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Old 04-10-2006, 07:05 AM   #1
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After showing i talked to one of the directors of the Club. Here's how they explained how the IABCA show works:

You earn you rtitles being judged against the standard from the UCI. So we all were good represntations of the Biewer breed because we all were graded SG1s. To receive your American International Championship.You need to have 4 SG1 gradings done. We all have that.

Now, they also put on a show where the breeds compete in classes like the AKC shows. You take your dog out there to compete against others in it's class (age/sex/etc..) the judge pics the 'winners' based on how the dog 'showed' at that moment. These winnings do not go towards you title though. But, you do get ribbons and it's still something to be proud of. It's similar to the fun show that I went to with Foster no points or titles but it's a dang good feeling!!

And the Specialty was a nice exciting xtra show where your dog needed to perform at that moment..thankfully Dice decided to show for me..lolol....Dice earned BSS (Best in Speciality Show) title.

Now the AKC shows do not have this grading system. The only way to earn your title is to compete against others and be top dog. So if this were and AKC show, I think Abigail would be 'top dog' because she moved the farthest. She won the Toy group and moved on to best of rareities.

It would have been the coolest for Abigail to win best of Rareities. The Biewer are like the Jefferson's 'movin' on up'..lolol.

I hope I explained all of the clear enough..

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Oh crap...Best in Specialty Show is abbreviated BISS.
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Hmm...interesting how it is set up and compares to AKC shows! Thanks for that info Irene.

Regardless of who went furthest or who's dog acted like the biggest nut for the judges, I think it is great that you guys ALL did so well. That is really something for you all to be proud of! It speaks volumes for what you are all doing as far as trying to establish the breed when you are all recognized by the "officials" (for lack of better phrase) on the breed!

Congrats to all! You represented well and YT is proud of you!
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Irene thank-you for the wonderful explanation! I would also like to say CONGRATULATIONS to everyone again! What a wonderful weekend you all had!~
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Now, they also put on a show where the breeds compete in classes like the AKC shows. You take your dog out there to compete against others in it's class (age/sex/etc..) the judge pics the 'winners' based on how the dog 'showed' at that moment. These winnings do not go towards you title though. But, you do get ribbons and it's still something to be proud of. It's similar to the fun show that I went to with Foster no points or titles but it's a dang good feeling!!
This part isn't entirely correct here, sorry. No points are awarded here this part is correct. This part of the show goes as follows.

In the puppy classes you are divided into groups by age. Out of the age group you are awarded 1st or 2nd place..

IF you are given 1st Place you move onto contention for Best in Breed.
IF you win Best of Breed you then move onto Best of Group
IF you win Best of Group you go for Best in Show.

So... in conclusion this is not a fun match it is a very important step of moving through the show process.

Hope this helps to understand the process a little more with the IABCA shows..
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This part isn't entirely correct here, sorry. No points are awarded here this part is correct. This part of the show goes as follows.

In the puppy classes you are divided into groups by age. Out of the age group you are awarded 1st or 2nd place..

IF you are given 1st Place you move onto contention for Best in Breed.
IF you win Best of Breed you then move onto Best of Group
IF you win Best of Group you go for Best in Show.

So... in conclusion this is not a fun match it is a very important step of moving through the show process.

Hope this helps to understand the process a little more with the IABCA shows..
Have you been to a fun match?
The fun match runs the same way. You get ribbons 1 and 2nd, and you move on to the other levels. Foster won best of Breed in the fun match. He came in 2nd for the Toy group. He could have won Best in Show. This is not the same? How is it different?

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I actually asked the chairman this question:

'what do I get when I win those classes?' He said the "Ribbons, they don't go towards points or a title or anything".
So to make sure I was fully understanding what he meant I asked:
"So I get an pat on the back?" and he said well yes. So what does that mean??
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I took my fun matches just as seriously as I took the show at the IABCA..The only difference between a fun match and and AKC show is the points. The kennel club I belong to holds them sometimes. We hire judges and there are ring stewards. It's laid back just like the IABCA show. I had Foster all done up I had my table...It's an all breed show just like the IABCA..

Here's Foster waiting to be shown..
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This part isn't entirely correct here, sorry. No points are awarded here this part is correct. This part of the show goes as follows.

In the puppy classes you are divided into groups by age. Out of the age group you are awarded 1st or 2nd place..

IF you are given 1st Place you move onto contention for Best in Breed.
IF you win Best of Breed you then move onto Best of Group
IF you win Best of Group you go for Best in Show.

So... in conclusion this is not a fun match it is a very important step of moving through the show process.

Hope this helps to understand the process a little more with the IABCA shows..
this is what I understood as well...your points are awarded at winners dog just like AKC but points can vary and move up.

for example your dog takes winners dog 2 points; progresses to best of breed and there was a 4 point major in the bitch class the winners dogs points will change to 4 points if he wins Best of Breed, then he progresses to Best of Group, if he wins that class and the highest major within that group was a 5 point then his points will change awarding 5 points.

Now if there was a 5 point major at the beginning (winners dog) your point structure will NOT change if he wins group, he is awarded title only.

lol I hope this is all correct anyone out there that sees any error's please post it, since I am a novice and learning the structure!
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lol I hope this is all correct anyone out there that sees any error's please post it, since I am a novice and learning the structure!
Ahh...but you are novice with a Ch. title in your program!
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Ahh...but you are novice with a Ch. title in your program!
yep but still a novice nonetheless, thanks for that Misty
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this is what I understood as well...your points are awarded at winners dog just like AKC but points can vary and move up.

for example your dog takes winners dog 2 points; progresses to best of breed and there was a 4 point major in the bitch class the winners dogs points will change to 4 points if he wins Best of Breed, then he progresses to Best of Group, if he wins that class and the highest major within that group was a 5 point then his points will change awarding 5 points.

Now if there was a 5 point major at the beginning (winners dog) your point structure will NOT change if he wins group, he is awarded title only.

lol I hope this is all correct anyone out there that sees any error's please post it, since I am a novice and learning the structure!
When showing the puppies you can ONLY get their National and International Titles... If you show in more than one puppy class and continue to get your SG1's this is to let you know as a breeder/handler that your breed is developing nicely and should consider continuing to show when they are adults. To me it is a Honor to get pick as 1st in my puppy class then continuing to move forward. Because on that day, in that ring, with that judge they felt my dog was the best of the representation of my breed... points or not, I am proud.

For the Adults they go under another point structure for achievement their Gold Cup. Since I have only shown puppies so far I am not the expert on the IABCA. Here are the links to this process..

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Even if points are not awarded I would walk up to anyone at ANY show and tell them their Best in Show means nothing.. if I did I think I better be able to duck fast ... I know all the show people feel that it is a Honor to move up this ladder to get these accomplishments...

Since this is the only place that accepts the Biewers at this time this is where I am going to have to hang my hat for showing.. Good, bad, points or no points...
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When showing the puppies you can ONLY get their National and International Titles... If you show in more than one puppy class and continue to get your SG1's this is to let you know as a breeder/handler that your breed is developing nicely and should consider continuing to show when they are adults. To me it is a Honor to get pick as 1st in my puppy class then continuing to move forward. Because on that day, in that ring, with that judge they felt my dog was the best of the representation of my breed... points or not, I am proud.

For the Adults they go under another point structure for achievement their Gold Cup. Since I have only shown puppies so far I am not the expert on the IABCA. Here are the links to this process..

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Even if points are not awarded I would walk up to anyone at ANY show and tell them their Best in Show means nothing.. if I did I think I better be able to duck fast ... I know all the show people feel that it is a Honor to move up this ladder to get these accomplishments...

Since this is the only place that accepts the Biewers at this time this is where I am going to have to hang my hat for showing.. Good, bad, points or no points...
So was I right that Abigayle moved up the farthest? And that is an accomplishment. I was dang proud that Foster went to compete in the Toy Group even though there were not any points awarded. I think the competing part is just as important. Homer showed beautifully, I said that before. Dice was busy sniffing the ground or whatever he didn't put on a show as nice as Homer.

I kind of wish AKC would have the grading system because that gives you a better idea of what they judge thinks of your dog over all.

I hope you didn't take what I said the wrong way. I have to hang my hat next to yours and I will take Foster there too. For experience and because it was fun.
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So was I right that Abigayle moved up the farthest? And that is an accomplishment. I was dang proud that Foster went to compete in the Toy Group even though there were not any points awarded. I think the competing part is just as important. Homer showed beautifully, I said that before. Dice was busy sniffing the ground or whatever he didn't put on a show as nice as Homer.

I kind of wish AKC would have the grading system because that gives you a better idea of what they judge thinks of your dog over all.

I hope you didn't take what I said the wrong way. I have to hang my hat next to yours and I will take Foster there too. For experience and because it was fun.
Not quite sure who all shook out where I just got the BYTCA Specialty show results posted... I am still pooped. lol... But I think Zora walked out with moving the furthest in the Biewer breed. Don't quote me, I will double check. I know Abigayle didn't take the rarities, the judges for this show DIDN'T even look at the Toy Group period.. They were large breed judges and that what was picked..This is the luck of the draw for your judges I guess. I will have to go through my pictures and see if I have some that show what I am saying. The judges stayed at the front where the large breed was and NEVER walked past the Toys..Maybe another day!!

Here is the link for the BYTCA Specialty Show:
http://www.biewertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167

Thank you on your compliment of Homer... My feelings are it was a great day for the Breed!!! regardless who had what at the end. There were 7 Biewers there and this was awesome! I hope to see more and more owners of this wonderful breed to come together and help get this breed known and to take us seriously. This is my Goal for the Biewers! Congrats everyone!

OOPS, sorry got side tracked and now talking about Biewers...lol.
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