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Old 02-23-2010, 11:59 AM   #1
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Question Vaccine Question, very confused !

Suzi will be 2 yrs old next month. . She had all her core vaccines as a puppy . What confuses me is that I've read that the Rabies vaccine is the same as the 3yr one . If so, then IMO , she does not need anther one.
I never revaccinated her after she had all her shots. The breeder had started vaccinated Suzi when way to early , so when I got her at going on 9weeks old, she had already had 2 rounds . The vet advised me to begun her vaccines all over again , and this is what I had done. SHe had no reactions at all and did just fine.
Now , my question is this. DO I still have to worry about vaccines in a nearly 2 yr old Yorkie ? Or is she protected ? I have read many articles from YT about vaccines , and some vets say that dogs are protected for life and the rabies shot does not need to be done for 3 yrs, because it is the same one that is used for the 3 yr shot.
Is she old enough not to worry about parvo or distemper? And protected from these deadly diseases ?
I fear that , but fear much more to overvaccinate Suzi do to the horror stories of vaccinations and health problems they can have for life due too many shots.
Could anybody help me sort through this mess? Suzi is mostly an indoor dog, but i use to take her on walks much more then I did before . I like to do that again , she loves to be outside , but the fear of her getting ill makes me hesitate .
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Most states have laws regarding rabies vaccination so you really have no choice how often to vaccinate. In California, it's every three years so you have another year.

As far as the other vaccinations, Dr. Dodd's protocol has been adopted by the majority of vet schools and is a good one to follow.

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Here in NJ the first round of rabies is good for one year, then when they their second shot that is good for 3 years.
I have my vet titered for all the other vaccines but the rabies is mandated by law so is no way around it unless your vet gives you a note stating that your dog is has a high risk of getting sick and can't have the vaccine.
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Here in NJ the first round of rabies is good for one year, then when they their second shot that is good for 3 years.
Here in Oklahoma the laws vary by county. This is the way it works in my county.
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in KS...my vet told me that when under 1 years old they can only get the 1 year vaccine until the next year or when they are over 1 years old then they can get the 3 year vaccine.
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Not sure where that schedule is on YT, but it is not correct.

Rabies has to be given according to state law. If she doesn't have it and there is a problem, the sad truth is that she may be quarantined and possibly euthanized. It's just the reality of it. A vet can write you an exemption (not really done in CA often though I don't think), but if there is a problem, she is still subject to the things above.

The rabies one year and three year is the same. The important thing though is that it is given after the immune system is fully mature. One rabies vaccine before about six months likely does not protect for as long as is necessary. Also, since rabies is a killed vaccine, there are still big concerns with duration of immunity (hopefully Rabies Challenge Fund will change this). She does need it again...asap.

The DHPP does need to be given "at least" once after the immune system is fully mature. Since she only had puppy shots, she may not be protected. You can titer to see, but I'd still be doing them again. The schedule after this one year booster is up to the vet and owner, but some vets won't hospitalize without them. Whether they last for a lifetime or not, I can't say because even the experts seem to be in disagreement at times. This refers to modified live viruses though. Killed viruses (like rabies) are different. Recominant vaccines are also different.

Ellie had her last parvo shot at age five (in 2006) and her last distemper at age 6 (in 2007). With the exception of rabies, we may be done for good. However, not all vets will let owners go this way...

So, I would go get the rabies and then do it every three years after this.
I would also get the DHP (you can split them up if you want..I wouldn't), but make sure to separate it from the rabies by two to three weeks.
Lepto, lyme, and bordatella...depends on lifestyle. No for us.
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Not sure where that schedule is on YT, but it is not correct.

Rabies has to be given according to state law. If she doesn't have it and there is a problem, the sad truth is that she may be quarantined and possibly euthanized. It's just the reality of it. A vet can write you an exemption (not really done in CA often though I don't think), but if there is a problem, she is still subject to the things above.

The rabies one year and three year is the same. The important thing though is that it is given after the immune system is fully mature. One rabies vaccine before about six months likely does not protect for as long as is necessary. Also, since rabies is a killed vaccine, there are still big concerns with duration of immunity (hopefully Rabies Challenge Fund will change this). She does need it again...asap.

The DHPP does need to be given "at least" once after the immune system is fully mature. Since she only had puppy shots, she may not be protected. You can titer to see, but I'd still be doing them again. The schedule after this one year booster is up to the vet and owner, but some vets won't hospitalize without them. Whether they last for a lifetime or not, I can't say because even the experts seem to be in disagreement at times. This refers to modified live viruses though. Killed viruses (like rabies) are different. Recominant vaccines are also different.

Ellie had her last parvo shot at age five (in 2006) and her last distemper at age 6 (in 2007). With the exception of rabies, we may be done for good. However, not all vets will let owners go this way...

So, I would go get the rabies and then do it every three years after this.
I would also get the DHP (you can split them up if you want..I wouldn't), but make sure to separate it from the rabies by two to three weeks.
Lepto, lyme, and bordatella...depends on lifestyle. No for us.
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I'm coming back to this thread because I don't know if we answered your questions. Anything we didn't answer?

The rabies vaccine is the same (1 yr. or 3 yr.) for most companies, but it won't be treated like a 3 yr. until the one year booster. The 3 yr (or most call it 1 yr. when it's given as a pup vaccine) is given as a puppy shot. A 3 yr. (most now call a three year, but still the same as the one yr.) is given as a one year booster. After that, the same one (the one labeled 3 yr. but is actually also a 1 yr. under a different label) is given every three years in CA.
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My dogs get vaxed as puppies, including rabies when old enough, year old boosters along with the 3 year rabbies, then they get vaxed every 3 years when their rabies is due again. I dont feel that they need them every year. ...
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Here in NJ the first round of rabies is good for one year, then when they their second shot that is good for 3 years.
I have my vet titered for all the other vaccines but the rabies is mandated by law so is no way around it unless your vet gives you a note stating that your dog is has a high risk of getting sick and can't have the vaccine.
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really; your vet can actually give you a note that is acceptable by the state; if a dog gets sick often
can you recommend a vet that does that; or understands
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My dogs get vaxed as puppies, including rabies when old enough, year old boosters along with the 3 year rabbies, then they get vaxed every 3 years when their rabies is due again. I dont feel that they need them every year. ...

We dont do the bordella,(SP?) my dogs are never boarded and that doesnt seem to be a common illness around here. I havent heard about the lyme diease shot, I know we have ticks in our area, so Lyme is common but vet never mentioned it. Maybe its not common enough.. We do, do the lepto... for precaution.
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Hi mscat,

The only vaccine that is required by law is the rabies vaccine and that requirement is NO more often than 1 time every 3 years. So your dog Suzi would NOT be due for her next rabies vaccine until 3 years after her last rabies vaccine. And since you said Suzi had her other shots, I personally would NOT do any more of the other vaccines. None of them are legally required and too many vaccines can do significant harm to our pets.

Even though the rabies vaccine is required only 1 time every 3 years it most likely has a duration of immunity for longer than 3 years. So, right now research is being done to prove that the duration of immunity from the rabies vaccine does in fact last longer than 3 years. That way hopefully the rabies vaccine law can be changed so that the rabies vaccine will NOT be required 1 time every 3 years -- but instead hopefully maybe 1 time every 5 years or 1 time every 7 years since the rabies vaccine can have serious adverse reactions.

Here is the website about that reseach.

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really; your vet can actually give you a note that is acceptable by the state; if a dog gets sick often
can you recommend a vet that does that; or understands
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As Crystal pointed out, though, a note/exemption from your vet really means nothing if your dog is exposed to rabies. It only exempts them from the shot so you don't pay a fine. They will still have to be quarantined or even euthanized according to your state law if they bite someone or are exposed to a rabid animal.
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you can read what i just wrote here that happened to us

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Most states have laws regarding rabies vaccination so you really have no choice how often to vaccinate. In California, it's every three years so you have another year.

As far as the other vaccinations, Dr. Dodd's protocol has been adopted by the majority of vet schools and is a good one to follow.

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it is by county as to what is required for rabies as each county is different
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