is not.

Ok think about it this way...wouldn't it be fair to say that actually going to shows and watching what's out there, getting to know the show breeders/exhibitors and seeing what's being shown and what should be bred and not be bred because TRUST ME there are some dogs in the ring that shouldn't be there and are bred....so, looking at it from a show breeders experience go to shows see what best fits the standard and talk with those breeders...to me that's one sure fire way of learning the right way whether you show or not
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[yorkiekist]

You have a right to do anything you want. What I am saying is that it only benefits you, the breeder, to compete in the show ring. If you want to know if your dogs are conformationally correct, how do you judge it at home? Who do you compare to? Do you compare your dogs to a book or the neighbors dog?

[kelkiss5]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Ok think about it this way...wouldn't it be fair to say that actually going to shows and watching what's out there, getting to know the show breeders/exhibitors and seeing what's being shown and what should be bred and not be bred because TRUST ME there are some dogs in the ring that shouldn't be there and are bred....so, looking at it from a show breeders experience go to shows see what best fits the standard and talk with those breeders...to me that's one sure fire way of learning the right way whether you show or not
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Yes that is a good way to think about it. And actually thats just what I have been looking into. . I have never been to any shows, and thats something that I really want to do. So I have been checking out to see if we have any lined up here. And as soon as 1 is close enough to me, I'll be at it. .

[kelkiss5]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

You have a right to do anything you want. What I am saying is that it only benefits you, the breeder, to compete in the show ring. If you want to know if your dogs are conformationally correct, how do you judge it at home? Who do you compare to? Do you compare your dogs to a book or the neighbors dog?

And anything that benefits me is good, I no. But that is still saying to me that only show people should breed. Maybe we should just agree to disagree on this 1. But I still think that there are some very good breeders out there that dont show.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by kelkiss5

So then again we come to the point, that you can only breed if you show!!!!!
So who sets up this rule, the judges, the people who show, the people who beleive that only show people have the right to breed.
So I have no right to breed. Guess I better pack it all in now then. Stupid me!!!

I'm not saying pack it in because sounds to me you want to do the right thing but what we are trying to point out is go to the shows, talk to the breeders and find what best fits the standard and do more research and you'll find what type of yorkie you like because not all show breeders will agree on what they like in a yorkie. Thats why it's so hard to breed these fabulous creatures. Even judges don't judge the way I like but I know from being in the show ring and being around the shows and finding my mentor has helped me in what I do know.
This is going to be long but it's to show you the difference in what a show breeder/exhibitor differs in their interputation of the standard in the ring....I know some exhibitors that like nothing but a long beautiful coat and cute face but have no regard as to the structure and movement, the texture of the coat or the color, they convince themselves that that black coat is actually a dark steel blue ( I have to laugh at those people because they are color blind cough cough ). Then you have those that like nothing but a pretty head and small ear set and forget about it may have health issues as in an obivious bad rear maybe even crippled but in that hard stack we are taught to do hard to see how the rear is crippled unless you are watching it show in the ring....so you see it is important to get out to the shows see what's being show and if it's up to standard and if you find one you like and it's what you find to be the best representation of the breed get with that breeder and get to know them prehaps let them mentor you.
I hope this helps in some way as to why going to a show and getting to know what's out there is very important!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[kelkiss5]

. Yes I am trying my best to do the best for the breed. So I guess what I have done is have the kids before I got married.

[gardenyorkies]

I think we all agree that the number one priority is health of our yorkies and those we produce...That being said ...A yorkie with beautiful movement and great structure is one with a sound body...Often times a dog high in the rear is also suffering from poor knees...The whole outside appearance is part of the whole picture of the Yorkie...

I did not start out showing but I did sit ringside for about 5 years or more watching, comparing, and learning...Then we started exhibiting, getting to know some yorkie show folks, getting the opportunity to actually feel the structure of other yorkies...Learning from others with more experience than myself...It all has been very beneficial and we have gained so much from it all...It really helps to develop your eye for evaluating your dogs...

It is our responsibility to make the breed we have chosen and love to be the best it can be!...Their future is in our hands!

~Laura

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

I think we all agree that the number one priority is health of our yorkies and those we produce...That being said ...A yorkie with beautiful movement and great structure is one with a sound body...Often times a dog high in the rear is also suffering from poor knees...The whole outside appearance is part of the whole picture of the Yorkie...

I did not start out showing but I did sit ringside for about 5 years or more watching, comparing, and learning...Then we started exhibiting, getting to know some yorkie show folks, getting the opportunity to actually feel the structure of other yorkies...Learning from others with more experience than myself...It all has been very beneficial and we have gained so much from it all...It really helps to develop your eye for evaluating your dogs...

It is our responsibility to make the breed we have chosen and love to be the best it can be!...Their future is in our hands!

~Laura

I'm clapping my hands for you!!! YAH!!!! Well said!!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorksire Terriers

[kelkiss5]

Yes, it was well said!!!!

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

I think we all agree that the number one priority is health of our yorkies and those we produce...That being said ...A yorkie with beautiful movement and great structure is one with a sound body...Often times a dog high in the rear is also suffering from poor knees...The whole outside appearance is part of the whole picture of the Yorkie...

I did not start out showing but I did sit ringside for about 5 years or more watching, comparing, and learning...Then we started exhibiting, getting to know some yorkie show folks, getting the opportunity to actually feel the structure of other yorkies...Learning from others with more experience than myself...It all has been very beneficial and we have gained so much from it all...It really helps to develop your eye for evaluating your dogs...

It is our responsibility to make the breed we have chosen and love to be the best it can be!...Their future is in our hands!

~Laura

I want one of those ringside table covers LOL I love it!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers