Parti Color? YTCA?

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

I guess this is what upsets me more, is the fact there are so many health issues in our breed! But it seems like it is more important to worry about the color of the healthy specimen, instead of worrying about all the health issues in our breed. I know there are parti breeders who do everything possible in producing excellent healthy litters and better what they have.

I use to be pro ytca all the way, but you can only be burnt and hurt so many times. I feel if you are the parent club, you should set an example and make sure all your members breed smart with health being the number 1 concern, not conformation. As they say follow by example.

There are parti breeders who don't give a hoot about health or even the purity of the breed. And AKC and UKC shows are beauty contests. They set those rules. If they required only healthy specimens of the breed to be shown then a CHIC number would be required with each dog entered. We only follow the rules that are set for the competition that we wish to enter.

As for follow by example, again, why don't the parti breeders test their dogs. They seem to think that their dogs are healthier that normal colored dogs... where would they get that idea??

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Elle

I like the bright purple. Nobody can tell. LOL It's always made me laugh when you can tell the handler is sweating bullets about it being noticeable. I like the power ranger reference. I always thought of the jetson's dog before. Was there a purple power ranger?

I didn't realize your were in mourning.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I never said it was right to dye the dog...but a light yorkie is not a DQ. We all know that a yorkie can be a light blue and gold, medium blue, dark steel blue, and black. That is the make up of a yorkie and has been for centuries. Parti's weren't introduced into AKC until what 2000? Those colors are a tri-color. I wish the yorkie standard would follow the silky standard but you don't see a parti silky in the ring. Judges know when a dog is dyed it comes off on their hands. I've seen light dogs bred to darker dogs produce nothing but the nice steel blue. The color is very attainable without enhancements absolutely! My homebred champion is still a nice dark steel blue, my Krissy who has 3 points and 5 years old but never finished because she is too small and spayed is a very nice dark steel blue. My Tucker on the other hand as he got older is a light yorkie but he's neutered and has never been used for breeding just because of him being light. Radar is a medium blue. The bitch I'm showing for someone else is a very nice dark steel blue. So yes, it can be done and is being done.
Does that answer your question?
Pastoral's Hit the Jackpot is a gorgeous DARK STEEL blue and absolutely stunning! So just because some will dye a dog doesn't mean everyone does. I'm just saying if you do it do it right never said it was the right thing to do.

Yes, I'm sure there are some that can but the fact is the offspring may carry the gene for the lighter color.
Really it's no different then breeding a Parti carrier to a standard to take the gene recessive and as long as you continue to breed to a standard you can keep the gene recessive.

Another trend that should be of concern is breeders breeding the extreme doll faced yorkies.
Cute Yes, but can eventually wind up harming the dogs in the long run with breathing problem.
We have seen what can happens by changing the natural appearance of dogs and the health problems it has caused.
Take a look at the founding dogs and how they have changed over the last 100 + years. Terriers then had a nice nose length.
Breeders better wake up and take care that the dogs over the 100 years don’t turn out with Peke faces.

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

the colors I do know about is nothing compared to some maltese breeders who "bleach" their coats to obtain a whiter coat or the poodle breeders that bleach their white poodles...now that is a harsh chemical....
I know we've chatted and I appreciate your kind words. Dyeing and enhancements is not just done in yorkies.

But one has to always remember "health" should be the #1 priority then structure and movement ect...I still prefer the silky color standard but as long as the yorkie standard says what it does I will uphold it to the best of my ability

Donna

How true!! I own a maltese and belong to a few forums so I know a little bit about what goes on. There is a formula many use to bleach the tear stains away and it is very harsh. I can't imagine using something so damaging to achieve that nice white look.
Did you know you could feed your maltese kelp and it helps restore some of the black on their nose that may have faded from lack of light.

Donna I wish more people were like you. You have strong beliefs and stick to them but at the same time you can have a nice debate with someone without belittling them. I've always respected you and your knowledge and I'm glad we have you on this forum.

I personally love the parti look although for me I have a very specific color placement that I prefer.
My main concern for the parti breeders is that they are being called unreputable because of the color they are striving for. I don't think this is fair if they are upholding the rest of the standard and ethics, health testing, etc.
They are after all striving for a goal which is to get them shown. They are trying their best to go about it the right away so how can they be called bad breeders?

[Woogie Man]

My Roger is a lighter steel blue (not silver) and Bonnie is more of a medium tint. The pups they've had have coats that mostly are a bit darker than Roger's. Two exceptions. They had one boy in their first litter with a darker coat and now I have one girl from their last litter that has a very dark coat. It doesn't seem to be 'black' but is really dark (she's in my avatar).

So, my experience has been that you can get great color using a lighter dog. I'd like to see it happen more often, and that's (hopefully) something I can attain in the future. I don't see that you have to be breeding only the ideal color to be breeding for standard, as I think has been implied here. And, even if you do, there's no guarantee that every pup will be that ideal color. Wouldn't it be nice if that were so.....

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

There are parti breeders who don't give a hoot about health or even the purity of the breed. And AKC and UKC shows are beauty contests. They set those rules. If they required only healthy specimens of the breed to be shown then a CHIC number would be required with each dog entered. We only follow the rules that are set for the competition that we wish to enter.

As for follow by example, again, why don't the parti breeders test their dogs. They seem to think that their dogs are healthier that normal colored dogs... where would they get that idea??

LOL and how many yorkies are in the CHIC database?
38

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

So..it's ok to lie and cheat...as long as the end result conforms to the written standard. How can anyone defend showing, finishing and breeding a light dog? Because it's only a color fault...and not a DQ?

That may fool the judges. But what happens when the dye washes clear? They still have light dogs producing light coats in their puppies. I wonder if they include dying instructions in thier puppy packs when they place a show prospect. The sad part is...I have heard that some dye recipes are indeed handed down like grandma's favorite cookie recipe.

It seems that for the most part...there is a color standard set for this breed that is practically unattainable without enhancements.

No, it's not an unattainable color. But it comes with a price. If breeders concentrate on color it's at the expense of structure and attitude. Many of the dogs shown in the UK are examples of that. You haven't a clue what goes into breeding a competitive and healthy yorkshire terrier. How easy you have it...just breed for white patches.

[Breezeaway]

Maybe someone should post a picture of exactly what the right color of blue is for the yorkshire terrier.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

LOL and how many yorkies are in the CHIC database?
38

Truly serious... Only 38 out of the hundreds of thousands of Yorkies out there? How many of the 38 are partis?

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

LOL and how many yorkies are in the CHIC database?
38

This was a typo

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by gemy

Truly serious... Only 38 out of the hundreds of thousands of Yorkies out there? How many of the 38 are partis?

I didnt look at the names, I just looked at the count

[Breezeaway]

Whats a matter Elle? You afraid someone will find out who you are hiding behind your fake name.

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Maybe someone should post a picture of exactly what the right color of blue is for the yorkshire terrier.

That is not possible. For as many dark steel blue dogs you see there will be that many variations of color. It's not a true color, it's a dilution, nor does it breed true. And please don't make suggestions on how to breed for a competitive normal yorkie in color, structure, temperment and health....please!!!

[TammyJM]

Elle,

This will be my last post to you....EVER! I am not on YT to sell puppies....I don't even have any and have only raised 2 litters....can you say the same? Oh, and yes, I'm a new breeder...what is the problem with this?! It's none of your business but since you have decided to attack me like you have, I feel obliged (FORCED) to share with all of YT my reasons!!!!!!!!! I have always dreamed of raising these precious little dogs. When my first baby passed away in her daddy's arm and we were all told that I wouldn't make it, I decided to start living my dreams because life is short. We buried our first baby and told myself that I would never look back on my choices with regret. I am blessed to be able to do just that...live my dreams. I have been through more in my life than I care to share, but feel like I have to tell this part because of your harsh words. This is why I hold no apologies to anyone for my passion towards breeding the parti...I love them, period!

I stand by what I said...you are being rude, but I think that's pretty apparent to most now. If a human being can't see that their are actual feelings/lives behind a commuter screen, then that's very sad.

Having to type this all out has made me feel so sick to my stomache....are you glad?

Tammy

[Cares4Dogs]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Elle,

This will be my last post to you....EVER! I am not on YT to sell puppies....I don't even have any and have only raised 2 litters....can you say the same? Oh, and yes, I'm a new breeder...what is the problem with this?! It's none of your business but since you have decided to attack me like you have, I feel obliged (FORCED) to share with all of YT my reasons!!!!!!!!! I have always dreamed of raising these precious little dogs. When my first baby passed away in her daddy's arm and we were all told that I wouldn't make it, I decided to start living my dreams because life is short. We buried our first baby and told myself that I would never look back on my choices with regret. I am blessed to be able to do just that...live my dreams. I have been through more in my life than I care to share, but feel like I have to tell this part because of your harsh words. This is why I hold no apologies to anyone for my passion towards breeding the parti...I love them, period!

I stand by what I said...you are being rude, but I think that's pretty apparent to most now. If a human being can't see that their are actual feelings/lives behind a commuter screen, then that's very sad.

Having to type this all out has made me feel so sick to my stomache....are you glad?

Tammy

OMG Im so sorry that happened to you. Please accept my deepest condolences.

Dont let anyone get the best of you on YT. Some people want to push buttons as an alernate means of jumping topic when losing a debate.