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puppylove11

09-14-2010 09:01 PM

First off I would like to apologize to Tammy for starting this thread. I am sorry for the heartache you have been through and did not mean to cause you more.

The reason I started this thread was so more people could become educated when it comes to the yorkie breed. So more breeders would know health is the number one concern and everything else falls second, including color. There are some very passionate parti breeders who are going beyond the normal to make sure they are breeding health first. We should be telling them thank-you instead of ripping them apart! Everyone has a right to dream and everyone has a right to make their dreams come true!!

jencar98

09-14-2010 10:00 PM

Tammy...oh my, I am so very sorry for your loss. You deserve to find your happiness and live your dream, don't let anyone take that from you.

I have more respect for you as a person, breeder and now friend then I do for many I've met in the show world. They all speak of their love and passion for the breed, but few have shown that to me as you have.

Hugs to you, sweetie.♥

lisaly

09-15-2010 12:18 AM

This thread literally caused me such anxiety throughout the day on Sunday, and then I came back on later in the evening and it truly made me ill. A select few sunk so low to be rude and hateful, and I was feeling so confused and hurt because of this. There were a number of things today that were well spoken and nice points, and I didn't post because I promised myself to stay out of this discussion.

To cause Tammy such distress by continually attacking her is unfathomable to me. Just think of the feelings she must have been feeling to share such a painful, private moment in her life in such an open and public way. Does that make you feel proud to defend your position in such a way that you can hurt someone this badly? Anyone who cares enough to look beyond this parti debate knows how wonderful Tammy is. She never boasted about anything, but by reading her words as she spoke about Livi and her babies and also how she handled herself in her own breeding program, it became very apparent about Tammy's strong and impressive character. My own personal experiences with her revealed how loving and empathetic a person she is. I am very passionate about Yorkies, but I've also learned that I need to stop to make sure that I am conveying my ideas in a most respectful manner when I post. We don't have to agree on this, and you may even get angry about this issue, but there is no need to personally attack another person. The message never gets heard in the first place. On a different note, when someone posts and it is believed they are abusing an animal, many things get heated, and I understand when that gets out of control. I get very angry like the rest of the group. Still, I know I will get my message across to the OP a lot more if I remain civil to him/her. My heart breaks for Tammy because she was put in a position where she needed to defend herself. She told me about her baby when she was trying to help me with my own feelings of loss after Ashley passed away. She is such a sweet person who oozes goodness, and she used her own pain to help another. The word dishonorable could not be further from the truth about her. I think a lot of good came out of this thread, and in the end, that's what I wish to focus on here. I hope others have learned information here to help them draw their own conclusions. In addition, I hope people have learned because of this thread the need to treat others with respect and compassion.

gemy	09-15-2010 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3270986)

This was a typo

I don't think so. Just checked and only 38 come up.

Breezeaway

09-15-2010 03:17 AM

Her typo wasn't about the number, She typed "Franky is #1, How sad is that?"
Then she quickly removed it and typed typo.
Bluemoon Yorkies perhaps;)

jencar98

09-15-2010 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3270923)

Maybe I wasn't clear. I thought I was replying to a post that implying that they were all dyed. I should have said that they were not all dyed. Better?

Yes, my shipment came today. Had to get a new manicure because I opened it myself. Nice friends sent it those cases.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3270932)

That looks worst than it sounded. LOL It's email, inflection gets lost. What can I say? It's only words, nothing more.

Only words? Nothing more? Perhaps in those handling/grooming/dyeing classes they should also be teaching a course in tact, sensitivity, common courtesy.....all of which you are lacking!

jencar98

09-15-2010 04:27 AM

Hopefully my last post on this thread.

I did want to thank Donna, Gail and a couple of others (from the other side) for being so polite and respectful on this thread. You have proven it's possible to have a discussion/debate in a civil manner. Even in disagreement, you've remained respectful and mindful of others feelings, and I appreciate that.

Elle	09-15-2010 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3271007)

Elle,

This will be my last post to you....EVER! I am not on YT to sell puppies....I don't even have any and have only raised 2 litters....can you say the same? Oh, and yes, I'm a new breeder...what is the problem with this?! It's none of your business but since you have decided to attack me like you have, I feel obliged (FORCED) to share with all of YT my reasons!!!!!!!!! I have always dreamed of raising these precious little dogs. When my first baby passed away in her daddy's arm and we were all told that I wouldn't make it, I decided to start living my dreams because life is short. We buried our first baby and told myself that I would never look back on my choices with regret. I am blessed to be able to do just that...live my dreams. I have been through more in my life than I care to share, but feel like I have to tell this part because of your harsh words. This is why I hold no apologies to anyone for my passion towards breeding the parti...I love them, period!

I stand by what I said...you are being rude, but I think that's pretty apparent to most now. If a human being can't see that their are actual feelings/lives behind a commuter screen, then that's very sad.

Having to type this all out has made me feel so sick to my stomache....are you glad?

Tammy

I'm sorry you lost your child. This is a horrible loss no human should ever endure.

Elle	09-15-2010 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3271183)

Since I was the one to reference sending cases of hair dye to friends, I'm assuming this post was a mocking reply to my post.

I will tell you right now, Elle....it's not a good idea to mock me! You see, unlike you, I didn't sell my soul to the "club", so I have no fear of speaking the truth!

Only words? Nothing more? Perhaps in those handling/grooming/dyeing classes they should also be teaching a course in tact, sensitivity, common courtesy.....all of which you are lacking!

Not sure why you think this stuff happens in confirmation. But it's not sure. Nor is it okay for you to continue to say them without expecting someone to disagree with you. People work very hard to have good color in lines. I'm sorry you think everyone is cheating. It just isn't true.

Tnyorkiemom

09-15-2010 04:58 AM

first i want to say Donna you have shown true compassion for both sides of this arguement.............Tammy im truely sorry for your loss..............for some others..........as my grand ma would have said...........shame on you..........you will get yours..........maybe not in this life........but you will trust me...........as for the dye stuff............it is true they dye.........i know people who admit it...........so yes SOME do cheat...........and it makes them the bad apple for these clubs............and the clubs instead of bettering (not sure that is a word...lol) themselves set out to attack each other.........yet another reason i dont belong to any club per say.............for as long as we live and im sure beyond our lives these debates will continue............we just have to agree to disagree....... both sides have already said.......they will not change their opinions or compassions for their views on the subject.......so in my opinion either come up with new information or the OP needs to have the discussion closed.

yorkielady06

09-15-2010 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom (Post 3270957)

There are parti breeders who don't give a hoot about health or even the purity of the breed. And AKC and UKC shows are beauty contests. They set those rules. If they required only healthy specimens of the breed to be shown then a CHIC number would be required with each dog entered. We only follow the rules that are set for the competition that we wish to enter.

As for follow by example, again, why don't the parti breeders test their dogs. They seem to think that their dogs are healthier that normal colored dogs... where would they get that idea??

Did you take the time to read my post? I do testing. So please do not clump parti breeders into that "not testing" category. Some do and some do not just as standard yorkie breeders, some do and some do not.

yorkielady06

09-15-2010 05:42 AM

Tammy I am so sorry for your loss. Please do not allow one person to push you away. What she says means nothing. You obviously are a strong person and have proven that time and again in your life I am sure.
As my granddad told me many times and I am sure you have heard many times..
"You can't fix stupid". Those that chose not to learn and chose not to be civil have their place in hell.
Hugs to you Tammy:hug:

Jaxx	09-15-2010 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3271191)

I'm sorry you lost your child. This is a horrible loss no human should ever endure.

Where is your apology to Tammy for your rudeness to her?
You definitely owe her one !

Wylie's Mom

09-15-2010 06:52 AM

Closing this thread.

To those who remained respectful during what is always a heated subject, thank you.

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