Going from caves to where we are today has been pain staking. It was not done over night. There were mistakes made along the way.

I am simply stating that are we willing to take that risk? We are already out of the cave.

Have we REALLY seen Biewers and Partis long enough to know of any hidden dangers? Again, if you research the history of the Yorkie you will know the breed was not come about over night. We are talking hundreds of years.

Many yorkshire terriers being bred to the standard with health being the first concern. This is a good reason to become part of a breed club. A couple of breeders here do not dictate the breeders of the breed. They are seeking buyers for their puppies.

Designer breeds hurt purebreds.

My 2 cents
 

I've read the insulting comments about the parti yorkie breeders. Parti yorkies are not going to ruin the standard lines. Breeders protect THEIR lines and research before adding a new bitch or stud to their lines. If a parti unexpectedly pops up, you have the choice to eliminate them from coming up again. Its in your hands. Nobody is being forced to breed parti yorkies.

I'm tired of reading on here that if you have a parti your contributing to unethical breeding practices and ruining the yorkie standard. How can a parti yorkie ruin the yorkshire standard when they've been popping up in lines for years?

We as humans come in different colors and if we shun one color, we're racist, but does a color difference make us any less human??? No. Parti yorkies have been proven to be yorkies and thats why AKC is now registering them as purebred.

Some people are so worried about their lines, but the truth is is that they have the ability to control what comes up in their lines. Its a choice. Dont kick the rest of those who are open to color variation. I'd rather a beautiful color variation than a 5 legged roach-back & monkey-looking yorkie.

Why not accept a beautiful color variation? why? Nobody is forcing traditional colored yorkies to breed partis. You feel passionate about your breeding program, but so do those who breed partis. Breeding partis doesnt make someone unethical. Besides that...what gives you the right to go around policing other peoples ethics????? Is there anyone here who actually has an ethics badge..cuz if so I really want to see it.

so so very well said :thumbup::thumbup:

Because this deer is spotted does it make him not a deer?
The piebald gene does show up in numerous animals and guess what some humans have the piebald gene. I guess the Shih Tzu really gets around doesn't it.

I'm glad you brought that up. You talk about changing our standard. Standards are almost never changed. You are asking us to change it to alter to to allow something we do NO want in our breed.


Last and most important because you just are not getting this. We are not in a cave, it's not us, it's is YOU that won't listen. We just changed our standard. We just changed it. We just changed it intentionally to make sure that you would know: we do NOT WANT any kind of white dog in our ring. There is nothing more to talk about. You are intentionally breeding a faulted dog for profit. Sugar coat it with the finest sugar cane you still have a disqualified dog. Sneak it in, dye it, whatever the horrible ethics drive you to do. You still have a dog that isn't accepted by any of the hundreds of thousands of people in the dog fancy. Not so ingenious, just another person looking for the shortcut in life.

Showing our breed is difficult. It's hard to do. I've yet to find a real show person interested in this white dog. It's just to sell puppies.

Uhhhh I know a show breeder interested. Your speaking for a clique and not for an entire world of show breeders.

:thumbup::thumbup: Great point made.

Breeding different colors is unethical breeding.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

Thank you Lisa and Jen....and yes, you are right Jen....I am in tears over your kind words. :) ;)

I agree with you Lisa and how there was a blanket statement made about me, as a parti breeder, not being honorable and selling "designer dogs". First of all, write what you like....my parti girl is a purebred Yorkie so her babies are not designer puppies. Write what you may about me and even say that I am not honorable, if you must. It does not matter to me because I know my heart and the people that matter to me, also know who I am. I do think that you should refrain from making such drastic character attacks. I have my own opinions of you, but have never written them....

Can I see your ethics badge?

AKC accepts them.. thats the same registry your yorkies are registered with?

I have read this "debate" almost daily, and am still confused. Why did the breed club feel the need to put in a DQ for parti colored dogs? Why if it is a DQ, does the AKC allow parti's to be registered as Yorkies?

As others have posted here, including Lisaly, a membership in a breed club, in no way guarantees ethical breeding practices.

To paint every Parti breeder as unethical is a brush too broad for my liking. To ascribe only one motive for their breeding practices is sheer hubris.

I support Lisaly when she says there is a very wide variation in the "look" of the Yorkie. Particularly non show yorkies, but also within the show yorkies as well.
I rarely see Yorkies on the very busy streets of Toronto, but when I do most often I have to look two or three times, to actually see that it is a Yorkie.

So the breeders of standard color Yorkies indeed have some work cut out for them. The serious health concerns of Yorkies is a major task. ,not to mention coat and color variations.
How close is the breed club and the research they support; in identifying the LS gene or genes? What about LP ? luxating Patella? Where is the database for LS?

Our beautiful breed is under tremendous pressure, with all the indiscriminate breeding practices I've read about here.

I would hope that be you standard or parti breeder, that each and every reputable breeder would a) try to do what they can to stamp out this indiscriminate breeding. and b) support research to identify LS and not to breed LS dogs.

On a more general note; there was one poster who alluded to the fact that designer "mutts" are a threat to the purebred dog. In my opinion they are spot on!.

I share one small story on this note; my husband who is very proud of our purebreds, has an acquaintance who admired so much our dogs, and sought his advice on the purchase of a dog for his family. He spent several hours with him, to help him select the right temperament, and fit for his family. Well fast forward 4wks later, he tells Dave he selected a mini GoldenDoodle. He was paying $2500 for this dog, and asked Dave if that price was in the right range? The range of what, pray tell? Dave said, I can't help you out here, this is a mutt, I have no idea if you will get the temperament, and or the size you want. He said that if he wanted a mutt, why not go to the pound for a dog? He said well he wanted hypoallergenic and non shedding dog. Oh boy, well is the breeder of this mutt, guaranteeing that? He said; I don't know. Well what does your contract state? Contract? "from the buyer" What are your health guarantees? Well the buyer, asked none of these questions, and apparently has a simple agreement of purchase/sell from the breeder.

And this from a supposedly well educated man. Laying down $2500 for a mutt, with no contract, with no health guarantee, with minimal questions asked of the breeder.

AS purebred dog fanciers, lovers, enthusiasts, we need to take the message out there. Why buy purebred???

They've been proven to be purebred yorkies and AKC is registering them now. Once upon a time, they were put down at birth and the secret brushed under the rug. I guess that was ethical in some peoples mind.

I have an aunt who purchased 4 purebreds in the past. All ended up with cancer at very young ages (yorkies and westies). She's afraid to buy purebred again and has no dogs at this time because she's afraid of the heartache. I agree, health should be #1, but nobody has proven parti yorkies are unhealthy. I've never heard of one having any issues. I guess there were rumors from those who will go to any length to protect their lines. I've never skimmed the emergency section of YT to see if any partis have had any documented health issues on here, but from what I have seen its all been traditional colored yorkies so its not fair for anyone to point fingers and single out the partis based on color alone.

I think I'm tired of seeing the ethics finger being pointed at parti breeders based on coat color alone. I think someone needs to come up with proven facts before calling anyone unethical. I'm tired of the whole "my dog is better than your dog" grade school type behavior.

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Originally Posted by peachbongi
Going from caves to where we are today has been pain staking. It was not done over night. There were mistakes made along the way.

I am simply stating that are we willing to take that risk? We are already out of the cave.

Have we REALLY seen Biewers and Partis long enough to know of any hidden dangers? Again, if you research the history of the Yorkie you will know the breed was not come about over night. We are talking hundreds of years.

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Quote: Originally posted by Elle
I'm glad you brought that up. You talk about changing our standard. Standards are almost never changed. You are asking us to change it to alter to to allow something we do NO want in our breed.


Last and most important because you just are not getting this. We are not in a cave, it's not us, it's is YOU that won't listen. We just changed our standard. We just changed it. We just changed it intentionally to make sure that you would know: we do NOT WANT any kind of white dog in our ring. There is nothing more to talk about. You are intentionally breeding a faulted dog for profit. Sugar coat it with the finest sugar cane you still have a disqualified dog. Sneak it in, dye it, whatever the horrible ethics drive you to do. You still have a dog that isn't accepted by any of the hundreds of thousands of people in the dog fancy. Not so ingenious, just another person looking for the shortcut in life.

Showing our breed is difficult. It's hard to do. I've yet to find a real show person interested in this white dog. It's just to sell puppies.

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Not trying to add to the argument but, Elle, I think Peachbongi was advocating for NOT changing the standard to allow variations. If you re-read her post, I think it was in reply to someone who is for changing.