AKC's involvement with mills

[Woogie Man]

Here's an excerpt from an older story on the AKC and its registrations...from the mouths of inspectors.

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"In an Inquirer investigation, six former AKC inspectors said in lengthy interviews that the dog registry of the American Kennel Club, a nonprofit organization widely regarded as the guarantor of the pedigrees of purebred dogs, is largely a sham. They say, and records show, that the club does little or nothing to ensure that many of the dogs the club certifies as purebred are legitimately bred.

In the last five years, the AKC has taken in more than $100 million in exchange for papers certifying more than six million dogs as purebreds. Much of that money came from large kennels that sell dogs to brokers or to pet stores. The former AKC inspectors say those certifications are often worthless or untrue.

The inspectors say the AKC does not verify bloodlines. What it does is accept applications and fees and send out registration papers, relying mostly on the word of the breeder that the information submitted is true.

They say the club's primary enterprise -- the registry of purebred dogs -- has been corrupted. So many dogs without proper papers and proven lineage have been accepted into the AKC ``stud book,'' or registry, in recent years that it's no longer reliable, they say.

In many cases, they say, the AKC knows the registrations are suspect but approves them anyway for a fee. The AKC has never undertaken a thorough study of its stud book".

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From this link....

Puppy Mills & the AKC

[Woogie Man]

This is a little off topic but does show another example of the AKC's lapse of ethics.

PEDIGREE FRAUD 1 - AKC STUD BOOK CORRUPTION, BULLDOG, KUVASZ, SAMOYED, Exclusive Interviews, Documentation

[livingdustmops]

Is this surprising? When the decision was made to not protect the "Breeds" by having volume breeders, it proved they will do anything for $$$ and the glory of the showring. Is this true of all regristries, probably yes?

I do not understand why they don't DNA every dog if it is a true "pureblood" registry. I fully understand in the past it had to be done on the honesty of the breeders but today...no..they should inclue DNA.

[Woogie Man]

What's surprising to me is just how much dirt comes up in a simple search. I googled 'AKC and puppy mills' and 'AKC fraud' and tons of stuff comes up.

I found one thing where an AKC official was saying that top breeders should work with 'volume breeders' to improve the volume breeders stock. The rationale seemed to be that they (volume breeders) were able to get import dogs to breed so why not have American breeders get in on it.

[livingdustmops]

Yes and I have been saying this for over 4 years but unless you post something people won't research. Look at the thread on puppymills and how long have we talked about how bad puppymills are. I guess you either want to know the truth and try to work with what you are dealt with or choose to put your head in the sand. I was heartbroken when I started down this road and found out the organization I thought was put in place would help protect the dogs and they are not. I just didn't fully understand and now it is not emotional for me as much as what the truth is. Do I think all breeders think the same way as AKC...NO....but I do feel to many follow blindly in their own qwest for being the best.

[livingdustmops]

Yes and I have been saying this for over 4 years but unless you post something people won't research. Look at the thread on puppymills and how long have we talked about how bad puppymills are. I guess you either want to know the truth and try to work with what you are dealt with or choose to put your head in the sand. I was heartbroken when I started down this road and found out the organization I thought was put in place would help protect the dogs and they are not. I just didn't fully understand and now it is not emotional for me as much as what the truth is. Do I think all breeders think the same way as AKC...NO....but I do feel to many follow blindly in their own qwest for being the best.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

This is a little off topic but does show another example of the AKC's lapse of ethics.

PEDIGREE FRAUD 1 - AKC STUD BOOK CORRUPTION, BULLDOG, KUVASZ, SAMOYED, Exclusive Interviews, Documentation

WOW. I really hope people read this link. This is bad.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

WOW. I really hope people read this link. This is bad.

I agree - this is bad .

[Nancy1999]

There have been several threads about the "Q" registration, and basically if a dog doesn't match up with DNA from the dam or sire, a Q is placed by it's name, the Q is removed after three generations, I believe. The YTCA is keeping a list of all the Q registrations, and the Q will stay on their lists. Breed clubs should go one step further than the AKC if ancestry is questionable, and this is something I think the breed clubs are trying to fight. Mardelin has written about this several times, and this is indeed troubling.

[Woogie Man]

I know nothing about Q registrations and have never heard of them. I don't see how in the world a Q registration could explain away this, though.

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"Darla Lofranco, a Canadian, is recognized as one of the top Kuvasz breeders in North America. Darla says her dog Trevor was used at stud when he was away being shown and that it was done without her knowledge or consent, the result being numerous litters illegally AKC registered. Lofranco said “a lot of money” is involved because progeny from some of those litters are being shown by professional handlers and they are winning.

She points out huge financial repercussions could have been avoided had AKC acknowledged its gross error in registering any of these litters. Pain, anger, resentment, all would have been less had AKC made immediate corrections based on simple evidentiary facts:

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Lofranco did not sign as the stud owner.
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Trevor was CKC registered but
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Trevor was ineligible for AKC registration because his breeder/owner Darla, was not a U.S. resident,
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therefore according to AKC rules, he could not legally sire AKC registered litters.

AKC’s solution to Darla’s outraged persistence was to finally cancel Trevor’s registration number (since he could not have been registered anyway) and insert his litter brother’s name and registration number on seven litters. Thus the AKC stud book reflects Trevor's litter brother (Tank) as the sire. Lofranco emphatically states the obvious “they (AKC) don’t tell us who sires a litter, we tell them.”

Everyone understands that the integrity of the stud book depends on the honesty of the person registering a dog or a litter. But when corruption has been proven beyond reasonable doubt, there isn’t a dog owner on the planet who can understand why AKC would fail to correct the stud book. Even worse, how could AKC further corrupt generations of pedigrees by changing the name of the sire!. It happened. Darla sent both pedigrees to prove the unthinkable."

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From the link...

PEDIGREE FRAUD 1 - AKC STUD BOOK CORRUPTION, BULLDOG, KUVASZ, SAMOYED, Exclusive Interviews, Documentation

[livingdustmops]

Here you go Jim..one more reason AKC should be ashamed:

Editorial - April Fool’s Contracts, AKC Does Not Honor Contracts, Only Court Decisions

AKC Conditional Registration - DNA Testing For Fraudulently Registered Dog, AKC's Solution For Pedigree or Stud Book Fraud

[Woogie Man]

Oh, man..talk about circular logic. So, if I read that right, after 3 generations it's like it didn't happen at all?

Love the language they use. It must have been written by the same one that authored their position on volume breeders .

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Oh, man..talk about circular logic. So, if I read that right, after 3 generations it's like it didn't happen at all?

Love the language they use. It must have been written by the same one that authored their position on volume breeders .

As I said AKC just keeps doing things that make you shake your head.

[Woogie Man]

Well, at least some of their actions are being compiled here. If anyone wants to dispute something, I'd like to see it. I'm one of those that thought of AKC as the premier registry but my rose colored glasses have been snatched off.

I've been doing a little looking at UKC. The one drawback to them is they offer no limited reg. as AKC does but we all know you can do an end-around with that. I did find that they have a policy on puppy mills and seem to enforce it. I also couldn't find any major complaints about them so far.

Here's their policy statement on puppy mills. I had to copy it from a talk forum so can't verify it. There is a link but it wouldn't work for me but feel free to try it.
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The UKC puppy mill policy, from their website.

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United Kennel Club was the first dog registry to publish a Puppy Mill policy. During its first eight decades, UKC registered few breeds that were sold through pet shops so puppy mills rarely used the registry. As more breeds were added, the Registration Department was alarmed to discover a few breeders registering large numbers of litters and breeding females at every heat. These practices prompted the formulation in 1990 of the UKC Puppy Mill Policy.

UKC defined a puppy mill as a kennel operation that mass produces puppies for profit only. Numbers alone do not make a puppy mill, since many breeders who register above-average numbers of litters per year have clean facilities and well-cared-for dogs. As a starting point, however, UKC looked at breeders who produced a high number of litters annually and those about whom we received an inordinate number of complaints.

Every breeder who registered ten or more litters per year and every breeder whose practices had been questioned received a visit from a UKC Field Representative. Happily, only a small number of breeders were determined to be operating as puppy mills. Their registration privileges were revoked.

Although the Registration Department continually monitors this problem, UKC's prompt action limited the infiltration of puppy mill breeders into the registry. If you suspect a puppy mill is using the UKC registry, please notify your local animal control authorities as well as the UKC Registration Department. Remember that UKC has no authority to take any action against puppy mills other than revoking their privilege to register dogs with us. The only effective way to shut them down is to work with your local animal control authorities.
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Link...

http://mail.ukcdogs.com/ukcweb.nsf/W...s?opendocument

Here's the talk forum link...

AKC vs. UKC - Puppy & Dog Forums

[dwerten]

i have a question and hope it is on topic lolll

is this why some breeders will only sell their dogs to UKC breeders because they are afraid of them becoming puppy mill or byb breeding dogs in the US - just curious as I was told the breeder demi is from only sells to them now for this reason so wondered why