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BamaFan121s · 03-15-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shyorkies

I do NOT feel that someone has to show in order to breed.. That is an option that is entirely up to the person and NO one else! I believe that as long as a breeder loves their dogs and gives them a wonderful home is the most important thing!

Yes...I think that where feathers got ruffled (at least mine) was when it was stated that you can breed, but will never have anything of "quality" unless you show...that it was impossible.

shyorkies · 03-15-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yes...I think that where feathers got ruffled (at least mine) was when it was stated that you can breed, but will never have anything of "quality" unless you show...that it was impossible.

I have seen yorkies in a show ring at times that were at best nothing but pet quality to my eyes, but you have to remember I am nothing but a "wannabe".. You also have to remember that some people place their dogs with handler because of it's quality and they would have a very hard time getting points on the dog themselves! Sometimes in a show ring it is not the dog that wins but the handler! So NO one is any better than anyone else! We all have a right to do what makes us happy, rather breeding or breeding and showing.. Unless you are a puppymill or a broker, then shame on you! JMHO..

I apologize if I said something hurtful! You have never shown anything but love towards your dogs.. You have just as much right to breed as anyone else does!

YorkieRini · 03-15-2006, 12:33 PM

Did I ever send that message in my posts? If I did, I didn't mean to. Gosh, I'm still a byb and a wannabe show breeder....lolol

BamaFan121s · 03-15-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shyorkies

I apologize if I said something hurtful! You have never shown anything but love towards your dogs.. You have just as much right to breed as anyone else does!

Thank you! No, you specifically said nothing hurtful towards me regarding this issue. Furthermore, I am not on the show side and therefore do not personally feel like I am qualified to classify any show breeder of any title.

I think that regardless to if you win, lose, have ever won, lost, bred your dog, bought your dog, picked your dog from a tree...you have my respect and should be commended for dedicating yourself to something positive.

dskeeter1983 · 03-15-2006, 12:48 PM

Ya know we all said some hurtful things on here and I am going to say sorry.
To everyone that I offended , and didnt offend for having to read what I typed . I dont want anymore problems and I am saying sorry because I mean it . thank's

YorkieRose · 03-15-2006, 01:12 PM

Tia..you are very kind in your words..my dogs are "perfect" for me, but by no means perfect..me either!! LOL

Irene..I was just asking another discriminating breeder their thoughts on what is a champion pedigree? I thought you and I had an understanding..we respect each other without picking at each other. LOL

YorkieRini · 03-15-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Tia..you are very kind in your words..my dogs are "perfect" for me, but by no means perfect..me either!! LOL

Irene..I was just asking another discriminating breeder their thoughts on what is a champion pedigree? I thought you and I had an understanding..we respect each other without picking at each other. LOL

Oooooh..lolol. Well heck I would have said that there are champions back there. I didn't realize there are different references of pedigrees.

Yes we do have a mutual understanding. That's why I asked and didn't want to assume. Dang typed words!!!..lolol
Again, Miss Kate is precious

Paisleypup · 03-15-2006, 03:43 PM

Boy, one little question sure opens a big can of worms sometimes! 11 pages just on one girls thoughts to breed her female one time?

Laura · 03-15-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Laura..I missed your response.
I do NOT feel a breeder has to show in order to have quality Yorkies. I bred for many years without showing. In the UK breeders are respected for the dogs they produce, not the titles they win. You may breed quality dogs and never step in the ring and be well respected and be a top breeder..not so here in the USA.

About 15 yrs ago I was challenged at ring side to produce a prospect, show it and finish it IF I could...so I did, I knew I had been producing good quality dogs, but others wanted me to prove it, so I did. THEN I decided to do it again, you get bit.

I think a breeder must use the standard as a guide..buy champion-stud service when needed, or buy a champion stud. Keep good dogs from these breedings, buy quality bitches, go to shows, you do not HAVE to enter, but that is where learn to breed quality dogs IMO.
I am having second thoughts about showing Kate..my heart is not in it today. I have paid my dues and do not care if anyone thinks I am less of a breeder if I do not show again..

You are always so sweet and kind. I have great respect for anyone who shows respect for others. That's the 'real' showing! I think Kate is beautiful and maybe your gorgeous line will live on through those you have chosen to take them (if you are wanting that). When is Kate's show? I hope you will feel better by then. I know you would be proud to make her a little champion! But mainly, you will love her either way. You are a beautiful person and have helped me many times, I hope you are loving Florida!

fl24019 · 03-16-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRini

<My question now is, are you saying it only makes sense not to show if the person is bragging about something they didn't earn? Then is it OK for a show breeder to brag about their champions line if they were not the ones who earned those titles by the predecessors? Just food for thought! >

I am saying that some people like to brag about the CH in their pedigrees (look at puppyfind) and don't know a darn thing about the line but use the word Champion as a selling point. I see those as hypocrites to be honest, because they are also the ones that say..oh showing is ridiculous and means nothing. When infact it does mean something because they use 'Ch lines' as a marketing ploy. And like to brag about it when it's convenient. But when it's not, then showing and championing is nonsense.

I hope you don't take what I said personally.

whispersmom2 · 03-16-2006, 02:08 PM

I am sitting here listening to my stomach growl cause I am too busy reading the bezillion posts on this forum on this topic to make a meal.
I am gonna go off topic here but it bees that way--I grew up half-starved most of the time. I see children's pics every day in the news who are starving and whose parents would give their lives for just a bag of dog food to eat.
I, for one, am feeling guilty spending so much time and passion and money on this topic of showing or not showing dogs! when I feel I could be using this energy "making a difference" in the human species. Will I do it? Probably not...
I apologize if I have offended anyone who feels this topic has not run its course. Maybe it hasn't....I don't know..

yorkieK9trainer · 03-16-2006, 02:14 PM

Yeah, there's a problem w/ the human species population, but some of us feel out lives aren't devoted to that area. We should be, but we choose not to be. I have chosen to not ADD to the people population by not reproducing myself. lol Death is part of the cycle of life and is necc., children die everyday and so do our pets. I'm not bothered either way. I was thankful to not be born into that kind of situation and for those that were, hopefully a helpful hand will come their way. I'm not in the position or mentality to take up someone else's mistake. Not all of those starving children were mistakes, but many were brought into this world by poor choices and I'm ALL for teaching people to make informed, educated decisions than I am to deal w/ the bs brought out by those poor choices. Nature will find a way.

If THIS offends anyway, fine. Sorry to ruin the next five minutes of your life.
In the mean time, I am focusing on only adding to the population problem of Yorkies by making informed, educated decisions and right now that would be for me not to breed. I don't have any Yorkies that would be worth contributing to the breed, although I love them dearly and one in particular is one hell of a working yorkie!!!

red98vett · 03-16-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I, for one, am feeling guilty spending so much time and passion and money on this topic of showing or not showing dogs! when I feel I could be using this energy "making a difference" in the human species. Will I do it? Probably not...
I apologize if I have offended anyone who feels this topic has not run its course. Maybe it hasn't....I don't know..

Rini....I happen to know for a fact that YOU HAVE DONE IT....probably way more than I even know. Rini...you have made a difference in many lives...including mine.....so don't sell yourself short.

I have a few of YOUR stories in my head remember ?

whispersmom2 · 03-16-2006, 02:37 PM

No one can ruin anyone else's life unless they are allowed to. So, yorkieK9 trainer, you have not ruined any portion of my life...Just every now and then, I need to do a reality check in my mind and heart...

yorkiegirl2 · 03-16-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I am sitting here listening to my stomach growl cause I am too busy reading the bezillion posts on this forum on this topic to make a meal.
I am gonna go off topic here but it bees that way--I grew up half-starved most of the time. I see children's pics every day in the news who are starving and whose parents would give their lives for just a bag of dog food to eat.
I, for one, am feeling guilty spending so much time and passion and money on this topic of showing or not showing dogs! when I feel I could be using this energy "making a difference" in the human species. Will I do it? Probably not...
I apologize if I have offended anyone who feels this topic has not run its course. Maybe it hasn't....I don't know..

RINI..I wouldn't feel bad.
I grew up pretty poor too..We ate alot of ham and beans..
We did eat rabbit, squirrel and deer.
There would be good times and bad.
There is nothing wrong with doing anything that make you happy..life is to short not to. Yes, it is a sad fact that people are starving all over the world.
But to stop living your life or enjoying it to the fullest.. would be a shame.

03-15-2006, 12:48 PM	#155
dskeeter1983 YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 380	ok i am sorry. Ya know we all said some hurtful things on here and I am going to say sorry. To everyone that I offended , and didnt offend for having to read what I typed . I dont want anymore problems and I am saying sorry because I mean it . thank's __________________ Live , Love , Learn Callie And Tia Last edited by dskeeter1983; 03-15-2006 at 12:49 PM. Reason: spelling

03-15-2006, 01:12 PM	#156
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	posts Tia..you are very kind in your words..my dogs are "perfect" for me, but by no means perfect..me either!! LOL Irene..I was just asking another discriminating breeder their thoughts on what is a champion pedigree? I thought you and I had an understanding..we respect each other without picking at each other. LOL

03-15-2006, 03:43 PM	#158
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03-16-2006, 02:14 PM	#162
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	Yeah... Yeah, there's a problem w/ the human species population, but some of us feel out lives aren't devoted to that area. We should be, but we choose not to be. I have chosen to not ADD to the people population by not reproducing myself. lol Death is part of the cycle of life and is necc., children die everyday and so do our pets. I'm not bothered either way. I was thankful to not be born into that kind of situation and for those that were, hopefully a helpful hand will come their way. I'm not in the position or mentality to take up someone else's mistake. Not all of those starving children were mistakes, but many were brought into this world by poor choices and I'm ALL for teaching people to make informed, educated decisions than I am to deal w/ the bs brought out by those poor choices. Nature will find a way. If THIS offends anyway, fine. Sorry to ruin the next five minutes of your life. In the mean time, I am focusing on only adding to the population problem of Yorkies by making informed, educated decisions and right now that would be for me not to breed. I don't have any Yorkies that would be worth contributing to the breed, although I love them dearly and one in particular is one hell of a working yorkie!!! __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

03-15-2006, 12:33 PM	#153
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	Did I ever send that message in my posts? If I did, I didn't mean to. Gosh, I'm still a byb and a wannabe show breeder....lolol

03-16-2006, 02:08 PM	#161
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I am sitting here listening to my stomach growl cause I am too busy reading the bezillion posts on this forum on this topic to make a meal. I am gonna go off topic here but it bees that way--I grew up half-starved most of the time. I see children's pics every day in the news who are starving and whose parents would give their lives for just a bag of dog food to eat. I, for one, am feeling guilty spending so much time and passion and money on this topic of showing or not showing dogs! when I feel I could be using this energy "making a difference" in the human species. Will I do it? Probably not... I apologize if I have offended anyone who feels this topic has not run its course. Maybe it hasn't....I don't know..

03-16-2006, 02:37 PM	#164
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	No one can ruin anyone else's life unless they are allowed to. So, yorkieK9 trainer, you have not ruined any portion of my life...Just every now and then, I need to do a reality check in my mind and heart...