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kpstoybox · 09-13-2010, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Some of you might like to watch PBS on dogs.
Heres an excerpt from what happened to foxes after taming.
Very interesting.
YouTube - Russian "Tame Foxes"

Very interesting indeed. Color variations can actually be a "side effect"...for lack of a better term...when something is inbred for another trait. Could that be why the parti seems to show up more in "show" lines? Things that make you go hmmm........

yorkielady06 · 09-13-2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Very interesting indeed. Color variations can actually be a "side effect"...for lack of a better term...when something is inbred for another trait. Could that be why the parti seems to show up more in "show" lines? Things that make you go hmmm........

That was very interesting. Maybe the geneticist were on to something there for sure. Has the mother club even spent a day or a dollar trying to research this and our wonderful piebald partis?

Breezeaway · 09-13-2010, 07:12 AM

The "No dogs but show dogs" viewpoint, is a bit forceful. 'Buy your pet only from a show breeder, and one with Champions as well as breed club membership', There is growing belief that only respectable show breeders have worthy dogs.
Show breeders/ethical breeders so often snobbishly proclaim, "we breed only for ourselves!" which establishes them as the "ethical ideal" by the prevailing "good breeder"standard. Some of these viewpoints are born from good intentions, some from ignorance (show people can occasionally be ignorant too, ignorant of the value of respect, courtesy and kindness),others are simply from a need to feel superior and righteous. "Better" really is both subjective courtesy toward others, being responsive towards clients wishes and priorities, offering gentle education,and caring and respect for human and animal beings. For the moment, we are still free to keep and raise dogs, and even do things not approved of by the breed standard. People should be able to make choices, with or without approval, even with or without good judgement. That is freedom. Factual information, (without emotional hype) representing various viewpoints, and opinions presented as just that, opinions, should all be readily available to help buyers be informed.
Then they can make an educated (if they choose!) choice, their own choice.

Woogie Man · 09-13-2010, 07:48 AM

The fox video was interesting. I'm not sure what to infer from it in regards to this discussion, but interesting anyway. Hormones are fascinating little chemicals that do affect a body in many ways. We do know that the extreme piebald effect is associated with deafness. Also there is some linkage between sex hormones and growth rates, which is why I'm against very early spay and neuter. And then you have certain cancers that are considered hormone driven. It's all very interesting, and not just for dogs.

I don't think you can lay this at the feet of the YTCA. Research in this area should be done (and I hope that it is), but is much too big a project for a breed club,registry, etc. to sponsor. It really goes beyond just canines.

Breezeaway · 09-13-2010, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogie Man

The fox video was interesting. I'm not sure what to infer from it in regards to this discussion, but interesting anyway. Hormones are fascinating little chemicals that do affect a body in many ways. We do know that the extreme piebald effect is associated with deafness. Also there is some linkage between sex hormones and growth rates, which is why I'm against very early spay and neuter. And then you have certain cancers that are considered hormone driven. It's all very interesting, and not just for dogs.

I don't think you can lay this at the feet of the YTCA. Research in this area should be done (and I hope that it is), but is much too big a project for a breed club,registry, etc. to sponsor. It really goes beyond just canines.

I have no intention of sending it to YTCA, I just thought it was interesting how they started coming out spotted.

Woogie Man · 09-13-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I have no intention of sending it to YTCA, I just thought it was interesting how they started coming out spotted.

Oh, I was commenting in general. I think it was someone else that asked how much the YTCA had spent on this. It is interesting in many ways. I would like to see the other videos as that one was not the whole story. They didn't seem to be posted on You Tube.

Breezeaway · 09-13-2010, 08:08 AM

For those of you that would like to watch the program it is airing on PBS this month and its called "Dogs that Changed the World"
Its in 2 parts.
Dogs That Changed the World - Introduction - Dog Breeds | Nature

Woogie Man · 09-13-2010, 08:12 AM

Thanks for that. I'll keep an eye out for it airing in my area. I watch PBS a lot.

darbygale · 09-13-2010, 09:02 AM

I have no intentions of getting into an argument about the partis vs regular colored yorkies, but..........Does it not seem strange that Nikko did not have one parti colored yorkie until she got Ashley and either one or two bitches back from a BYB/Miller in OK that also bred Maltese. And are you aware that doing DNA on a dog only proves that the sire and dam are the parents of the get that is dna'd? It does not prove the dog is not of mixed breeding. The tests that they have out now like MARS,Wisdom Panel, are not 100% proof of anything. They even state they are not for proving a dog is a purebred. There was a report several months ago that the same dogs were tested by different companies touting the recognition of what breed a dog was and they came up with different results. I certainly would not be hanging my hat on these DNA tests. They can prove if a particular dog or bitch are the parents of a particular puppy and that is all.

yorkiekist · 09-13-2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkielady06
Oh come on. Just because you groomed a few cockers who did this you cannot make this a genetic thing. This is crazy. I showed/raised Cockers almost 20 years ago and never had those issues. Mine were all house trained and never had accidents on their hours sitting on a grooming table. Maybe the dogs sensed your hostility or dislike of them...
My last cocker went over the rainbow bridge 2 years ago and she was champion titled and lived to be 15 years old and never once pottyed in the house after the age of 12 weeks! How many yorkie owners can say that? How many exhibitors of yorkies can say that?
To make statements about a breed like that shows me quite a bit about you and to generalize it even more about the parti color of that breed and the health issues that the cocker is experiencing now is not factual information. Then to even try to link that to the parti colored yorkie talk about far fetched
“It was a joke, ok? I guess you missed it. But is was an annoying trait that these 30+ dogs had. I am not kidding, every one of them crapped on the table after the bath.
I dont have any hostility or dislike of them. I cant believe you actually said that. The other 2 groomers had the same problem, it wasnt just me. Did you even read my post? You know nothing about me and never will. And just where did I link it to the parti color???? Didnt you see the laught smilie at the end of the post? YOu really take the cake.”
Yorkist: I apologize to you. The stretch from parti cocker to parti yorkie was not you. However up to that point I leave as my statement. Just because you groomed cocker and "all" of them relieved themselves on YOUR table means nothing about the breed in general.

Also do you show yorkies? Skyes? Labs?

i guess the Cockers in AZ had that trait!LOL I kid you not, they all did it. It wasnt just one grooming shop either. I groomed my neighbors cockers at my house and they did the same thing. And it want just MY table either.

I am currently starting out a Skye puppy. I have no Yorkies to show at this time. I havent shown a lab in years.

Breezeaway · 09-13-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by darbygale

I have no intentions of getting into an argument about the partis vs regular colored yorkies, but..........Does it not seem strange that Nikko did not have one parti colored yorkie until she got Ashley and either one or two bitches back from a BYB/Miller in OK that also bred Maltese. And are you aware that doing DNA on a dog only proves that the sire and dam are the parents of the get that is dna'd? It does not prove the dog is not of mixed breeding. The tests that they have out now like MARS,Wisdom Panel, are not 100% proof of anything. They even state they are not for proving a dog is a purebred. There was a report several months ago that the same dogs were tested by different companies touting the recognition of what breed a dog was and they came up with different results. I certainly would not be hanging my hat on these DNA tests. They can prove if a particular dog or bitch are the parents of a particular puppy and that is all.

Where is your proof that Gloria got 2 females from this breeder? Who was this breeder? What were the dogs names? Where is your proof?

yorkielady06 · 09-13-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

i guess the Cockers in AZ had that trait!LOL I kid you not, they all did it. It wasnt just one grooming shop either. I groomed my neighbors cockers at my house and they did the same thing. And it want just MY table either.

I am currently starting out a Skye puppy. I have no Yorkies to show at this time. I havent shown a lab in years.

Well good luck with the Skye..I have not seen one in years.
I have never had a cocker do that. However, had 3 bichons that did.

yorkiekist · 09-13-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Very interesting indeed. Color variations can actually be a "side effect"...for lack of a better term...when something is inbred for another trait. Could that be why the parti seems to show up more in "show" lines? Things that make you go hmmm........

And what "show" lines are producing partis except the coveted Nikko line?

yorkiekist · 09-13-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkielady06

Well good luck with the Skye..I have not seen one in years.
I have never had a cocker do that. However, had 3 bichons that did.

I never groomed a bichon. Lots of cockers, schnausers, mixes, toys and some bigger breeds.
Lacy is a drop dead gorgeous girl!!! Cant wait to get her into the ring!

kpstoybox · 09-13-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And what "show" lines are producing partis except the coveted Nikko line?

I guess you haven't paid much attention to this thread.

09-13-2010, 07:48 AM	#694
Woogie Man Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,564	The fox video was interesting. I'm not sure what to infer from it in regards to this discussion, but interesting anyway. Hormones are fascinating little chemicals that do affect a body in many ways. We do know that the extreme piebald effect is associated with deafness. Also there is some linkage between sex hormones and growth rates, which is why I'm against very early spay and neuter. And then you have certain cancers that are considered hormone driven. It's all very interesting, and not just for dogs. I don't think you can lay this at the feet of the YTCA. Research in this area should be done (and I hope that it is), but is much too big a project for a breed club,registry, etc. to sponsor. It really goes beyond just canines. __________________ ORANGUTANS ARE DYING FOR THE SAKE OF CHEAP PALM OIL....AND YOU USE IT!!! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ani...m-oil-you.html

09-13-2010, 08:12 AM	#698
Woogie Man Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,564	Thanks for that. I'll keep an eye out for it airing in my area. I watch PBS a lot. __________________ ORANGUTANS ARE DYING FOR THE SAKE OF CHEAP PALM OIL....AND YOU USE IT!!! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ani...m-oil-you.html

09-13-2010, 07:12 AM	#693
Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	The "No dogs but show dogs" viewpoint, is a bit forceful. 'Buy your pet only from a show breeder, and one with Champions as well as breed club membership', There is growing belief that only respectable show breeders have worthy dogs. Show breeders/ethical breeders so often snobbishly proclaim, "we breed only for ourselves!" which establishes them as the "ethical ideal" by the prevailing "good breeder"standard. Some of these viewpoints are born from good intentions, some from ignorance (show people can occasionally be ignorant too, ignorant of the value of respect, courtesy and kindness),others are simply from a need to feel superior and righteous. "Better" really is both subjective courtesy toward others, being responsive towards clients wishes and priorities, offering gentle education,and caring and respect for human and animal beings. For the moment, we are still free to keep and raise dogs, and even do things not approved of by the breed standard. People should be able to make choices, with or without approval, even with or without good judgement. That is freedom. Factual information, (without emotional hype) representing various viewpoints, and opinions presented as just that, opinions, should all be readily available to help buyers be informed. Then they can make an educated (if they choose!) choice, their own choice.

09-13-2010, 08:08 AM	#697
Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	For those of you that would like to watch the program it is airing on PBS this month and its called "Dogs that Changed the World" Its in 2 parts. Dogs That Changed the World - Introduction - Dog Breeds \| Nature

09-13-2010, 09:02 AM	#699
darbygale Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Posts: 42	I have no intentions of getting into an argument about the partis vs regular colored yorkies, but..........Does it not seem strange that Nikko did not have one parti colored yorkie until she got Ashley and either one or two bitches back from a BYB/Miller in OK that also bred Maltese. And are you aware that doing DNA on a dog only proves that the sire and dam are the parents of the get that is dna'd? It does not prove the dog is not of mixed breeding. The tests that they have out now like MARS,Wisdom Panel, are not 100% proof of anything. They even state they are not for proving a dog is a purebred. There was a report several months ago that the same dogs were tested by different companies touting the recognition of what breed a dog was and they came up with different results. I certainly would not be hanging my hat on these DNA tests. They can prove if a particular dog or bitch are the parents of a particular puppy and that is all.