Vaccines

[periwinkle]

I read the article on VACCINES- An overview. I always got all the vaccines for my Yorkie. My question is, I take my dog walking in parks that have deer, also I take her to doggie meet-ups at pet stores & a doggie day care place. I don't board her anymore. Does she need the non core immunizations?
My neighbor works at a vet and said there are no cures for some of these diseases. Can my dog get the diseases from other dogs at these events?
I really don't want to over vaccinate, but this is a real concern.

[Ellie May]

Does she get every vaccine, every year?

What non-core are they wanting to give?
I'm not going to say yes or no because I just won't give that kind of advice.
MI has a serious problem with lepto right now. Because of how the vaccine affected Ellie, I probably would not do it personally. However, it doesn't mean it's always wrong.

Most diseases for which non-core vaccines are given are treatable, but there isn't a 100% success rate. Lepto can be very serious even if treated. But...the vaccine can be pretty serious too. So... There is no easy answer here.

[periwinkle]

She gets:
Bordetella vacc annual
Coronavirus vacc annual
DHLPP vacc annual
lyme vacc annual
Rabies Canine 3 year

She is on revolution year round

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by periwinkle

She gets:
Bordetella vacc annual
Coronavirus vacc annual
DHLPP vacc annual
lyme vacc annual
Rabies Canine 3 year

She is on revolution year round

WOW!!!

She is being extremely overvaccinated.
And I'm not sure why they think corona is necessary at all.

The DHPP should be given as pup vaccine, then one year later, then probably no more than every three years (or possibly more often with low titer).

They have never done all of those in one day, have they?

[periwinkle]

Once a year she gets Distemper-Hepatitis, leptospirosis, parainfluenza, canine parvovirus coronavirus and lyme disease shot. She gets it all in one day. She had a rabies shot in 2004, and one in 2008. I am going to discontinue the bordatella shot.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by periwinkle

Once a year she gets Distemper-Hepatitis, leptospirosis, parainfluenza, canine parvovirus coronavirus and lyme disease shot. She gets it all in one day. She had a rabies shot in 2004, and one in 2008. I am going to discontinue the bordatella shot.

If your vet won't alter this protocol, please find a new one.
This is not at all good for her and could cause some very serious health problems.

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by periwinkle

She gets:
Bordetella vacc annual
Coronavirus vacc annual
DHLPP vacc annual
lyme vacc annual
Rabies Canine 3 year

She is on revolution year round

Some of these vaccines are unnecessary...If your dog has had vaccines administered as a pup or after the age of 6 months he is most likely protected for life. This is from some experts in the field.......

We don't repeat vaccinations for parvo and distemper because we need vaccines more than once to form immunity. They are repeated for two basic reasons only: Habit, and to catch those few individuals who for some reason don't respond to the first vaccination. A single immunizing dose of a modified live virus vaccine - in other words, one vaccine that works - will form long term, probably lifetime, immunity to parvo and distemper. (Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy XIII; 2000;

Ronald Schultz provides an analogy with human measles vaccination, noting we don’t regularly revaccinate people. Schultz notes “the immune system of a person is similar to that of an animal, and since immunity persists for the life of a person (average 70+ years), then why wouldn’t immunity from canine or feline vaccines persist for 10 to 15 years? The answer is that many canine and feline vaccines do provide the same lifelong immunity”.


The corona is only a threat to puppies, and even then it is usually a self limiting illness. It usually runs it's course in a few days.

Kennel cough is a generally mild condition, like having a cold.......This is from Dr Schultz. (a leading vaccine researcher).....

Another common vaccine that Schultz says is unnecessary protects against "kennel cough," an often mild and transient disease contracted during boarding or dog shows. "Most pet dogs that do not live in breeding kennels, are not boarded,
do not go to dog shows and have only occasional contact with dogs outside their immediate family," Schultz
recommends, "rarely need to be vaccinated or re-vaccinated for kennel cough."


The lyme is generally not recommended either...

Department of Clinical Studies School of Veterinary Medicine University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA :19 of 27 veterinary teaching hospitals in North America did not provide Lyme vaccination at all; the other eight hospitals only did so if the owner requested it and was traveling to an endemic region.

Today, many vaccinated dogs receive a shot for Lyme disease. However, Schultz says that the ticks carrying the Lyme disease pathogen can be found in only a few regions of the United States. More importantly, Schultz adds, "The vaccine can cause adverse effects such as mild arthritis, allergy or other immune diseases. Like all vaccines, it should only be used when the animal is at significant risk." He notes that the Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital at the UW-Madison School of Veterinary Medicine rarely administers the Lyme disease vaccine.


As for giving combo shots, they are one of the worst vaccines to give. It's equivalent to your dog contracting 5-7 diseases at once. It is a terrible assault to the immune system, it's hard to process . The dog will appear well but the damage may not show up for years ....It also elicits a weaker response producing little or no antibodies...Just not good for the dog........

Giving combo vaccines (multi-valiant, polyvalent) and/or several shots at once increases the risk of adverse reactions as well as the risk that the vaccines will interfere with each other, resulting in neutralization or negation. (American Animal Hospital Association)

Dr. Patricia Jordan, author of Mark of the Beast, writes about one manufacturer’s combo shot: “… the absolutely worse adverse vaccine reactions have been noted with … the “mumbo jumbo” polyvalent with several modified live viruses, killed whole bacterins of Leptospirosis, killed corona virus (the vaccine looking for a disease), lots of adjuvant, mercury, aluminum, antibacterial like gentocin, antifungal and fungi stats, proprietary ingredients of whose true identity makes me shudder to even speculate.”


Author Catherine J.M. Diodati wrote about combination shots in her Vaccine Guide for Dogs & Cats: “The number of pathogens plus toxic and carcinogenic chemicals that the animals are exposed to all at once generate an enormous toll on the immune system. The results can be devastating.”


If your vet is trying to use fear mongering to get you to over vaccinate your dog then I would look for a new one. Do not patronize any boarding facility, groomer, training facility or veterinarian that requires you to vaccinate your pet more than necessary.This is from Dr Schultz.....


What are the ethical and legal implications if vets continue to insist their clients unnecessarily revaccinate their dogs annually or triennially with core MLV vaccines? These recommendations are not evidence-based. It is not ethical practice to urge clients to have medical interventions for their pets that are not needed and which may cause harm – Ronald Schultz calls this “an unacceptable medical procedure”.



Sorry this was so long.....

[periwinkle]

Thanks for the info, I obviously must do more research on this.

[dwerten]

i just have to say i freaked this last week as we had a plumber come in whose dog was in the hospital with parvo i freaked out as all of mine are titered and i have a dog with poor immune system hypothyroid and on steroids and titered since 6 mos and she is almost 6 now. I called the hospital, couple vets, my online vet buds, dr jean dodds, you name it as i was a nervous wreck but every person said do not stress as they were vaccinated as puppies they should be fine and their titers are good as we titer yearly. They all said they only see puppies under 6 mos wtih parvo so far so good but i thought to myself if all of these vets etc are saying this why do they vaccinate these dogs every year or 3 years depending on the county if they know this and are telling me this. Very interesting. Not one of them told me to go get a parvo shot for any of my three either - that was very telling to me

[periwinkle]

When you get your dog titered, is it a blood test? Does one test show how much immunity is in their system for all the immunizations they've ever received? Do all vets do it?

[Nico29]

This is such an informative thread. Our guy is 1 and a half years old. He had his puppy shots from the breeder (we brought him home at 16 weeks) and rabies with us 11/08. He had bordatella11/08 when we registered for training classes as it was a requirement. On his annual visit he only received the Rabies11/09 which the Dr. said was good for three years. We registered for agility class and now need to give bordatella again. Are there other vaccines that he should receive now? He's mostly an inside dog. He doesn't go to dog parks...doesn't board....is only around dogs we see on our walks. Thanks so much for your opinions.

[Nico29]

Is this the schedule (Dr. Jean Dodds) you follow?
9 - 10 weeks
Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV (e.g. Intervet Progard Puppy DPV)
14 weeks Same as above
16 -18 weeks (optional) Same as above
20 weeks or older, if allowable by law Rabies
1 year
Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV
1 year
Rabies, killed 3-year product (give 3-4 weeks apart from distemper/parvovirus booster

I have to ck to see if he was given the distemper, parvo mlv at his yearly but I only remember the Rabies. If this is the case, are they three seperate shots or can I request them to be seperate? Or is it fine to give all together? Should I will wait for several weeks after bordatella before getting these? Thanks everyone.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by periwinkle

When you get your dog titered, is it a blood test? Does one test show how much immunity is in their system for all the immunizations they've ever received? Do all vets do it?

yes all vets do it and it is more expensive but worth it as if they get sick from being over vaccinated you will spend alot more in vet bills

it measures to see if there is enough in system to fight off disease

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Nico29

This is such an informative thread. Our guy is 1 and a half years old. He had his puppy shots from the breeder (we brought him home at 16 weeks) and rabies with us 11/08. He had bordatella11/08 when we registered for training classes as it was a requirement. On his annual visit he only received the Rabies11/09 which the Dr. said was good for three years. We registered for agility class and now need to give bordatella again. Are there other vaccines that he should receive now? He's mostly an inside dog. He doesn't go to dog parks...doesn't board....is only around dogs we see on our walks. Thanks so much for your opinions.

dog parks are where all the problems tend to be so we steer clear of those for sure

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Nico29

Is this the schedule (Dr. Jean Dodds) you follow?
9 - 10 weeks
Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV (e.g. Intervet Progard Puppy DPV)
14 weeks Same as above
16 -18 weeks (optional) Same as above
20 weeks or older, if allowable by law Rabies
1 year
Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV
1 year
Rabies, killed 3-year product (give 3-4 weeks apart from distemper/parvovirus booster

I have to ck to see if he was given the distemper, parvo mlv at his yearly but I only remember the Rabies. If this is the case, are they three seperate shots or can I request them to be seperate? Or is it fine to give all together? Should I will wait for several weeks after bordatella before getting these? Thanks everyone.

they have separate shots for parvo and distemper and should be given separately but some vets do not carry individuals