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Old 03-10-2006, 12:40 PM   #1
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I just wanted to know why people breed? I know others out there want a certain type of breed and they will pay out the wahzoo for it. But do most people breed for money? I have debated on breeding Kloey but the only reason I would is to get the experiece to see her be a mommy and for my kids to be able to see her have puppies, and to have the chance to love her puppies, we have family who would love a Yorkie but can't afford one, I also thought about if I bred Kloey to go to like a childrens hospital and find a child who always wanted a Yorkie and to give it to her just to make her happy. But so many people out there breed out of greed and I just think this is so wrong.
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I think that your idea is fabulous!!!! How caring you must be to want to do that for the less fortunate. We take our yorkies to a nursing home once a month to visit. It is very theraputic for the elderly to pet and love on doggies. It is with an organization called "P.A.W.S. Pets are Working Saints."

I have thought a lot about breeding our yorkie Hobbs. He is 5 months old now and I need to make a decision soon because if I do not breed him then I want to get him fixed ASAP. The only reason I would breed him is so we could keep one of his babies as a stud fee....we really want another yorkie, but we cannot afford to buy one right now...as we are newlyweds and all the ones around here are no less than $850.00.

The thing you have to be careful about with your female yorkie are the risks associated with giving birth because yorkies are so tiny. Other than that, I have never bred any dog that I've ever had, so I cannot speak for those who have as to what their motives are.
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I also take Kloey to nursing homes, I work in a private home setting where we have 2 elderly ladies we care for, and I bring Kloey with me sometimes and the ladies just love her. When I take her out to the nursing home I get such a great responce from the elders, it makes there day.
I would never put Kloey in risk by breeding, since she is my first Yorkie I would only breed her if I had someone with me when she was about ready to pop, but I can't count on someone being here with me. I'm up in the air on it, she is only 9 months old and is in heat right now, so I would never breed her till she is atleast 2 yr old.
I'm torn on the idea!
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I just wanted to know why people breed? I know others out there want a certain type of breed and they will pay out the wahzoo for it. But do most people breed for money? I have debated on breeding Kloey but the only reason I would is to get the experiece to see her be a mommy and for my kids to be able to see her have puppies, and to have the chance to love her puppies, we have family who would love a Yorkie but can't afford one, I also thought about if I bred Kloey to go to like a childrens hospital and find a child who always wanted a Yorkie and to give it to her just to make her happy. But so many people out there breed out of greed and I just think this is so wrong.
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I don't think anyone should breed unless they know what they are doing.
There are Breeders & then there are breeders. There is a difference.

Breeders, breed and keep the quality of the breed. They have the understanding & expertise of the breed. It takes years of studying,
and can not in any way all be learned in a short period of time.

Then you have the breeders, who some might have an understanding of what they are doing, but really have no idea. Some see $$$$$, some just see cute little puppies. But it takes knowledge, and the sad thing is only a fraction of the people have that. It's much more than putting a male & female together.

I prefer to stick with real Breeders, they know what they are doing, and care about the future of their litters. When I started looking for Princess, I was searching Breeders, not puppies. I knew when I found a Breeder, I would also be getting a quality furbaby.
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How do you go about finding a "Breeder"?? How can you tell the difference just by talking to them?
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How do you go about finding a "Breeder"?? How can you tell the difference just by talking to them?

Its very easy, You ask questions, they should have all the right answers about the breed you are looking for. And should have years of experience.
I talked with many, found out that some did not have a clue, and others had the knowledge I was looking for. I don't know much about breeding, and don't plan on it. But when I am looking for a furbaby, I want quality, I also ask for generation history. A good breeder will always have that.
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Here is a chart about breeding. If you take two pets and breed just for the experience of having a litter, you are a backyard breeder and IMO you are risking a lot. No one should breed unless they know the background of both parents AND both parents meet the breed standard. Too many unhealthy and odd looking Yorkies are born b/c people don't know what they are doing.

I am also totally against puppy mills AND large commercial breeders (though several people on here continue buying from them) You may end up with a cute pup, but the parents are left behind in awful living arrangements.

http://www.shilohshepherds.com/puppy...erMatrixv4.htm
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Here is a chart about breeding. If you take two pets and breed just for the experience of having a litter, you are a backyard breeder and IMO you are risking a lot. No one should breed unless they know the background of both parents AND both parents meet the breed standard. Too many unhealthy and odd looking Yorkies are born b/c people don't know what they are doing.

I am also totally against puppy mills AND large commercial breeders (though several people on here continue buying from them) You may end up with a cute pup, but the parents are left behind in awful living arrangements.

http://www.shilohshepherds.com/puppy...erMatrixv4.htm

Very true, The backyard breeders don't even take the parents in for testing before they breed, they just put them together and let them have puppies. Its so sad, yes the test cost money, but they are risking not only the Mom, but the litter too without the tests. You can't expect to get a healthy puppy,
from backyard breeders or puppy mills.
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Just things to consider...

"Up to 10 million healthy animals are killed in U.S. pounds and shelters every year. The killing could easily be prevented by spaying and neutering.
Euthanasia is the single largest cause of death for dogs in the U.S. Each year 27 million of the animals are born. Five to ten million we classify as "surplus" and kill. That's about one million per month. These numbers do not include the millions of dead dogs whose bodies we scrape off the streets, or the hundreds of thousands of abandoned, severely neglected or abused ones who never make it to our shelters to be counted and killed. The five to ten million figure represents those we "must" kill because they are unwanted.
Most of these animals are young and healthy; in fact, it is estimated that a majority are less than one year of age. The problem is simple: we have too many dogs. Too many for the too few homes available. The solution we have opted for is to kill the extras. This solution has been considered acceptable by default, as though there were no other way to control the crisis. And we spend over $1 billion every year destroying "man's best friend."
Why is this happening in the United States today? The number one biggest contributor to the problem is the backyard breeder not the puppy mills.
This is a name that has become unpopular and no one wants to admit they are a backyard breeder. Many people do not even realize they are part of the problem. This is what I need to address in this post. The only way to stop the needless killing of dogs is to stop the needless breeding of them.
Every breed of dog recognized by the AKC has a written standard, a blueprint of what the dog should look like and act like. These standards were written so that all would know what a quality example of the breed is and strive to produce dogs that meet or exceed the standard in health, temperament and appearance. To be sure you are breeding dogs that meet these standards, your dogs must be judged by people who have a lifetime of experience among the breed."
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The very first statement that I make to someone who asks me what can they do to start breeding (or similar questions) is "DO NOT BREED THE FAMILY PET!" Obviously, if you buy a puppy because you want a pet, it is not being sold as breed quality. PLUS, just do a search and you will find the sad and sometimes fatal outcomes of putting 2 dogs together to make babies because 1. I want my kids to see the birth; 2. my family loves my dog and they want one; 3. my dog is so sweet and I want another like it;4. they are just sooooo sweet that I want another one.
Pat and I can tell you from experience that not one of these reasons hold water. There have been many sweet PETS who died during pregnancy or nursing puppies. As sweet and cute as any Yorkie is-you probably are not gonna get another one just like it-even if you use the same parents. Not knowing which lines throw which genetic problems can cause more heartbreak than you can imagine.
So far, in the past year, I am over $10,000.00 in the RED because I have decided to re-direct my breeding program. Even just one litter can cause more heartbreak than you can imagine. Read the posts of both experienced and inexperienced breeders who have lost beloved moms secondary to problems with nursing(eclampsia); she was too small to carry the litter and her organs shut down; or the inexperienced person who had not counted on an emergency c-section, didn't recognize the problems that said one was needed, and had not saved the thousand dollars( or more) for the surgery AND then, still lost the puppies.
Do I sound like I am discouraging the kind of breeding that this post deals with? Well, I am. If you are serious about starting a breeding program, approach it the right way. Research the lines; learn the genetics; get a mentor. Then, after say 3 years, you might be ready to breed as opposed to just making puppies.
Please do not take this as coming from someone who is trying to eliminate competition....responsible breeders can never produce the number of puppies that the buyers are demanding so that is the least of our worries. We have seen the heartbreak that unlearned breeding has caused and we would not wish that on anyone..
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I don't think anyone should breed unless they know what they are doing.
There are Breeders & then there are breeders. There is a difference.

Breeders, breed and keep the quality of the breed. They have the understanding & expertise of the breed. It takes years of studying,
and can not in any way all be learned in a short period of time.

Then you have the breeders, who some might have an understanding of what they are doing, but really have no idea. Some see $$$$$, some just see cute little puppies. But it takes knowledge, and the sad thing is only a fraction of the people have that. It's much more than putting a male & female together.

I prefer to stick with real Breeders, they know what they are doing, and care about the future of their litters. When I started looking for Princess, I was searching Breeders, not puppies. I knew when I found a Breeder, I would also be getting a quality furbaby.
I probably should just keep my mouth shut, but am having a difficult time doing that. I don't refer to myself as a breeder. I raise yorkies, home raise them in my home, just as if they were my own children. I help with the birth until they are adopted. And I check up on my babies long after they leave my next. Yes, I do it for the money, but I'm not making my living from it as most breeders are and I'm told our pups are reasonably priced and have yet to have a disappointed buyer. And, I might add that I have given away some pups to those who have lost their yorkie so it isn't just about the money. The puppies help to fill in the cracks when money is tight around here, which is most of the time. We raise yorkies for loving pets, not for show, and, because we love the breed. Does that mean our quality isn't up to your standards? Probably, but it doesn't mean we don't have quality pups. Does that mean I'm a fake breeder to your standards? Probably, BUT, more importantly, I'm a very caring person who takes very good care of our furbabies and tries to raise them to be socialable, as well as adorable. Am I an expert to your standards? No, but I have studied about yorkies, their potential health problems, etc., and, I seem to have a natural instinct when it comes to animals, and people, and that's why I have a vet. I won't sell to just anyone to make a buck. There are buyers, and then there are buyers. If the table was turned, based on your post, breeders shouldn't sell unless the buyer had studied and knew the breed inside and out. I have spent hours educating new owners. I have actually returned deposits because I didn't feel it was right. And I DO care about the future of our litters. Please don't be offended by my post. JMO
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the majority of animals that are out reproducing over and over with out care belong to people who never should have gotten an animal to begin with. many can not even afford to feed them much less keep them healthy. maybe shelters and such should start having a national spay your dog day, and do it for little or no money, that would really begin to make a difference in the number of animals roaming if people would bring them in. you also have those who may not spay but keep the pets in fences and what have you then here comes the dog from down the street that your neighbor lets run loose all day. again national spay your pet day if you are not going to be responsible with your pet in that manner. i dont know many people who do not let cats run all over when ever they want. i dont understand that at all. how do think to keep them healthy and not pregnant if they roam every place.
i am in fact debating on becoming a breeder, with the coaching of a breeder with many years of experience, just as you have pups to keep a breed going you must have breeders to keep the breed going.
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I probably should just keep my mouth shut, but am having a difficult time doing that. I don't refer to myself as a breeder. I raise yorkies, home raise them in my home, just as if they were my own children. I help with the birth until they are adopted. And I check up on my babies long after they leave my next. Yes, I do it for the money, but I'm not making my living from it as most breeders are and I'm told our pups are reasonably priced and have yet to have a disappointed buyer. And, I might add that I have given away some pups to those who have lost their yorkie so it isn't just about the money. The puppies help to fill in the cracks when money is tight around here, which is most of the time. We raise yorkies for loving pets, not for show, and, because we love the breed. Does that mean our quality isn't up to your standards? Probably, but it doesn't mean we don't have quality pups. Does that mean I'm a fake breeder to your standards? Probably, BUT, more importantly, I'm a very caring person who takes very good care of our furbabies and tries to raise them to be socialable, as well as adorable. Am I an expert to your standards? No, but I have studied about yorkies, their potential health problems, etc., and, I seem to have a natural instinct when it comes to animals, and people, and that's why I have a vet. I won't sell to just anyone to make a buck. There are buyers, and then there are buyers. If the table was turned, based on your post, breeders shouldn't sell unless the buyer had studied and knew the breed inside and out. I have spent hours educating new owners. I have actually returned deposits because I didn't feel it was right. And I DO care about the future of our litters. Please don't be offended by my post. JMO

I loved what you said and how you said it and although I am sure there are several on here that will not agree with you on many topics, I think what you said it how it is. :a big hug to you.hug:
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We live in a free country and breeding for money is perfectly legal.

I do question if it is possible to breed the best quality with all that entails and make enough money to buy much more then a dinner at the Olive Garden once in awhile.
Seriously, after purchasing a quality bitch and top of the line stud service or a male of your own, add all the expenses we incur with vet care, etc etc..what is left? You have to ask Jeff Dane prices to really glean any decent income.
I may sound like a snob, but I can not breed anything to anything and be happy..I want so much to produce a very nice pup of standard quality and I have not found a way to do it and make lots of money.
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