Why Breed?

[JeanieK]

I think the experienced breeders are like our Mothers. They want us to avoid the same mistakes that they made. But like all of human nature we all insist on making our own mistakes.

Good thread, everyone is being very respectful.

[YorkieRini]

The only reason I am breeding is because I want to make a difference as a breeder for Yorkies. I love this breed sooo much and it makes me soo sad to see they have become so popular it's out of control. That means the byb and millers jump on the make easy money band wagon. They breed anything for money.
I just read in the AKC Gazette that there were 43,527 Yorkies registered with the AKC in 2004 and in 2005 it jumped to 47,238. That' almost 50 thousand Yorkies just registered by the AKC in 1 year. AKC litter registration stats for 2004 were 28,326 and jumped to 29,919 in 2005. That's just litters of puppies registered by the AKC. Out of that 29,919 4 litters were mind.
Now, keep in mind that doesn't cound UKC, ACA APR CKC or any other registry.

My reason to breed is to make a difference, I want to set an example for other breeders and those considering breeding. I have set the standards in my breeding program high. And I hold myself accountable to them. My main concern is health. I use a reproduction specialist to evaluate my foundation. He tells me what tests I need to do, we are constanty working together to ensure I have health first, not only in my foundtation but also my puppies. Some THINK because I'm dumb and don't have experience. Well it's really because he is an expert when it comes to genetics, reproduction. Because I breeding involves genetics and reproduction I want to use a reproduction specialist involved in my program. IMO it would be dumb not to use one.
Could a regular vet take care of my foundation..Of course, but for me and my objectives for breeding that would be considered settling. I feel the same way about tails, dews, vaccs, I could administer shots myself. I used to do it when i worked at the APL. But again, I would be settling and not living up to the standards I set for my breeding program. I dont' want to settle for that, I feel that's the best I can do for my program is have a specialist involved.

Another thing that bothers me as a breeder is when I see prices of puppies that are not warranted. I want to provide as much as I can without charging more because of it. Infact, I have lowered my prices this year on my puppies and started incorprating Spaying and neutering and blood panels and an additonal year on my guarantee. This is not a business for me but something I enjoy and am passionate about. I do not tally my expenses because that's what they are an expense..lolol. I know I lose money i just dont' want to see how much..I see a desparate need for good hearted honest responsible ethical breeders becuse there are NOT many around.

Showing is also on my to do list for breeding. I want to the be whole ball of wax as a breeder of Yorkies and Biewers, fair, honest, ethical, and hopefully a breeder of champions (no just and exhibitor) someday on top of all this. My mission is to change the world as far as Yorkie and Biewer breeders go, but the only thing I can control is my mouth and my breeding program. So between the 2 of those I hope to get the message out to folks looking for pets dont' settle for less than what I offer in my program or my objectives for breeding. And my standards aren't set, they are always being moved up higher and higher. Maybe that will force breeders into being ethical, honest, and fair. So in nutshell, that's why I breed.

[Sugar's Mom]

If I've offended i'm sorry but i've been offended every single time I hear someone say if your not a show dog breeder then your nothing but a backyard breeder.


I also get offended at this. But, even if I am called a back yard breeder, I am doing all my research and etc. I have no interest at all in showing altho I have a dog thatcould potentially produce show quality pups. I think I will be called a "living room breeder" because my hubby says I have turned our main living room into a dog house. LOL

[yougetthesmiles]

I think I will be called a "living room breeder" because my hubby says I have turned our main living room into a dog house. LOL

I really like that sugars mom!!

[red98vett]

LOL SO do I !!

[Rhanna]

If you want your kids to see an animal giving birth you could try fostering for a rescue organization. I am not trying to offend you by saying this. You would get lots of experience if you did foster. When I worked with rescue I had mum's that had c-sections, prolapsed uterus and many other life threatening situations. You have babies that are paralyzed and have to be euthanized. You see vet bills that are tremendous. It really opens your eyes to what is involved. After all the things I have seen I do not want to breed. I know some people in rescue look down on people who do breed. I do not. You must know what you are doing before you get into breeding. I think if a person can find a good mentor and be involved in their breeding program for a long period of time before they start their own breeding.

[yorkieK9trainer]

I thought this might be good food for thought for you!
Please give it a moment and pay particular attention to the last two paragraphs. This vet not only states facts, but also offers alternative solutions!

http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html

[shelbysmom]

I think some of you are confused by the "reason" people show, and how they treat their dogs. Yes, there are those that show for their ego and mistreat the animals but that is not the norm. Most show dogs are treated well and retired after a healthy time involved in breeding programs. Some are always treated as pets and others become pets after they have made their contribution.

Reputable breeders (whether they are hobby or more experienced) "show" their dogs because their purspose for breeding is to promote the high standards of the breed. If breeders didn't do this the breed would get more diluted with poor breeding and they would all start to look like the mutts that some backyard breeders come up with.

Sorry if that offends anyone but if you consider yourself a backyard breeder you need to rethink what you are doing. There are already enough dogs around, why breed if you don't want dogs that look and act like the breed they are supposed to BE.

There is a HUGE difference between a BYB and a hobby breeder. Please strive for the best with these little animals. This is NOT about the individuals involved, it's about this wonderful breed and what you are contributing.

[yorkieK9trainer]

I understand what you are saying and I actually agree, however...
showing a dog under any kennel club organization doesn't guarantee that those dogs are "worthy" of producing. Those dogs need to be presented under different judges and DO WELL in the ring before it should be bred. There are PLENTY of people who actually spend the money to show and don't do well and I've seen dogs out there that are better from "back yard" breeders than those. Not to say back yard breeders should be encouraged by any means, but showing your dog isn't always enough. The judges need to agree that any particular dog conforms to standard.
ps You can have a genetically defunt dog (that isn't displaying any symptoms) that shows well and STILL shouldn't be bred.
Just my two cents!

Being educated makes for better decisions in life!

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

I understand what you are saying and I actually agree, however...
showing a dog under any kennel club organization doesn't guarantee that those dogs are "worthy" of producing. Those dogs need to be presented under different judges and DO WELL in the ring before it should be bred. There are PLENTY of people who actually spend the money to show and don't do well and I've seen dogs out there that are better from "back yard" breeders than those. Not to say back yard breeders should be encouraged by any means, but showing your dog isn't always enough. The judges need to agree that any particular dog conforms to standard.
ps You can have a genetically defunt dog (that isn't displaying any symptoms) that shows well and STILL shouldn't be bred.
Just my two cents!

Being educated makes for better decisions in life!

I didn't mean to imply that all show breeders are ethical, or that their dogs are worthy of breeding. That is why I stated Reputable breeders (whether they are hobby or more experienced) "show" their dogs because their purpose for breeding is to promote the high standards of the breed.The reason I posted was some people are misinformed about the good reasons people show.


Anyone that is considered a Reputable experienced breeder or a hobby breeder has done and is doing the research that is required to continue with a good breeding program. I don't think that ONLY champions should be used to breed. These breeders have many top quality dogs from good lines that can be used for breeding even though they never walk in the ring.

A good breeder knows what to look for when considering who to keep for breeding and showing and who to sell as pet quality. Pet quality dogs should not be used for breeding and that is what a lot of backyard breeders do.

[Tashasmom]

I admit I am big on Training and agility and I'm not for showing. But if thats what you want to do do it. I'm happy your doing something you love. What bothers me is there are some show breeders out there that think they should be the only ones breeding. They think they are the only ones experienced enough..What gets me is do you really think those type of breeders are breeding dogs so they can offer to the world good quality pups? NO they aren't..they are breeding dogs so they can hopefully get that next champion and then they turn around and sell what they think aren't worth keeping.
I feel that I breed so I can produce good sound quality pups because I LOVE this breed as well as all animals and I want to offer to the world a chance to enjoy what I love ...a pet to love.
I don't have to show to know what the standard is. I don't have to show to know how to care for an animal. I don't have to show to provide quality pups. What I do have to do..is learn..learn all i can about the breed..about breeding..about caring for an animal to keep it healthy..to care for it when its not..ect..ect..
And I too would be a living room breeder lol..

[yougetthesmiles]

I could never afford a Yorkie from a Show breeder, they want wayyyyyyyyyyy to much, so I will stick to you living room breeders

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

The only reason I am breeding is because I want to make a difference as a breeder for Yorkies. I love this breed sooo much and it makes me soo sad to see they have become so popular it's out of control. That means the byb and millers jump on the make easy money band wagon. They breed anything for money.
I just read in the AKC Gazette that there were 43,527 Yorkies registered with the AKC in 2004 and in 2005 it jumped to 47,238. That' almost 50 thousand Yorkies just registered by the AKC in 1 year. AKC litter registration stats for 2004 were 28,326 and jumped to 29,919 in 2005. That's just litters of puppies registered by the AKC. Out of that 29,919 4 litters were mind.
Now, keep in mind that doesn't cound UKC, ACA APR CKC or any other registry.

My reason to breed is to make a difference, I want to set an example for other breeders and those considering breeding. I have set the standards in my breeding program high. And I hold myself accountable to them. My main concern is health. I use a reproduction specialist to evaluate my foundation. He tells me what tests I need to do, we are constanty working together to ensure I have health first, not only in my foundtation but also my puppies. Some THINK because I'm dumb and don't have experience. Well it's really because he is an expert when it comes to genetics, reproduction. Because I breeding involves genetics and reproduction I want to use a reproduction specialist involved in my program. IMO it would be dumb not to use one.
Could a regular vet take care of my foundation..Of course, but for me and my objectives for breeding that would be considered settling. I feel the same way about tails, dews, vaccs, I could administer shots myself. I used to do it when i worked at the APL. But again, I would be settling and not living up to the standards I set for my breeding program. I dont' want to settle for that, I feel that's the best I can do for my program is have a specialist involved.

Another thing that bothers me as a breeder is when I see prices of puppies that are not warranted. I want to provide as much as I can without charging more because of it. Infact, I have lowered my prices this year on my puppies and started incorprating Spaying and neutering and blood panels and an additonal year on my guarantee. This is not a business for me but something I enjoy and am passionate about. I do not tally my expenses because that's what they are an expense..lolol. I know I lose money i just dont' want to see how much..I see a desparate need for good hearted honest responsible ethical breeders becuse there are NOT many around.

Showing is also on my to do list for breeding. I want to the be whole ball of wax as a breeder of Yorkies and Biewers, fair, honest, ethical, and hopefully a breeder of champions (no just and exhibitor) someday on top of all this. My mission is to change the world as far as Yorkie and Biewer breeders go, but the only thing I can control is my mouth and my breeding program. So between the 2 of those I hope to get the message out to folks looking for pets dont' settle for less than what I offer in my program or my objectives for breeding. And my standards aren't set, they are always being moved up higher and higher. Maybe that will force breeders into being ethical, honest, and fair. So in nutshell, that's why I breed.

Re-reading this I sound snobby. Let me also add that I have some great friends that breed and show and but do not run the same program as I do. We respect one another and not bash each others thoughts and programs.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by yougetthesmiles

I think I will be called a "living room breeder" because my hubby says I have turned our main living room into a dog house. LOL

I really like that sugars mom!!

Thank goodness, we have a pretty good family room that we watch tv and etc in with the other two dogs. Pug and poodle. I picked the best room of the house for my yorkies. HEHE

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by yougetthesmiles

I could never afford a Yorkie from a Show breeder, they want wayyyyyyyyyyy to much, so I will stick to you living room breeders

I'll let you know when I have some!!!!!!!! But don't hold your breath.