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04-23-2015, 01:00 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: ny
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| so here's a question for my yorkie lovers So before I begin my rant I'll give you guys background; My friend's mom is searching for a second puppy (one of her dogs jada died last year she was 13) she wanted another puppy to play with jewels ( who's 9 and plays like a puppy). She began her search and asked me to message one of the "breeders" who was asking for $800 for a pup (no problem there) with ver reference but no paperwork . She kept calling the puppy pet quality only. I asked if the parents were registered she replied yes ( so why want the pup?) She became very defensive and began throwing insults about how with anyone with two eyes can see the pup is pure and so is the parents. She also went on to say yorkies are like prada and gucci not everyone can afford one... uh EXCUSE ME!!!! I paid $1100 for my baby but she is registered with the akc and she's still a pet I'm not breeding or showing her. I guess my questions are (1) would you pay $800 for a pup with no paperwork (2) was I wrong for not taking her word and should I.have had my friends mom consider the pup anyway? (3) what would you pay for a pet quality dog |
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04-23-2015, 01:14 PM | #2 |
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| I haven't bought a purebred Yorkie, mine is a rescue...but I have bought AKC Golden Retreivers and Shih Tzu's. First of all, just the fact that its $800. for the puppy is already a huge red flag to me. I think anyone here will acknowledge that a true reputable breeder puts in quite a lot of time, money, experience and knowledge of the pups history..not just the mom and pop in the crate in the backroom. It costs time and money to raise a purebred puppy. So, in my opinion no, I would not pay $800. for a Yorkie in this situation. I would continue my search....try looking into rescue, or expect to get what you pay for. $800. to me is just an expensive non-specific breed (mutt) because you dont know what is in the background. I'm adding something I forgot to say, lol. All of the purebred dogs I've bought with papers were pet quality only I actually paid over $2000. for one of them! He was worth every single penny and more....miss that little guy so much it still makes me cry that he's really gone Last edited by MissSunni; 04-23-2015 at 01:17 PM. |
04-23-2015, 01:19 PM | #3 |
YT 1000 Club Member | Bwahahaha! That's ridiculous! For one, it's not expensive to register a litter at all! Personally, I would buy a pup that was unregistered but only from a breeder I trusted well and definitely not one who was so quick to become defensive about legitimate questions. Any mixed dog can look purebred, so I have to call bs on her saying that anyone with two eyes can see it's a full bred yorkie puppy. I'd pay up to $1500 for a pet quality yorkie, but in my area they are cheaper. |
04-23-2015, 01:26 PM | #4 |
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| does not sound like a person I would want to deal with, if she got that testy with a potential customer think how she would be to deal with after the purchase and if problems were to arise. What part of NY do you guys live, I am from Long Island and know a lot of yorkie people. Would she consider a rescue, I know the people that run yorkie 911 Rescue and they always have dogs of various ages.
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04-23-2015, 02:07 PM | #5 |
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| It's a huge red flag to me when someone is breeding ourebred dogs and not registering them with AKC. They only allow so many litters/registrations per dog. When a breeder isn't registering or is selling without papers, it always makes me think they are overbreeding their dogs, and are trying to make $ from a few litters flying under the radar. Personally, I wouldn't support such a breeder by giving them my money.
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04-23-2015, 02:12 PM | #6 | |
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04-23-2015, 02:14 PM | #7 | |
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04-23-2015, 02:29 PM | #8 |
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| I paid 1500 for my "Pet quality" Roxie..with a spay neuter contrct from Deb Sillers/Amazing Yorkies. And because she will always be a pet ( never shown or bred) "AKC registration is just a piece of paper to me. Other may feel differently. But the price of a pure blood yorkie varies as much as the appearance and temperament of pureblood yorkies does from one dog to the next. But I have seen MANY that were more and less expensive than the 800 this breeder was requesting. The going rate seems to be between 900 and 1500 for a pureblood registered/documented yorkie. I paid 1400 for my previous dog, Chanel- who also came with AKC papers ( which I never filed) Many of the so called "Teacup" breeders ( And I use the term breeders loosely because anyone who knows about yorkies knows teacup isn't a recognized term regarding the breed) Charge anywhere from 2000 and up. I don't think "price" or "papers or not" is the really issue here. The bottom line is you need to buy from someone you trust and like. Her personality and manner of dealing with you and your reasonable questions excluded her from being either of those. Move on, find a breeder who you click with and whose dogs are beautiful to you and don't look back. There are several "Breeders of Merit" here on yorkie talk. May I suggest looking into one of those? You will get a healthier dog, advice from an experienced breeder for the life of your dog should you go that route, and the peace of mind in knowing that the dog you paid so much money for is a wonderful example of the breed ( wether you choose to register it or not)
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04-23-2015, 03:44 PM | #9 | |
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Exactly. If she acts like this before the transaction, I can't imagine what comes after. | |
04-23-2015, 03:52 PM | #10 | |
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Get someone's confirmation that this is the right link, I'm not positive, and give this a search for your area for potential breeders: https://www.apps.akc.org/apps/classi...breed_code=515 | |
04-23-2015, 03:54 PM | #11 |
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| I would not pay $800. without registration papers, something fishy going on there. For a couple bucks more I could get AKC puppy. Sounds like a BYB. Could be a mix. I agree with oneofakind864, papers mean nothing to me, my last AKC pup I didn't send them in, had no plans to breed my girl. But, it's nice to know the breeder reg. their litter.
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04-23-2015, 04:01 PM | #12 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: ny
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| Price isn't the issue I believe she paid 1800 for jada and 2000 for jewels I'm sure she can afford whatever kind of pup she chooses I do know she wants a registered puppy, vet checked from a honest breeder.I didn't think it was to much to ask. The lady is actually still emailing me insults as of 5 minutes ago.if someone is spending all this money they should be able to play 21questions without someone being mean to them |
04-23-2015, 06:01 PM | #13 |
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| I would only support a reputable breeder who strives for healthy, well adjusted babies or I would rescue. An excellent, reputable breeder makes all the difference in the world, and the purchase price is really negligible to me when you consider the costs for properly caring for a little one throughout his/her lifetime. Our breed is being ruined by people who are breeding for the sole purpose of making money. There are some very respected breeders who strive to better this breed and do it because of a deep love and appreciation for Yorkies, but they are not your average breeder. Knowing all of the health risks of Yorkies, I believe it's foolish to purchase one from anyone who doesn't have the highest of intentions. In the Northeast, paying $2000 from champion lines would not be unreasonable. I would never support this breeder. I have not seen this member here for a while, and I don't know if she has Yorkies, but I've heard positive things about Crown Jewels Biewers and Yorkies. I can not speak personally about her, so I would try to find out more about her first. She may be able to recommend other breeders if she doesn't have any Yorkies herself. I'm sure her puppies would be much more than this breeder, but she is striving to produce healthy, happy babies. I'm sure her Biewers conform to the standard since she shows them; I don't know much about her Yorkies, but I remember they were beautiful. Home Page If your friend is looking outside of her immediate area, there are many wonderful breeders. My Katie came from a show breeder just north of Toronto, but without a waiver, puppies must now have a rabies vaccine before they can cross the border.
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04-23-2015, 09:59 PM | #14 | |
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As far as not registering litters, there are many reasons some people do not register litters...when you have a breeder that runs males and females all together so that when a female turns up pregnant, they have NO idea who the daddy's are to that litter....and yes, there can be 4 puppies in the litter from 3 different sires. Now, to register that litter, you have to have all the litter, plus all the males that ran with that female, plus the female, all DNA'd, and THAT costs some chunk of money! And that is if everyone running together is the same breed! If you got another breed running around loose in the mix, registration is questionable....I honest do not know if the AKC is now registering mutts.....if they are, then no problem, if they are not, then no papers for any pup in the litter that is DNA'd and proven to belong to the mutt! Cheaper to just not register the litter! Some breeders will not register the litter because you have produced "outliers"....in other words, the entire litter is throwbacks and they all track to weigh 12- 18 lbs or more!! You do not want to register those dogs because you dont want those huge pups to come under your kennel name! No huge crime being perpetuated on a buyer, and the pups are sold as pets and the buyers are told WHY they are not registered.....of course, they are sold spayed/neutered so they can not possibly be used for breeding, but there is nothing nefarious going on! There are a couple more circumstances where breeders choose to not register a litter, and they are not illegal or crooked or sneaky or trying to "fly under the radar"....I am so sleepy, I can not think of them right off the top of my head. I am just throwing the above facts out there in order to correct the record..... I do not agree with many of these practices, but there are honest people that do this.....sometimes it is one of those infamous "ooops" breedings, and the dogs are all underfoot in the house, and these people do not want to pay for all the DNA testing.....so they just do not register the litter. Nothing wicked or illegal or sneaky happening! Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 04-23-2015 at 10:00 PM. | |
04-24-2015, 02:33 AM | #15 | |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: ny
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I'm sure she's willing to travel since most breeders here are terrible so were looking in all of ny, pa,nj,oh (I know we have to be very careful) in these areas pups start at about 1600. When I got sparkle from a coworker (which is why I got a "deal")who retired after 20yrs of breeding. and my friends mom can't find the breeders of her pups ( she probably lost contact thru the years) so for now we'll keep looking. Thanks ladies | |
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