Parti Color? YTCA?

[Cares4Dogs]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

Oh come on. Just because you groomed a few cockers who did this you cannot make this a genetic thing. This is crazy. I showed/raised Cockers almost 20 years ago and never had those issues. Mine were all house trained and never had accidents on their hours sitting on a grooming table. Maybe the dogs sensed your hostility or dislike of them...
My last cocker went over the rainbow bridge 2 years ago and she was champion titled and lived to be 15 years old and never once pottyed in the house after the age of 12 weeks! How many yorkie owners can say that? How many exhibitors of yorkies can say that?
To make statements about a breed like that shows me quite a bit about you and to generalize it even more about the parti color of that breed and the health issues that the cocker is experiencing now is not factual information. Then to even try to link that to the parti colored yorkie talk about far fetched

Bravo....thank you

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by peachbongi

Can anyone show research on the Parti?

It is written in one of history books that a little maltese may have slipped into the breed in the 1800s. True or not I don't know.

Point is that if the white gene shows up in a litter than it is a fault.

Not accepted by AKC, YTCA or show rings.

No one knows where the white got into the mix. but after DNAing 42 litters and their ancestors, the AKC is satisfied that the color occurs naturally in purebred yorkies.

They are AKC.

[Elle]

Originally Posted by topknot

I got a cocker once when my kids were in elementary school and it smapped at them. Also had a hard time trainging it to go outside. I ended up taking it back to the breeder. I just tried everything to get from snapping. The pitty mistakes I could handle. Snapping at my kids, no! And the kids would sit on the sofa and we would let her come up to us and still and movement and snap she would go. I am not saying all cockers do this - but the one we had sure did.

Not sure if they still are, but they were the #1 biters. I wouldn't want a cocker bite on the face of a child. I love the ears on them. Have you seen Linda Pitt's cocker?

I've been bit more by maltese than any other.

[lisaly]

I had work to get done today, and I stayed reading this thread far too long. I left to get some of my work done, and have now returned to this thread. I never thought I would see this thread come to this. I am probably very naive, and I got involved in the first place because I didn't like to see anyone being hurt here. I understand that people don't see eye to eye on this because of their passion for this breed. I didn't think I would see such hatred come out. I know it involves just some people here, but it has made me very sad. No one here is abusive any animals, and they just love their Yorkies. I am so sorry that I got involved in this discussion and that I hurt people in the process because of my involvement.

[Cares4Dogs]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

No one knows where the white got into the mix. but after DNAing 42 litters and their ancestors, the AKC is satisfied that the color occurs naturally in purebred yorkies.

They are AKC.

You know what I dont get, is why YTCA denies this. I went back and reread what they had to say about parti yorkies and I copy this from their site:

Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers?
Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.

Now what I want to know is why they decided to disqualify them based on how much money breeders sell them for??? Is that YTCA's business to tell breeders what they can and cannot charge (especially of parti breeders who are not members)??? I cant believe they are calling the parti yorkie a "designer dog" when DNA proves otherwise.

I guess my white chocolate cake wouldnt be to their satisfaction because I paid more for it than a traditional homemade chocolate cake. LOL Where is their 18th century reasoning coming from I wonder.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by lisaly

I had work to get done today, and I stayed reading this thread far too long. I left to get some of my work done, and have now returned to this thread. I never thought I would see this thread come to this. I am probably very naive, and I got involved in the first place because I didn't like to see anyone being hurt here. I understand that people don't see eye to eye on this because of their passion for this breed. I didn't think I would see such hatred come out. I know it involves just some people here, but it has made me very sad. No one here is abusive any animals, and they just love their Yorkies. I am so sorry that I got involved in this discussion and that I hurt people in the process because of my involvement.

Lisa, you did nothing. This has always been a very heated discussion on YT.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by lisaly

I had work to get done today, and I stayed reading this thread far too long. I left to get some of my work done, and have now returned to this thread. I never thought I would see this thread come to this. I am probably very naive, and I got involved in the first place because I didn't like to see anyone being hurt here. I understand that people don't see eye to eye on this because of their passion for this breed. I didn't think I would see such hatred come out. I know it involves just some people here, but it has made me very sad. No one here is abusive any animals, and they just love their Yorkies. I am so sorry that I got involved in this discussion and that I hurt people in the process because of my involvement.

Lisa~

You are such a sweet and precious member of Yorkietalk!! The parti discussion is typically like this, unfortuantely.

Hugs!
Tammy

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Elle

Your opinion means nothing to me and hundreds of thousands of people that care about the history and future of the breed.

It's just your opinion to me because I don't want to buy a puppy.


Here's more information on this parti dog.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

Originally Posted by gemy

And just why wouldn't a registry be usefull?

It's a recessive gene. It's not going to help to know who's had it. You have to understand genetics to understand how it works.

We used to think it was this dog, that dog. Having someone to blame made it make sense. It's more complicated than this.
Current research leads us to believe that liver shunt is a dominant trait with incomplete penetrance and no genetic marker yet. To further complicate things, no conclusion has been reached yet as to whether or poly-genetic. Because it's a dominant trait only one parent needs to be a carrier in order to produce liver shunt. But because there is no genetic marker we have no idea who the carrier is. You can breed a dog 25 times and never have a problem. Then breed him to a bitch that's been bred 3 times without a problem. Out of nowhere, this breeding it may reveal it's ugy head. Sharon Centers is working on a genetic marker. We're closer than ever.

You should do bile acids on puppies. However this is not going to tell you if they are carriers or not. It is a dominate recessive gene. We need a genetic marker.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs

You know what I dont get, is why YTCA denies this. I went back and reread what they had to say about parti yorkies and I copy this from their site:

Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers?
Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.

Now what I want to know is why they decided to disqualify them based on how much money breeders sell them for??? Is that YTCA's business to tell breeders what they can and cannot charge (especially of parti breeders who are not members)??? I cant believe they are calling the parti yorkie a "designer dog" when DNA proves otherwise.

I guess my white chocolate cake wouldnt be to their satisfaction because I paid more for it than a traditional homemade chocolate cake. LOL Where is their 18th century reasoning coming from I wonder.

It is very funny that on one hand they say the color does not exist, and then turn around and DQ it. If it doesn't exist, then why do the need to DQ it.

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Have you always been such a Nasty person?

Have you?

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by Elle

I'm glad you brought that up. You talk about changing our standard. Standards are almost never changed. You are asking us to change it to alter to to allow something we do NO want in our breed.


Last and most important because you just are not getting this. We are not in a cave, it's not us, it's is YOU that won't listen. We just changed our standard. We just changed it. We just changed it intentionally to make sure that you would know: we do NOT WANT any kind of white dog in our ring. There is nothing more to talk about. You are intentionally breeding a faulted dog for profit. Sugar coat it with the finest sugar cane you still have a disqualified dog. Sneak it in, dye it, whatever the horrible ethics drive you to do. You still have a dog that isn't accepted by any of the hundreds of thousands of people in the dog fancy. Not so ingenious, just another person looking for the shortcut in life.

Showing our breed is difficult. It's hard to do. I've yet to find a real show person interested in this white dog. It's just to sell puppies.

[Elle]

Originally Posted by peachbongi

Can anyone show research on the Parti?

It is written in one of history books that a little maltese may have slipped into the breed in the 1800s. True or not I don't know.

Point is that if the white gene shows up in a litter than it is a fault.

Not accepted by AKC, YTCA or show rings.

Aside from the AKC allowing liter registrations for money? Nope. They didn't exist until recently. They're a new trend. This is why the oldtimers won't have anything to do with them. All of the liters they've had, never seeing or hearing of them. Some people that had maltese also had yorkies. They resemble the Tzu, fox terrier, some other breeds as well.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Elle

Aside from the AKC allowing liter registrations for money? Nope. They didn't exist until recently. They're a new trend. This is why the oldtimers won't have anything to do with them. All of the liters they've had, never seeing or hearing of them. Some people that had maltese also had yorkies. They resemble the Tzu, fox terrier, some other breeds as well.

Your opinion on the resemblance, nothing more.
Have you spoken with every single person that has Yorkshire terriers in the United States?
They are not a new trend, they have been around for long time. It's just that the show people kept it so hush hush for fear of being found out that their dog threw a mismarked puppy. Sad to say but it does still go on the putting down of these puppies by show breeders. I know it does.
Elle, I understand you believe in the standard but to come on here and verbally abuse people is just wrong in so many ways.
The only thing in this thread that I ask of the YTCA was to just talk to our club about the parti.
BTW are you a member of the YTCA? Don't you have a code of ethics and conduct?

[Breezeaway]

And we are looking into this type of DNA Testing from a certain company:
"Now, by DNA testing, we can successfully predict the future coat as well as nose colors of puppies. This information can be crucial to satisfy breed standards for dog registration. Using DNA testing to determine the hidden colours of the dam and sire can assist you in choosing the best partners for your breeding stock."

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Your opinion on the resemblance, nothing more.
Have you spoken with every single person that has Yorkshire terriers in the United States?
They are not a new trend, they have been around for long time. It's just that the show people kept it so hush hush for fear of being found out that their dog threw a mismarked puppy. Sad to say but it does still go on the putting down of these puppies by show breeders. I know it does.
Elle, I understand you believe in the standard but to come on here and verbally abuse people is just wrong in so many ways.
The only thing in this thread that I ask of the YTCA was to just talk to our club about the parti.
BTW are you a member of the YTCA? Don't you have a code of ethics and conduct?

Actually the show breeders haven't seen parti color puppies pop up in litters. And that is one reason most are sure that they're not the result of recessive genes but a cross breeding. The sad thing is that because parti color carriers look normal we will have them start to pop up. Because a few breeders were not ethical enough to sell the first parti color pups as pets and spay and neuter the dogs who produced them we now have a terrible situation in this breed.