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puppylove11 08-31-2010 05:32 PM
Parti Color? YTCA?
 
I do have a question and believe this is the place to post it. The Hylan Acre line is known for producing parti color, right? Is it being sold straight from them or by others? I am very curious to know.

I have another question concerning ytca members. I have seen quite a few ytca members post puppies and adults for sale on puppyfind and some have been sold to what I would refer to as some byb on open papers. Why has this not been brought up and why are they still members of the ytca?

Mardelin 08-31-2010 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3257811)
I do have a question and believe this is the place to post it. The Hylan Acre line is known for producing parti color, right? Is it being sold straight from them or by others? I am very curious to know.

I have another question concerning ytca members. I have seen quite a few ytca members post puppies and adults for sale on puppyfind and some have been sold to what I would refer to as some byb on open papers. Why has this not been brought up and why are they still members of the ytca?
I have no idea about Hylan Acres producing parti color or how she sells her dogs as I haven't bought a dog for her or would I.

Whatever other YTCA members do, I cannot control. Yes, there are is a percentage that do business with BYBers, is it right, no. However, if the dog is sold with a contract they are not going against the code of conduct. These people do not represent the majority of the membership.

Brooklynn 08-31-2010 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3257811)
I do have a question and believe this is the place to post it. The Hylan Acre line is known for producing parti color, right? Is it being sold straight from them or by others? I am very curious to know.

I have another question concerning ytca members. I have seen quite a few ytca members post puppies and adults for sale on puppyfind and some have been sold to what I would refer to as some byb on open papers. Why has this not been brought up and why are they still members of the ytca?
You know, I don't know if she has breed Parti's or not, I guess you'd have to ask her.

I don't know who sells on puppyfind.com because I don't go there to look at pups or sell pups there. I can only answer to what I do as an ethical and responsible breeder and I honestly only deal with certain people within the yorkie breed. I can't tell anyone what to do in their breeding program in the end it's those people who do wrong will have to live with themselves. I just try and educate the right way and do things the right way and if one chooses not to do it the right way or listen there really isn't anything I can do. I just won't recommend or have any dealings with them and when asked I have my say but to be honest I don't put anything into writting on a public forum to be held against me at a later time...BTDT! BUT, I do say how I feel and what I think and stand behind it! Like it or not :) I do know that I can live with the choices I make and sleep at night.

Donna

puppylove11 08-31-2010 05:52 PM
I felt these are questions which need addressed. Members of the ytca who are also members of this forum represent the ytca. All members of the ytca vote as to the standard for the yorkie, when there are some who go against the standard or sell their dogs to anyone! I believe these to be huge issues within the ytca, which their reputable members should look into. I have every right to ask these questions. I have never stated Mardelin or Brooklyn was responsible for the bad breeders who are members of the ytca, but as members of the club these should be concerns. I have no reason to not believe Mardelin and Brooklyn are very ethical members of the ytca, my concern is with the members who are not.

Mardelin 08-31-2010 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3257835)
I felt these are questions which need addressed. Members of the ytca who are also members of this forum represent the ytca. All members of the ytca vote as to the standard for the yorkie, when there are some who go against the standard or sell their dogs to anyone! I believe these to be huge issues within the ytca, which their reputable members should look into. I have every right to ask these questions. I have never stated Mardelin or Brooklyn was responsible for the bad breeders who are members of the ytca, but as members of the club these should be concerns. I have no reason to not believe Mardelin and Brooklyn are very ethical members of the ytca, my concern is with the members who are not.


Each individual member should behave in a manner that represents the club. Again I can only be responsible for myself and who I do business with.

Just as an explaination on how things are run. Unless a member committs a personal infraction on another member that goes against the code of ethics/conduct; nothing can be done, unless they are in direct violation of AKC rules. In other words, it has to be proven and documented thoroughly.

Brooklynn 08-31-2010 06:09 PM
Of course it's a concern if members aren't adhereing to the standard and code of conduct and ethics! When something comes to light I do believe it is addressed with the club. The YTCA does have a few hundred members and with me being only a member for about 3 years I still do not know many of the members. I do know a lot of members no longer breed or show but have continued to be members. I know you have never stated me and Mardelin as anything other than members of YT and YTCA but please take no offense you seem to try and go at us. Maybe i'm wrong...You do ask good questions but unfortunately I do not know what Hylan Acres produce other than the standard color yorkies that I've seen her show in the ring. I've never purchased from her or seen her place. Like I said, I only deal with certain breeder/exhibitors.
Like in the other thread, you have to have "rock solid" proof before you present any accusations to the board. One has to see first hand what is being done. Me for instance has to know first hand and not just because someone told me about it.
Donna

jencar98 08-31-2010 06:18 PM
Does Hylan Acres sell parti yorkies? I'm not aware that she does or that they are in her lines.

If a YTCA breeder is accused of not following the code of conduct, and the allegation (s) are proven, I would hope the breeder wouldn't be allowed club membership. You ask why this has not been brought up, how do we know it has not. Perhaps the YTCA is aware and taking action that we are not aware of.

If you have specific information have you contacted anyone within YTCA to report this, specifically a board member?

I think it's a bit unfair to insist that all members have knowledge of every other members practices and what is being done about them.

Brooklynn 08-31-2010 06:29 PM
It doesn't say in our code of conduct or code of ethics that one can't place a puppy on puppyfind.com as long as you place that pup on a spay and neuter contract ect...I just hope all can do the right thing that's all I want for this precious breed! Again, I can only do what I can do to try and educate anyone.

Donna

puppylove11 08-31-2010 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3257869)
It doesn't say in our code of conduct or code of ethics that one can't place a puppy on puppyfind.com as long as you place that pup on a spay and neuter contract ect...I just hope all can do the right thing that's all I want for this precious breed! Again, I can only do what I can do to try and educate anyone.

Donna
I do apologize if you and Mardelin believe I go after you, as that was never my intention. You two just happen to be members of the ytca and take the time to post on yorkietalk and educate people. I do have concerns with the ytca and some of it members and their actions. I to love the yorkie breed and want to protect it. I do become very upset when I see a member of the ytca not protecting the breed they protest to love or not following the guidelines and ethics of the club they are members of.

puppylove11 08-31-2010 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3257858)
Does Hylan Acres sell parti yorkies? I'm not aware that she does or that they are in her lines.

If a YTCA breeder is accused of not following the code of conduct, and the allegation (s) are proven, I would hope the breeder wouldn't be allowed club membership. You ask why this has not been brought up, how do we know it has not. Perhaps the YTCA is aware and taking action that we are not aware of.

If you have specific information have you contacted anyone within YTCA to report this, specifically a board member?

I think it's a bit unfair to insist that all members have knowledge of every other members practices and what is being done about them.
There are parti breeders with the Hylan Acre line.

It is not as easy to go against a member of the ytca. You do not hear people stating if they have been mislead by a purchase from a ytca member for a reason. I have owned three yorkies from ytca members and all three are altered and have never been bred, because of health issues, conformations or their personalities. I owned one yorkie who was afraid of people and crawled on my floor. :( It was very heartbreaking. I have another one with so many health issues the last place he/she should of been sold to was a breeder on open papers. I do know there is good and bad in every walk of life.

Brooklynn 08-31-2010 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3257879)
I do apologize if you and Mardelin believe I go after you, as that was never my intention. You two just happen to be members of the ytca and take the time to post on yorkietalk and educate people. I do have concerns with the ytca and some of it members and their actions. I to love the yorkie breed and want to protect it. I do become very upset when I see a member of the ytca not protecting the breed they protest to love or not following the guidelines and ethics of the club they are members of.
It's nice to see another non member of the YTCA have your passion for the breed :) I wish we could police others and what they do. As it was stated there has to be rock solid proof. Just an FYI if a non member wants to file a complaint they can but again one has to have documentation to back it up.

The YTCA is no different than any other club that has bad apples and I believe every club wishes all were ethical but only in a perfect world. If one can change at least a couple of people in a breeding/exhibiting program then that is a step in the right direction. :)

yorkiegirl2 08-31-2010 06:52 PM
Hylan is a show breeder and no I do not believe they raises Parti’s.
Now mine you this is the story I heard .
A person had a Parti pup pop up from Hylan lines she contacted Hylan about
it and was told to put the pup down.
The person refused to destroy the pup.

I do know that
Ch Hylan Ridin the Storm (who runs strong Hylan and Tiffany lines)
and
Hylan Darling Diva (who runs strong Durrner lines)
produced a Parti carrier named Hylan Diva’s Dannilyn Has it all.

Ch Hylan acres Ridin the Storm
Sire Ch Hylan Acres Chief Cornerstone
Dam Ch Hylan Acres Cajun Saint.

Hylan Darling Diva
Sire CH Durrer's Mighty Obsession
Dam Bubbles Larue II

Mardelin 08-31-2010 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3257858)
Does Hylan Acres sell parti yorkies? I'm not aware that she does or that they are in her lines.

If a YTCA breeder is accused of not following the code of conduct, and the allegation (s) are proven, I would hope the breeder wouldn't be allowed club membership. You ask why this has not been brought up, how do we know it has not. Perhaps the YTCA is aware and taking action that we are not aware of.

If you have specific information have you contacted anyone within YTCA to report this, specifically a board member?

I think it's a bit unfair to insist that all members have knowledge of every other members practices and what is being done about them.
It has been brought up. However, as you said things are handled by the board.

Just an FYI to the OP. There is nothing in the conduct/ethics that says members can't advertise on puppyfind. Do they, I like Donna have never been there, so I don't know. What it does say is the potential buyers will be screened thoroughly and all sales will be with a clear concise contract.

Now if Hylan Acres has produced a parti, I hope that she does what is an unwritten rule. Place it as a pet.

Mardelin 08-31-2010 07:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3257898)
Hylan is a show breeder and no I do not believe they raises Parti’s.
Now mine you this is the story I heard .
A person had a Parti pup pop up from Hylan lines she contacted Hylan about
it and was told to put the pup down.
The person refused to destroy the pup.

I do know that
Ch Hylan Ridin the Storm (who runs strong Hylan and Tiffany lines)
and
Hylan Darling Diva (who runs strong Durrner lines)
produced a Parti carrier named Hylan Diva’s Dannilyn Has it all.

Ch Hylan acres Ridin the Storm
Sire Ch Hylan Acres Chief Cornerstone
Dam Ch Hylan Acres Cajun Saint.

Hylan Darling Diva
Sire CH Durrer's Mighty Obsession
Dam Bubbles Larue II
Yorkshire Terrier puppies can be born of colors that automatically deprive them of the necessary qualities to be come the proper colors of the breed. Puppies incorrectly colored or marked, should not be sold as "rare" anything. They should not be registered, but should simply be found a loving home.

yorkiegirl2 08-31-2010 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3257910)
Yorkshire Terrier puppies can be born of colors that automatically deprive them of the necessary qualities to be come the proper colors of the breed. Puppies incorrectly colored or marked, should not be sold as "rare" anything. They should not be registered, but should simply be found a loving home.
Yes Mardelin I think everyone is quite aware of your view concerning the Parti color but not everyone shares them.

kpstoybox 08-31-2010 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3257898)
Hylan is a show breeder and no I do not believe they raises Parti’s.
Now mine you this is the story I heard .
A person had a Parti pup pop up from Hylan lines she contacted Hylan about
it and was told to put the pup down.
The person refused to destroy the pup.

I do know that
Ch Hylan Ridin the Storm (who runs strong Hylan and Tiffany lines)
and
Hylan Darling Diva (who runs strong Durrner lines)
produced a Parti carrier named Hylan Diva’s Dannilyn Has it all.

Ch Hylan acres Ridin the Storm
Sire Ch Hylan Acres Chief Cornerstone
Dam Ch Hylan Acres Cajun Saint.

Hylan Darling Diva
Sire CH Durrer's Mighty Obsession
Dam Bubbles Larue II
*IF* that story is true...it would certainly back up the numerous reports we have all heard of parti puppies being culled in the past.

Also..the little guy in my avatar comes from the Hylan Acre/Tiffany line of parti's...on his sire's side.

kpstoybox 08-31-2010 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3257910)
Yorkshire Terrier puppies can be born of colors that automatically deprive them of the necessary qualities to be come the proper colors of the breed. Puppies incorrectly colored or marked, should not be sold as "rare" anything. They should not be registered, but should simply be found a loving home.
Does this include any of those yorkies that get spray painted before every AKC show?

Breny 08-31-2010 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3257926)
Also..the little guy in my avatar comes from the Hylan Acre/Tiffany line of parti's...on his sire's side.
Just wanted to say what a little doll he is! :)

Mardelin 08-31-2010 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3257924)
Yes Mardelin I think everyone is quite aware of your view concerning the Parti color but not everyone shares them.
Yes, and I am aware of it. However, the question was asked about YTCA members producing parti colors and how it should be handled. I've always stated if one isn't breeding to standard, then one isn't breeding to improve the breed. It's what the YTCA stands for.

yorkiegirl2 08-31-2010 07:26 PM
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Cute guy !!!
Here is my carrier girl who carries Ch Hylan, Ch Durnner, Ch Tiffany lines.

Micah my love 08-31-2010 07:29 PM
Awww what a cutie :)

yorkiegirl2 08-31-2010 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3257936)
Yes, and I am aware of it. However, the question was asked about YTCA members producing parti colors and how it should be handled. I've always stated if one isn't breeding to standard, then one isn't breeding to improve the breed. It's what the YTCA stands for.
I figured since you quoted me in your post, your comment was aimed at me.
Yes, we are aware of the standard and YTCA disdain when it comes to the Parti's and like I stated earlier not everyone agrees with it.

cj125 08-31-2010 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3257811)
I do have a question and believe this is the place to post it. The Hylan Acre line is known for producing parti color, right? Is it being sold straight from them or by others? I am very curious to know.

I have another question concerning ytca members. I have seen quite a few ytca members post puppies and adults for sale on puppyfind and some have been sold to what I would refer to as some byb on open papers. Why has this not been brought up and why are they still members of the ytca?
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3257898)
Hylan is a show breeder and no I do not believe they raises Parti’s.
Now mine you this is the story I heard .
A person had a Parti pup pop up from Hylan lines she contacted Hylan about
it and was told to put the pup down.
The person refused to destroy the pup.

I do know that
Ch Hylan Ridin the Storm (who runs strong Hylan and Tiffany lines)
and
Hylan Darling Diva (who runs strong Durrner lines)
produced a Parti carrier named Hylan Diva’s Dannilyn Has it all.

Ch Hylan acres Ridin the Storm
Sire Ch Hylan Acres Chief Cornerstone
Dam Ch Hylan Acres Cajun Saint.

Hylan Darling Diva
Sire CH Durrer's Mighty Obsession
Dam Bubbles Larue II
Then maybe you can answer the OP's question....

puppylove11 08-31-2010 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3257898)
Hylan is a show breeder and no I do not believe they raises Parti’s.
Now mine you this is the story I heard .
A person had a Parti pup pop up from Hylan lines she contacted Hylan about
it and was told to put the pup down.
The person refused to destroy the pup.

I do know that
Ch Hylan Ridin the Storm (who runs strong Hylan and Tiffany lines)
and
Hylan Darling Diva (who runs strong Durrner lines)
produced a Parti carrier named Hylan Diva’s Dannilyn Has it all.

Ch Hylan acres Ridin the Storm
Sire Ch Hylan Acres Chief Cornerstone
Dam Ch Hylan Acres Cajun Saint.

Hylan Darling Diva
Sire CH Durrer's Mighty Obsession
Dam Bubbles Larue II
Thank-you for the information concerning the Hylan Acre question.

It does disgust me when a breeder states to destroy a puppy! As breeders our first concern should always be the welfare and life of our dogs and puppies. My dogs are part of my family and the thought of destroying one of them because of color physically makes me sick! I do know it happens, but it does not make it right!

puppylove11 08-31-2010 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breny (Post 3257933)
Just wanted to say what a little doll he is! :)
I have to agree with Breny! What a doll!

cj125 08-31-2010 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3257971)
Thank-you for the information concerning the Hylan Acre question.

It does disgust me when a breeder states to destroy a puppy! As breeders our first concern should always be the welfare and life of our dogs and puppies. My dogs are part of my family and the thought of destroying one of them because of color physically makes me sick! I do know it happens, but it does not make it right!

Do you know this for a fact? Do you have proof? If not you could be looking at legal action. How can you post a kennel name on an open forum? :D (I'm just repeating what another member just got through saying)

I do have a hard time believing that they said to put the pup down when all anyone would have to do is have them neutered. And if they did - then that would disgust me too *and* make me wonder why anyone would want to support a breeder like that... :confused::rolleyes:

kpstoybox 08-31-2010 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breny (Post 3257933)
Just wanted to say what a little doll he is! :)
Thanks! I too think he is a doll. ;)

kpstoybox 08-31-2010 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3257941)
Cute guy !!!
Here is my carrier girl who carries Ch Hylan, Ch Durnner, Ch Tiffany lines.
Pretty girl!

yorkiegirl2 08-31-2010 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3257971)
Thank-you for the information concerning the Hylan Acre question.

It does disgust me when a breeder states to destroy a puppy! As breeders our first concern should always be the welfare and life of our dogs and puppies. My dogs are part of my family and the thought of destroying one of them because of color physically makes me sick! I do know it happens, but it does not make it right!
Your Welcome and Yes, I agree.
No pup should be put down because it is born a different color.
But, I would say this practice of destroying the pups by show breeders is done more then the general public knows about, be it off color or to hide a genetic defects.
The name of the game is to protect Ch Dogs and their own reputations in the show world.
Show breeders are very secretive about what pops up in litter boxes or what genetic defects that run in their lines.
If this info gets out, other show breeders do not want anything to do with their lines.
After all show breeders breed to show and sell their dogs mainly to other show breeders.

yorkiegirl2 08-31-2010 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3258008)
Pretty girl!
Thanks Karen...;)


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