Question for YTCA members

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The code read, no physical altering; however, what it fails to expand on, is the infraction must occur at an AKC sanctioned event; in the ring. And although, it doesn't clairify what alteration; it is addressing to those that show taking an altered female into the ring, tied up ears, physically implanted testicles, showing a dog that has had leggs perthes corrected. Judges are very concerned about those issues.

They, the judges should be as none of this is done "for the betterment of the breed" nor does it evaluate dogs to see if they are good breeding animals. I hope they come down hard on these people because they are putting their own self interest before the dogs best interest. I would also guess they would breed if they are not caught and more poor animals are harmed.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

They, the judges should be as none of this is done "for the betterment of the breed" nor does it evaluate dogs to see if they are good breeding animals. I hope they come down hard on these people because they are putting their own self interest before the dogs best interest. I would also guess they would breed if they are not caught and more poor animals are harmed.

Now I've only heard of these serious infractions, have never been witness to them.

But, you know on the color issue...I was in Sally's getting color for my hair, I walked to the counter to pay for it. The cashier asked if I was showing cattle (there was a cattle show going on that weekend). I told her no. Well she said she had several cattle people buying "my color" to color their cows.
How funny is that?

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Now I've only heard of these serious infractions, have never been witness to them.

But, you know on the color issue...I was in Sally's getting color for my hair, I walked to the counter to pay for it. The cashier asked if I was showing cattle (there was a cattle show going on that weekend). I told her no. Well she said she had several cattle people buying "my color" to color their cows.
How funny is that?

OMG...Cow Butt Brown...that is funny and I bet you cracked up.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

OMG...Cow Butt Brown...that is funny and I bet you cracked up.

Yeah! I laughed, but imagine, I was using the same color on my hair that they were using to dye their cows......

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yeah! I laughed, but imagine, I was using the same color on my hair that they were using to dye their cows......

Do you have any hair left..

What brand..I need to check mine out...

[straightsilk]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I just have to say but enhancing can mean a variety of things and it seems you and this silk person are so hung up on the color part that it takes away from what one would consider something as in health and structure much more important and what structurely correct. Barb I don't want to offend you in anyway but enhancing a yorkie is so less serious than inserting steel testicals so a male would have one and surgically doing teeth to have a perfect bite...coloring is such of a lesser evil to me...

Donna

Some pretty fancy rationalizing here. so you want to pick and choose the rules that you follow?

Fact is that there are color DQs in your standard.

I would really like to see all foreign substances banned as they are in Europe.

Just because someone knows how to color a dog so the judge is fooled doesn't mean it's right. Just because they're coloring a light spot on the dog's topline so the stupid judge won't mistake it for a structural fault doesn't mean it's right. And posting about it on a public forum makes the code of conduct and ethics statements meaningless if someone can admit to coloring their dog and not pay a price.

[puppylove11]

Did this change when the YTCA did the color change and changing what would be disqualified due to the parti yorkie? I would imagine so. I for one have seen YTCA members color coat and was taught by one how to color coat. So for one to believe the members of the YTCA are above this is nonsense! Especially since they would have to tattle on each other to turn one another in for such an infraction.

[puppylove11]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Some pretty fancy rationalizing here. so you want to pick and choose the rules that you follow?

Fact is that there are color DQs in your standard.

I would really like to see all foreign substances banned as they are in Europe.

Just because someone knows how to color a dog so the judge is fooled doesn't mean it's right. Just because they're coloring a light spot on the dog's topline so the stupid judge won't mistake it for a structural fault doesn't mean it's right. And posting about it on a public forum makes the code of conduct and ethics statements meaningless if someone can admit to coloring their dog and not pay a price.

Do you not believe an akc conformation judge would not color a coat on their show prospect? If so you are sadly mislead, because it does happen.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Do you have any hair left..

What brand..I need to check mine out...

It's Fanciful rinse - Mahogony - Just a temp wash in.

I have very baby fine hair, so if I have any hair left...there isn't much to begin with.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

It's Fanciful rinse - Mahogony - Just a temp wash in.

I have very baby fine hair, so if I have any hair left...there isn't much to begin with.

Ok...glad to know and I totally understand baby fine hair...as much as I would like mine to go natural gray I need color for body...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Ok...glad to know and I totally understand baby fine hair...as much as I would like mine to go natural gray I need color for body...

I tried going gray, I'd truely love to...but, it looked like I was walking around with Skunk on the top of my head.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I just have to say but enhancing can mean a variety of things and it seems you and this silk person are so hung up on the color part that it takes away from what one would consider something as in health and structure much more important and what structurely correct. Barb I don't want to offend you in anyway but enhancing a yorkie is so less serious than inserting steel testicles so a male would have one and surgically doing teeth to have a perfect bite...coloring is such of a lesser evil to me...

Donna

Donna, this thread was not started in any way to start a discussion on the ethics of coat enhancing, by that I mean changing a coat from a light steel blue to a dark steel blue, or changing the gold from a light gold to a rich gold. We all know that this goes on and it is a pretty much an acceptable practice among some exhibitors, particularly handlers and some long time exhibitors. It would just be nice if they were all shown 'a la natural'.

While there are some people that will go to extreme to surgically correct problems like bite, testicles, ears, etc, that is not that common in the show ring but it does happen. I have expressed before that we are in agreement that structure and soundless is of much more importance to focus on than color. That is the reason I have expressed that I wish the standard did not put so much emphasis on requiring a dark steel blue coat. Like you and others have stated many times, the correct shade of the steel blue is often up to the interpretation of the beholder but correct soundless should be unquestionable.

I don't know who the 'Silk' person is but I can say that I have been a member here for several years and I have never read where anyone openly admitted they enhanced a dogs coat. If someone did I would just applaud them for being honest. I do know that it is something people will not openly admit to on an open forum.

From what I have heard about the AKC judges, they pretty much know what dogs are dyed and they don't worry about it unless it is a really bad dye job and even then they don't usually dq them but they might withhold a ribbon if it is obvious.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I tried going gray, I'd truely love to...but, it looked like I was walking around with Skunk on the top of my head.

Some things just shouldn't be said, unless you have pictures to go along with them.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bonbon

Some things just shouldn't be said, unless you have pictures to go along with them.

Use your imagination.....a real bad dye job.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bjh

Donna, this thread was not started in any way to start a discussion on the ethics of coat enhancing, by that I mean changing a coat from a light steel blue to a dark steel blue, or changing the gold from a light gold to a rich gold. We all know that this goes on and it is a pretty much an acceptable practice among some exhibitors, particularly handlers and some long time exhibitors. It would just be nice if they were all shown 'a la natural'.

While there are some people that will go to extreme to surgically correct problems like bite, testicles, ears, etc, that is not that common in the show ring but it does happen. I have expressed before that we are in agreement that structure and soundless is of much more importance to focus on than color. That is the reason I have expressed that I wish the standard did not put so much emphasis on requiring a dark steel blue coat. Like you and others have stated many times, the correct shade of the steel blue is often up to the interpretation of the beholder but correct soundless should be unquestionable.

I don't know who the 'Silk' person is but I can say that I have been a member here for several years and I have never read where anyone openly admitted they enhanced a dogs coat. If someone did I would just applaud them for being honest. I do know that it is something people will not openly admit to on an open forum.

From what I have heard about the AKC judges, they pretty much know what dogs are dyed and they don't worry about it unless it is a really bad dye job and even then they don't usually dq them but they might withhold a ribbon if it is obvious.

Now what would really be great if a judge could look internally at a dogs health. Wouldn't it be great to be able to see those the bile acids of dogs who were a bit off the chart.