Question for YTCA members

[straightsilk]

Excellent. I'll dig up the posts if you'll make the complaint.

[Brooklynn]

In order to be disciplined one has to commit the infraction at an AKC sactioned show. That entails being dismissed from the ring and given a DQ for a foreign substance found in the coat. In order to be suspended from AKC one has to be caught in the act if I'm not mistaken. Words on a fourm can be taken out of context, cut and pasted, be misconstrued.
You can make a complaint but the offense has to be documented and committed at an event. Words are hearsay.

I hope this helps answer your question.

Donna Bird

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

In order to be disciplined one has to commit the infraction at an AKC sactioned show. That entails being dismissed from the ring and given a DQ for a foreign substance found in the coat. In order to be suspended from AKC one has to be caught in the act if I'm not mistaken. Words on a fourm can be taken out of context, cut and pasted, be misconstrued.
You can make a complaint but the offense has to be documented and committed at an event. Words are hearsay.

I hope this helps answer your question.

Donna Bird

And let me add this...only a YTCA member can make a complaint about another member to the board. Anyone outside the YTCA membership can not make a valid complaint.
AKC could be another story but as I posted above the act has to be committed at the show with proof. Again, words are hearsay, even if written it's not backed and it wasn't an infraction at an AKC sanctioned show.

Donna

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Excellent. I'll dig up the posts if you'll make the complaint.

I'm not a member of the YTCA, I only endorse what they are trying to accomplish. I'm curious as to those threads you mention. Are you sure YTCA member admitted doing this or was this something a "show" breeder did. So many people think, just because a person is a show breeder they are also a member of the YTCA, and this is usually not the case. Anyone can call himself or herself a "show" breeder, and their motives for showing can vary greatly. I've read many times how show breeders do various things to manipulate the look, and handlers are often accused of doing things too. As one breeder said in the past, any breeder who is doing this is only fooling themselves, the goal should not only be to produce a great dog who is a wonderful and healthy example of the breed, but one who also is capable of producing wonderful healthy examples of the breed. If they cheated on the first dog, they are not adding anything valuable to their lines, and they are just cheating themselves.

By the way, the YTCA website says:

Factually based charges of violations of the principles of the codes will be reviewed under the provisions of Article VI of the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, Inc. Bylaws Each member is expected to be familiar with these provisions concerning Suspension, Charges, Board Hearings, and Expulsion.
As revised July 2009 Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics

[Brooklynn]

I have to ask...is this a "gotcha" thing going on? I know of the thread the person is talking about...not sure the title of the thread but there has been lots of discussions concerning "enhancements". Enhancements can be hairspray, gel, anti-stat, and conditioning spay ect...so ok I'm guilty of "enhancing" so I guess you can file a complaint against me and everyone else in the show world LOL...I believe the thread you are talking about was miscontrued as I noted in my first post so I'm not sure if you have a vendetta against anyone and I hope that isn't the case it's sad actually. If you feel "enhancing" is the most important gripe you have then I believe someone needs to change their prioritories and focus more on the health and over all well being and structure of the yorkshire terrier in the ring than "enhancing". If one feels the need to file a complaint make sure it's over something more important like mistreatment, abuse ect.....

JMHO

Donna Bird

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by bjh

I was looking at the YTCA code of ethics and I noticed the following is no longer in the code of ethics unless I am over looking it, it use to be ethic rule 7:



I am just curious when it was removed and why.

bjh,
I am just curious!
How did you came up with the question like that?
I'm not a member of the YTCA, but I was never questioning there code of ethics!
Any time I have a question I go directly go to the YTCA (local) and find the answer I was looking for!
bjh,
So What are you questioning?
Did anyone didn't answer any of your question in a local club?

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Sorry!
Just a thought!

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Yelena

bjh,
I am just curious!
How did you came up with the question like that?
I'm not a member of the YTCA, but I was never questioning there code of ethics!
Any time I have a question I go directly go to the YTCA (local) and find the answer I was looking for!
bjh,
So What are you questioning?
Did anyone didn't answer any of your question in a local club?

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Sorry!
Just a thought!

Yelena, I was questioning the change to the code of ethics of the YTCA. There have been many discussions on this forum about the practice of 'enhancing' the color of the Yorkshire Terrier. The reason I went back to read the code of ethic was because someone asked me a question about what the code of ethics said about changing the appearance of a dog. I was surprised when I saw it had been changed. I don't want to go around quoting the YTCA code of ethics incorrectly. The reason I posted the question on here is because I know several members on here are members of the YTCA and they would be able to give a good explanation as to why it was changed and I received a good explanation.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by bjh

Yelena, I was questioning the change to the code of ethics of the YTCA. There have been many discussions on this forum about the practice of 'enhancing' the color of the Yorkshire Terrier. The reason I went back to read the code of ethic was because someone asked me a question about what the code of ethics said about changing the appearance of a dog. I was surprised when I saw it had been changed. I don't want to go around quoting the YTCA code of ethics incorrectly. The reason I posted the question on here is because I know several members on here are members of the YTCA and they would be able to give a good explanation as to why it was changed and I received a good explanation.

I just have to say but enhancing can mean a variety of things and it seems you and this silk person are so hung up on the color part that it takes away from what one would consider something as in health and structure much more important and what structurely correct. Barb I don't want to offend you in anyway but enhancing a yorkie is so less serious than inserting steel testicals so a male would have one and surgically doing teeth to have a perfect bite...coloring is such of a lesser evil to me...

Donna

[JenniferLeigh]

Originally Posted by bjh

Most likely that is what happened. My husband builds websites and lots of times he will update a site for a client but the client will claim they don't see the updates. It is because they are just looking at a copy of the old site that has been saved by their internet provider. Most of the time if you reboot your computer you will see the newest version. Just one of those quirky things about the internet.

This happens because your internet browser "caches" websites so that they load faster. However if you clear your cache or delete your browsers temporary files the website will load the most current version. No need to reboot your computer. In Internet Explorer it is in Tools > Internet Options > Under "Browsing History" select Delete and make sure "Temporary Internet Files" is selected.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bjh

Yelena, I was questioning the change to the code of ethics of the YTCA. There have been many discussions on this forum about the practice of 'enhancing' the color of the Yorkshire Terrier. The reason I went back to read the code of ethic was because someone asked me a question about what the code of ethics said about changing the appearance of a dog. I was surprised when I saw it had been changed. I don't want to go around quoting the YTCA code of ethics incorrectly. The reason I posted the question on here is because I know several members on here are members of the YTCA and they would be able to give a good explanation as to why it was changed and I received a good explanation.

Barb,

Thanks for bringing the question to light. It made me thing on when that particular ethics code was changed. I'd forgotten that we actually worked on the ethics & conduct rules last year. These things are always presented to the membership and never passed until fully discussed and voted on.

The code read, no physical altering; however, what it fails to expand on, is the infraction must occur at an AKC sanctioned event; in the ring. And although, it doesn't clairify what alteration; it is addressing to those that show taking an altered female into the ring, tied up ears, physically implanted testicles, showing a dog that has had leggs perthes corrected. Judges are very concerned about those issues.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I just have to say but enhancing can mean a variety of things and it seems you and this silk person are so hung up on the color part that it takes away from what one would consider something as in health and structure much more important and what structurely correct. Barb I don't want to offend you in anyway but enhancing a yorkie is so less serious than inserting steel testicals so a male would have one and surgically doing teeth to have a perfect bite...coloring is such of a lesser evil to me...

Donna

Donna, would you explain this line to me? I've never heard of this, but I'm guessing it happens when the testicals don't descend properly, in order for the dog to be shown?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bonbon

Donna, would you explain this line to me? I've never heard of this, but I'm guessing it happens when the testicals don't descend properly, in order for the dog to be shown?

Exactly what it means.....

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Exactly what it means.....

Ohhhh....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bonbon

Ohhhh....

So, you understand the seriousness of some of these infractions.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

So, you understand the seriousness of some of these infractions.

I didn't have any idea before, but now... !