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10-24-2014, 04:27 AM | #46 | ||
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10-24-2014, 04:37 AM | #47 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Just a comment on this thread -- ALL are welcome to express their opinion here, no matter their opinion of RC, whether positive or negative. If they think the company unscrupulous, so be it - if the next person thinks they're scrupulous, so be it. EVERYONE here has a right, according to our rules, to express exactly what they think of a *dog food* and/or the company who makes it and/or the person who chooses to come here and represent that company. I feed premade raw and I just imagine how people would react if someone from Primal or Nature's Variety came here to represent - my gosh, they'd likely be pummeled into next week for daring to support raw! But I wouldn't take it personally, and I'd hope people here wouldn't take it personally if people don't agree with RC or it's representative. Let the discussion be one.
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10-24-2014, 04:39 AM | #48 | |
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10-24-2014, 05:09 AM | #49 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Guelph, Ontario
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| A welcome to all :) Hi again everyone ! I first of all want to take the time to thank all the yorkie parents who have made their way to this forum! Whether it is to post a question, share their feedback or start a discussion, know all are welcome here. As a nutritionist with experience in both the human and companion animal world, I respect many views and options on diet selection. This is the amazing reason we are all different! I say this all the time... If we were to take every person who has commented on this thread and feed them the same diet, what would happen? Well that diet may be good for one or two of us, but some of us may gain weight, some loose weight, some may feel more tired, some may require iron supplementation, some may experience dry or brittle hair....etc. This is the reason I respect owner's choices for feeding their pet. My only request, that you feed a food that makes your dog healthy and thrive All I can do is inform you about nutrition in general and RC formulas. I can't comment on other diets because I don't have their research/knowledge at my fingers. My goal on here is to share RC's knowledge and understanding of the cat and dog. I can pull a lot of the information from text books, scientific literature, feeding trials and also our Walthams Research Center in the UK. Thank you to everyone who has posted in the last... oh 18 hours or so (lol). There are a lot of questions people have, so bare with me as I try to make my way through answering them for you. I will try to quote as many posts as I can, but if I may have missed yours... sorry in advance. I tried to compile similar topics, so look to the title to find the one(s) that interest you. Have a great day! Ashley |
10-24-2014, 07:38 AM | #50 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Guelph, Ontario
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| Brewers Rice and Corn Hello again! Let’s go into some detail about Brewers Rice and Corn for this post Brewers Rice: Brewers rice is essentially broken white rice. The more “visually” desirable whole white rice pieces are sifted from the broken white rice pieces to be used in the human food chain. The remaining broken pieces contain identical nutrition to the whole white rice pieces. This is used in the brewing industry or in the pet food industry. Brewers rice primarily consists of starch; an energy providing nutrient that is also essential to the structure of kibble. It also is a source of protein. You can read more about the different types of rice here: The "Sticky" on Rice / Nutrition Corner / Your Pet's Nutrition / Home - RoyalCanin Corn: Corn is what I lovingly called the golden nugget of nutrients. It is packed full of beneficial nutrients, some many people don’t even realize! You can get highly digestible protein (including amino acids methionine and cysteine, which are important for coat health), omega 6 fatty acids (including linoleic acid, which is important for skin and coat health), fibre (insoluble fibres, this is what the outer shell or capsule is made of), minerals, vitamins and even antioxidants. Yes I said antioxidants!! Corn is an excellent source of lutein and zeaxanthin, two antioxidants important in full body antioxidant protection as well as notably in the eye. Check out this USDA website link to see all the beneficial nutrients Foods List. For some reason the direct links aren't working, but search for "corn dent" and "corn sweet" and select the yellow varieties. Note that we consume sweet corn, whereas dent corn or field corn is the type used in pet food. Interestingly enough, the corn we use in pet food is actually more nutritious than the corn we consume (though it’s still packed full of nutrients). Why? Human corn is designed to be sweet (therefore it appeals to our sweet taste buds) whereas field corn is designed to be more nutritious, so less sugar but more usable starch for energy. I added a chart showing the two different types of corn side by side and the levels of nutrients (from the USDA website) Why do we think corn doesn’t provide nutrients to us or our pets? We “see” it in our stool the next day right??? (I won’t go too much into poop… but know it’s probably one of my fav topics) Well we are lazy chewers, and actually what we “see” is just the capsule or outer shell, the insoluble fibre component, which makes its way completely through our bodies shows up in our stool. Think when we bite into a cob of corn. We usually end up spraying every person within 5 ft of us! That’s our teeth breaking through the outer capsule, making all the valuable nutrients mentioned above available for digestion and utilization by the body. For pet food, we do the chewing for them through grinding. At RC we grind our corn to 0.8mm. The grinding increases the surface area to volume ratio, meaning that there is more area for our digestive enzymes to get in there and digest all the valuable nutrients. Even the insoluble fibre of the capsule is ground down. Remember that fibre but provides gastrointestinal support, including gut health, gut motility and promoting a beneficial bacteria population in the colon. Hope this helps Ashley |
10-24-2014, 07:53 AM | #51 | |||
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From my last post remember that crude protein does not provide you information regarding the amino acid profile, the digestibility or the quality of the protein. Therefore the crude protein level on the package of Yorkie changed, but the actual nutrition and benefits provided to the pet remained the same. Ingredients are the vehicles to bring nutrients into the body. RC’s focus is the nutrient profile that is being provided to the pets we feed. Here is another analogy Think about watering plants using a watering can. The watering can is the vehicle for the water. If one day you used a different watering can, but the water it supplied to the plants was the same, is the change significant? Quote:
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Ingredient names themselves are very misleading, no matter what ingredient you are talking about. This is the problem with trying to read pet food labels. The name of an ingredient tells you nothing about the quality, digestibility, or the nutrition the ingredient provides. Remember that meat is not the only source of protein. Any vegetarians or vegans out there can attest to that. Grains, vegetables , dairy etc. are all great sources of protein as well. The important things to consider are the amino acids that protein provides, how digestible it is and the quality. I know I repeat those often, but I think it is so commonly overlooked for determining how beneficial a protein source is for the dog. Thanks for the questions! Ashley | |||
10-24-2014, 07:57 AM | #52 | |
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Happy to hear you were able to find the nutrition solution that works best for your pup! Ashley | |
10-24-2014, 08:00 AM | #53 | |
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I'll have to keep an eye out for her. But... they are such a good resource for RC, we can't help but snatch them up I love to hear success stories too!! Keep sharing! Ashley | |
10-24-2014, 08:30 AM | #54 | |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Guelph, Ontario
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| RC Ingredient Label Changes Hi everyone, There was some discussion around ingredient changes and the communication to the owner. I wanted to take a moment and chat about that: RC communicates on package if there is a significant change to the formula that would require a dietary transition. For example, if we adjusted the fibre level of a formula based on consumer and feeding trial feedback, we would want to communicate this change to the owner so they can do a gradual transition as a dramatic change could result in digestive upset (and that’s never what we want when we are improving a formula). If we are simply switching one ingredient for another ingredient that provides the same nutrients to the pet (ie one watering can for another watering can... see Crude Protein post for full analogy) the change will not affect the dog. @ladyjane had some good point that reflects our nutrient philosophy: Quote:
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10-24-2014, 09:05 AM | #55 | |
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I didn't change the food immediately because I was mad at the company. I changed it because I realized I was feeding them a crap food, that had been a good food. I am mad at the company because they didn't inform consumers of the big change on the bag. Your logic doesn't make sense to me, yes, they did well on a certain food for 8 years, RC changed the food, so I no longer could keep the boys on the same food. What about that don't you understand? Why would I believe that they would continue to do well on a very poor substitute? Just because name Royal Canin is on the bag?
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10-24-2014, 09:08 AM | #56 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | What kind of formula are you using? The Royal Canin formula for Yorkshire Terriers changed significantly. Protein is no longer the first ingredient. Brewers rice is the first ingredient.
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10-24-2014, 09:43 AM | #57 | |
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I am not going to have any further discourse on this as it only serves to distract from the important topic at hand and I am loving learning from our new member. I especially loved the corn remarks made by her today....very clear picture and well written.
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10-24-2014, 10:04 AM | #58 | |
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Alot of what you pointed out above, applies to many of us.....! I am really enjoying reading her responses. I am waiting for her to advise on giving the Adult Mini versus the Yorkie Breed specific kibble! Since I dont know any other way to do it, I have copied/pasted her responses and put them in a folder for my own future use! Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 10-24-2014 at 10:05 AM. | |
10-24-2014, 10:20 AM | #59 | |
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10-24-2014, 10:50 AM | #60 | |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Guelph, Ontario
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I can't believe how many of you would love to visit our RC plants how exciting! For everyone's info, RC owns and operates three manufacturing facilities in North America 1) Guelph, Ontario, Canada (dry facility, where I'm currently sitting right now) 2) Rolla, Missouri, US (dry facility) 3) North Sioux City, South Dakota, US (canned facility) I might need to clarify my original post. One of my roles here is to provide plant and lab tours to veterinarians, breeders, rescues and pet store employees. What I was leaning towards with this was that my expertise in this area can help answer any questions you might have around manufacturing processes, quality and food safety. I know many of you would love a plant tour... I always love showing off our state of the art plant (check out my profile pic with my 2 girls Ella and Marti in the front and our Guelph plant in the background). For Canada, regional reps currently schedule tours for their respective teams. If you are a Canadian breeder, feel free to contact your Royal Canin PRO representative and express your interest in a plant tour. For my US friends... sorry I'm not sure how plant tour requests are handled for them. Currently we don't have consumer plant tours... but it's something that we are looking into Thanks! Ashley | |
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