Over vaccinating

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dwerten

oh and just wanted to say NEVER GIVE THE DENTAL VACCINE that is new and bad side effects - a dentist we saw gave it to a big dog and dog went lame in that leg and she still thought i should give to demi so i ran real fast went to another dentist and he refuses to give that vaccine so we used him -whew

I have heard they give vaccines in limbs because they can amputate if a problem like cancer have you heard this ?

OMG no have not heard that. Wouldn't it be better to risk having to pull teeth.

BTW I use the Petz for life oral spray snd it works wonderful.

I was just using it once a week on bath days, they would get teeth brushed and a spray of this stuff. I had one that got real bad tarter, so started using it daily on her, at bedtime. and it has worked wonders, half of the tarter is now gone.

You could start as thread on the in breeding, although if done by a reputable breeder who has studied the genetics of the line, and have had their dogs tested for genetic disorders, it can be done safely. It definitely should be left to the experts. a novice should never do this.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

OMG no have not heard that. Wouldn't it be better to risk having to pull teeth.

BTW I use the Petz for life oral spray snd it works wonderful.

I was just using it once a week on bath days, they would get teeth brushed and a spray of this stuff. I had one that got real bad tarter, so started using it daily on her, at bedtime. and it has worked wonders, half of the tarter is now gone.

You could start as thread on the in breeding, although if done by a reputable breeder who has studied the genetics of the line, and have had their dogs tested for genetic disorders, it can be done safely. It definitely should be left to the experts. a novice should never do this.

well i thought that stuff was great too but used it for one year on my malt and she had to have 27 extractions as i should have had dental done the year prior I now use chlorhexedine wipes from drs foster and smith now

there is no genetic marker for liver shunt though and 38% of yorkies have liver issues so no way to make sure it is not in the line

[Becca1]

So well said - I totally agree. We also have a Sheltie and have had this discussion many times with our Sheltie breeder and they now titer their dogs before any vaccinations are done. AKC should step up to the plate on this.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I agree it is going to take time. It seems odd to me aslso that 3 suddenly had a reaction.

I would like to see the AKC and the breed clubs start to lobby for some change. But it is probalby just going to take the general pet owner to make their own decision on it.

If there was this much proof in human vaccines they would have changed a long time ago.

In my opinion the AKC is going about it backwards. They spend a lot of money on research trying to find cures for hereditary diseases instead of lobbying for laws against pets being sold by brokers and pet stores. so we can stop the breeding of dogs with these diseases.

That, in turn, would decrease the number of unwanted dogs.

I kind of got side tracked there, my point being the biggest animal organization in the country would have influence on the laws governing the health of our dogs.

So instesd of using dogs for testing new vaccines, in order to fix the problem, lets just get rid of the problem.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dwerten

well i thought that stuff was great too but used it for one year on my malt and she had to have 27 extractions as i should have had dental done the year prior I now use chlorhexedine wipes from drs foster and smith now

there is no genetic marker for liver shunt though and 38% of yorkies have liver issues so no way to make sure it is not in the line

Well probably no way to be sure it was never in the line, but if you know the history for 5 or 6 generations bsck, chances are prettry good that it is not there. But the problem is, that some show breeders do not care what is going on inside as long as they can make them look good on the outside.

[hugz4all4]

After my dogs get thier year old booster (Tuck just had his done today) they only get vaxed every 3 years when they need their rabies, ONLY because its the law here. My Sheltie had a nasty "skin burn" from the rabies shot he had 2 years ago that took forever to go away and IM very reluctant for him to get it again, but Im not sure how to get out of it, because he needs it to be reliscensed. When they are vaxed they get everything though including the lepto and thank heavens we havent had any issues.. (i didnt no how dangerous it was untill yt, but because of where I live I feel its nessacary).
The articles posted are scary. It certianly opened my eyes!!

[Flower003]

Out of curiosity, since it is generally believed that maternal antibodies are gone after 16 to 20 weeks, what happens if a puppy has not had their vaccinations by 16 to 20 weeks? Does a puppy still need three to four rounds of Vaccines to be safe???? I’ve read the links and they say one is sufficient once the mother’s antibodies no long interfere. since we do know exactly when the mothers anitbodies are going to dissapear what are your views on just vaccinating once after 16 weeks?

Also, what if you get a dog at an older age and you do not know if the dog has had any vaccinations how many rounds of vaccines do they need? I know the links say one is good, but what are your views on this?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Flower003

Out of curiosity, since it is generally believed that maternal antibodies are gone after 16 to 20 weeks, what happens if a puppy has not had their vaccinations by 16 to 20 weeks? Does a puppy still need three to four rounds of Vaccines to be safe???? I’ve read the links and they say one is sufficient once the mother’s antibodies no long interfere. since we do know exactly when the mothers anitbodies are going to dissapear what are your views on just vaccinating once after 16 weeks?

Also, what if you get a dog at an older age and you do not know if the dog has had any vaccinations how many rounds of vaccines do they need? I know the links say one is good, but what are your views on this?

If you start at 16 weeks or after, I personally would do 2.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

If you start at 16 weeks or after, I personally would do 2.

I think 2 would be good if you start after 16 weeks, but I would not wait that long to give them. I have never heard that the mothers immunity lasts 16 weeks, so it would be risky to wait that long

[zcb]

This thread is totally freaking me out because Scooter has an appointment tomorrow to receive his yearly vaccines. I've decided to only give him the rabies vaccine and that's because our county mandates it. I've never had a problem with fleas although we live in Florida so I don't have to give him any flea preventative. I do, however, have to give him a monthly heartworm medication because heartworms are a very serious threat to all dogs here in the South.

My last 2 dogs, Shih Tzus, both had numerous cysts in the shoulder area where they received years of vaccinations. I've always thought there was a connection but the vet said no. I don't believe her.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by zcb

This thread is totally freaking me out because Scooter has an appointment tomorrow to receive his yearly vaccines. I've decided to only give him the rabies vaccine and that's because our county mandates it. I've never had a problem with fleas although we live in Florida so I don't have to give him any flea preventative. I do, however, have to give him a monthly heartworm medication because heartworms are a very serious threat to all dogs here in the South.

My last 2 dogs, Shih Tzus, both had numerous cysts in the shoulder area where they received years of vaccinations. I've always thought there was a connection but the vet said no. I don't believe her.

This has been posted numerous times...

http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf

I am very concerned people won't do their homework in regards to vaccinations and also sit down and talk to their vet for the choices they are thinking of making.

This is a very serious decision and you easily could lose your dog if you just do what is written on YT and the advise people are giving. Do your homework and do your research...you owe to your dog(s).

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by dwerten

oh and just wanted to say NEVER GIVE THE DENTAL VACCINE that is new and bad side effects - a dentist we saw gave it to a big dog and dog went lame in that leg and she still thought i should give to demi so i ran real fast went to another dentist and he refuses to give that vaccine so we used him -whew

I have heard they give vaccines in limbs because they can amputate if a problem like cancer have you heard this ?

This is very true, esp. in cats (better outcome if the leg can be amputated due to fibrosarcoma).

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

This is very true, esp. in cats (better outcome if the leg can be amputated due to fibrosarcoma).

Yeah when i took dd to hospital on sunday I saw a dog 11 years old a husky with an amputated front right leg and she said he had cancer in the top of the shoulder bone - it just made me think where were the vaccines given

where do they give vaccinations anyway as mine were taken to another room back then when given just curious

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by dwerten

Yeah when i took dd to hospital on sunday I saw a dog 11 years old a husky with an amputated front right leg and she said he had cancer in the top of the shoulder bone - it just made me think where were the vaccines given

where do they give vaccinations anyway as mine were taken to another room back then when given just curious

For dogs, rabies is given in the top of the right hind leg (right for rabies to remember). Most others are given subq around the shoulder blades.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

For dogs, rabies is given in the top of the right hind leg (right for rabies to remember). Most others are given subq around the shoulder blades.

interesting as this dogs was right shoulder blade and my friends cocker has a pancake cancer on butt and the vet removed it and it grew back within months so he is on chemo for the cancer so i asked her where was he being vaccinated so i am thinking possibility of rabies in his case as he is a young dog like 7 or 8 - it is such a tough thing as you want to protect them but then you do not want to get them sick

when i told her to ask where he was vaccinating he lied as she told me he did all of them in the shoulder blades so the rabies is given where he has the cancer - this is the same vet that messed up my dd with metacam and steroids mixture

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dwerten

interesting as this dogs was right shoulder blade and my friends cocker has a pancake cancer on butt and the vet removed it and it grew back within months so he is on chemo for the cancer so i asked her where was he being vaccinated so i am thinking possibility of rabies in his case as he is a young dog like 7 or 8 - it is such a tough thing as you want to protect them but then you do not want to get them sick

when i told her to ask where he was vaccinating he lied as she told me he did all of them in the shoulder blades so the rabies is given where he has the cancer - this is the same vet that messed up my dd with metacam and steroids mixture

That is very scary. It would probably help if they used different sites.