Royal Canin Questions?

[MarkFromSea]

Well, this thread has gone to hell. All that bitching about some things that are obvious as hell. What a waste!

[Britster]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

. And, to suggest that we would be happy feeding sawdust and vitamins? Really??

Yorkiemom1 stated, in one thread at some point, that she would still feed RC if 'dunkin' donuts' was in the ingredient list, and I believe she mentioned other odd things, like boots, or something... I don't feel like going back and finding it at the moment...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Britster

Yorkiemom1 stated, in one thread at some point, that she would still feed RC if 'dunkin' donuts' was in the ingredient list, and I believe she mentioned other odd things, like boots, or something... I don't feel like going back and finding it at the moment...

I know what Yorkiemom1 said and it was just an expression because she was trying to make a point. It was not what Nancy was referring to when she made her recent post. She said that "I feel like" ..... as quoted below: She has also referred to RC as crap food. THAT is all I was referring to.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I feel like some of you think a dog food would be fine if we use saw dust dust , hair, and sugar and a handful of vitamins. It has all the essential elements protein, carbs and vitamins and minerals as well as fiber.

[smelcerk]

Whew! Just read the entire thread. Some of you are downright scary, lol. First, Ashley is amazing and I was thrilled to have her join us as I learned so much from her discussion on nutrition which is what she came here to discuss. I will admit I felt a little uncomfortable when she would not directly answer a few of the questions but did not judge her because she was not here to answer those questions and she did link us to the people who could. She was here to talk about the nutrition and science behind the food which she did in a very clear and understandable fashion. I for one loved and needed the analogies. My brain does not like science or math.

Second, I am grateful to learn from this thread that we are a widely diverse group of individuals and not a bunch of Stepford Wives just spouting the party line. There are huge differences of opinion and as far as I can see everyone feels very comfortable sharing their opinions. I love that. Some people got downright nasty which I also loved because now I know who to avoid in the future and who to take with a grain of salt. It is all good.

Having said all that, I feed my puppy Royal Canin because my breeder started her on it and she is doing fabulous on it. See no reason to mess with what is working. I will always listen to everyone's opinions but in the end I have to make my own decisions and own those consequences. Thank you to everyone for contributing to this very educational thread.

[Opium88]

I'm just glad that MarkfromSea appreciates my wit and humor. Someday, when I'm accepting my hard earned Emmy Award, I'll thank him publicly . Until then this is the best show of appreciation I can manage.

on another note, I want to say thank you, Royal Canin for never having wasted my money when I bought your products. My kids eat every last bite of every bag of RC, making it worth every penny. All of the other brands I spent $ on were a waste of perfectly good casino money, I could very well have won several jackpots on the amount of money spent on other expensive and overrated foods that my pups rejected time after time . They were the equivalent of those homemade knitted sweaters at Xmas from your great grandmother when you were 16 . Such a shiny package, such disappointment at the contents.
But I'll keep feeding Rc because i know when i spend that money on it it won't be wasted. And I'll hit my jackpot someday .

[Wylie's Mom]

Some of the posts on here are getting a little heated. I totally get why food posts can make us so sensitive and emotional -- I've been there too, and I'm sure I've contributed to it in the past. Let's try to keep things in perspective though, as we're merely talking about dog food, we're not talking about world peace here.

For the most part, everyone has been pretty decent to each other...so let's not go off track, if at all possible. I think we can agree on what's really important here, and that's where we can get the motivation to keep things cool, kind, respectful, understanding. You're all such wonderful people, and I'd hate to see this thread cause any unnecessary friction. We ALL love our dogs SO crazily much, and we all want to feed them well at the end of the day.

As far as various sites/education/learning/qualifications - I honestly think there is plenty of room for all sorts of angles. Personally, I DON'T want my information coming all from one place - I don't believe in putting on those kinds of blinders. Therefore, I really do learn and have learned from all the places mentioned recently (Truth in Pet Food, the Dog Food Project, Dog Food Advisor, Dr. Remillard, Ashley from RC etc).

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Opium88

I'm just glad that MarkfromSea appreciates my wit and humor. Someday, when I'm accepting my hard earned Emmy Award, I'll thank him publicly . Until then this is the best show of appreciation I can manage.

on another note, I want to say thank you, Royal Canin for never having wasted my money when I bought your products. My kids eat every last bite of every bag of RC, making it worth every penny. All of the other brands I spent $ on were a waste of perfectly good casino money, I could very well have won several jackpots on the amount of money spent on other expensive and overrated foods that my pups rejected time after time . They were the equivalent of those homemade knitted sweaters at Xmas from your great grandmother when you were 16 . Such a shiny package, such disappointment at the contents.
But I'll keep feeding Rc because i know when i spend that money on it it won't be wasted. And I'll hit my jackpot someday .

Oh dear, I've haven't had this good a laugh in a long time! Thanks for maintaining such a great sense of humor . My Bella was started on Royal Canin by her breeder and I continued it for a while until I noticed that Blue Buffalo was given a higher rating by a human dentist (the infamous Dogfood Advisor). Bella rejected the BB because of the humungous kibble size and I switched her back to RC until she had grown and could eat the rest of the bag of BB (I don't believe in waste, and Bella is not a picky eater). I kept her on BB since the price is similar to that of RC, but I'd switch her back to RC in a heartbeat if she developed problems with the BB, because Ashley really sounds like she knows what she is doing, and I trust the quality control measures that RC has in place.

[pinkfairie]

Hello,
Don't know if people are still participating on this thread, but I've been worried about the decrease of the quality in RC ingredients, my Kenzie loves it but we highly dislike that it no longer contains high quality ingredients, we want our baby to be 10000% healthy and happy.
We called/e-mailed RC to ask about the changes and they say it's the same premium quality but with minimal changes to the formula, no biggies; excuse me but I'm not okay with my dog eating by-product instead of chicken meal, that's why I'm paying for, if I wanted her to eat by-products I'd buy her any cheap food from WalMart.
And they offered to send me more info so I'd read that this change isn't that bad as I see it, they send me the info and I'm still concerned.
Having spent the first year of Kenzie's life at the vet cause of a bad allergy cause by Hills' Science Diet, I really care about what I'm feeding her.

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[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by pinkfairie

Hello,
Don't know if people are still participating on this thread, but I've been worried about the decrease of the quality in RC ingredients, my Kenzie loves it but we highly dislike that it no longer contains high quality ingredients, we want our baby to be 10000% healthy and happy.
We called/e-mailed RC to ask about the changes and they say it's the same premium quality but with minimal changes to the formula, no biggies; [B]excuse me but I'm not okay with my dog eating by-product instead of chicken meal, that's why I'm paying for, if I wanted her to eat by-products I'd buy her any cheap food from WalMart.
And they offered to send me more info so I'd read that this change isn't that bad as I see it, they send me the info and I'm still concerned.
Having spent the first year of Kenzie's life at the vet cause of a bad allergy cause by Hills' Science Diet, I really care about what I'm feeding her.

my thoughts too!

I would have much preferred the option of maintaining ingredients and paying more for the food, than decreasing the food quality. RC clearly isn't in touch with their customer base. Its a yorkie food! Im not feeding great danes, so an increase in the price on one bag that lasts a month, isnt going to kill my budget, it's not like we're going through a bag every couple of days.

[MarkFromSea]

Their other mistake was not informing their customers of the change in an "open" manner. It was some newbie novice that started an RC thread that brought the formula change to light here at YT. Not the company, as it should have been.

We have to feel good about the company and the food that we feed our pups. For me, I looked at RC, then kept looking elsewhere. There are so many other foods and formulas to choose from that made "ME" feel better feeding my dogs that RC was taken off my list of possibles. For others, RC is still their go to food! That is just fine!

Find a food that you feel good about and that your dog does well with.

We're using a Wellness and a Solid Gold product currently.

[pinkfairie]

Exactly!
If only they'd asked us about the change, but they didn't care.
I've also noticed that some other formulas still contain chicken meal like the Mini and X-Small ones, why did they decide that the Yorkie formula needed the change from chicken meal to by-products? Still don't get it...
The info they sent says it' s because "we are running out of chickens for human consumption", I'd gladly give up the chickens I'm supposed to eat so my Kenzie gets them, no need to question that.

We don't get that many options here when it comes to dog food, so RC was the best one but seeing this I'm considering to try Nature's Variety Instinct, will have to wait and see if we need to switch or not :/

[MarkFromSea]

I'm forgetting some of the details now but yes, it was the yorkie 28 that they "dropped".... they replaced it with just yorkie and that formula has the by product stuff in it and a lower protein %... Other RC customers were using a different RC formula for their yorkies I think because of the volume they were buying, more dogs, more food,.... OR.... they had yorkies that were fine with eating larger kibble???? Their formulas, different RC offerings, either didn't change or didn't change as dramatically so they are going to continue using it, no reason not to... It doesn't make RC a bad company, or their feed a bad food, just a company that doesn't see transparency and openness with their customers as a value. It's no different than any other large company in that way. I certainly wouldn't call them a premium company, they are just another Purina, no better, no worse. I can't recall who wrote it, but it was well said... "With a change like this(changing the RC yorkie ingredients) you may as well buy one of the better Purina products and pay half the price of the RC yorkie product." that wasn't the quote, exactly, just something like that and a fabulous point.

If you're paying for the RC yorkie formula, and have any doubts about the ingredients what so ever, you should find a better feed that is similarly priced somewhere else. You and your dog will get better value, ingredients, at a different company or in a different formula.

If it was chicken organs, I'd be all over that as a good change, but by product, that's an open menu to whatever is cheapest at the time that they buy the ingredient. LOL It could be cast iron, fiberglass, rubber, leather... LOL (a joke from within this thread)

I was just about to write that there are hundreds of options for us,,,, I just noticed you're in Mexico! I don't know what options you have.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by pinkfairie

Exactly!
If only they'd asked us about the change, but they didn't care.
I've also noticed that some other formulas still contain chicken meal like the Mini and X-Small ones, why did they decide that the Yorkie formula needed the change from chicken meal to by-products? Still don't get it...
The info they sent says it' s because "we are running out of chickens for human consumption", I'd gladly give up the chickens I'm supposed to eat so my Kenzie gets them, no need to question that.

We don't get that many options here when it comes to dog food, so RC was the best one but seeing this I'm considering to try Nature's Variety Instinct, will have to wait and see if we need to switch or not :/

For Dogs | Instinct Pet Food for Dogs and Cats There's still quite a few to choose from in that line. Kibble size, my little old guy needs the tiny kibble. Our young guy, 10 pounds, I saw him eat full size kibble at the rescue so, LOL, any size goes for our youngster! LOL

But yes, if you pay or paid for RCs yorkie or yorkie 28, you may as well get one of these "exotic" or "holistic" foods such as Nature's Variety Instinct. I think Fromm has one of these premium feeds at less than RC and great reviews. I just ordered a bag of Wellness Core Ocean from chewy.com for our 10 pound youngster. Wellness CORE Grain-Free Ocean Formula If it gives him more energy, I'm in trouble though! LOL It was well under $3 a pound to my front door, should be here in a couple more days.

I liked the idea of a breed specific formula, but, then found that the strongest supporters of RC here at YT weren't using the breed specific formula. At least, that's what I understood from reading what they wrote in the 3 threads associated with this RC yorkie 28 formula change. So, breed specific formulas just aren't required and probably have more to do with marketing than anything else.

[Einstein4me]

I have to use the extra small Royal Canin Adult with my 6 pound Biewer, he struggles with the Yorkie adult but was fine with the puppy. The pieces are too big. Is this just as good for his coat?

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by Einstein4me

I have to use the extra small Royal Canin Adult with my 6 pound Biewer, he struggles with the Yorkie adult but was fine with the puppy. The pieces are too big. Is this just as good for his coat?

Might want to start a new thread for that question.... This particular thread went south and, just a guess, most members here would avoid it at this point and not read it. you'll have better luck in a new thread....

And, Welcome to YT!