Over vaccinating

[livingdustmops]

The AKC is there to help the breeder...more puppies...more registrations...and why they support volume breeders.

AKC in 2005 did notify their breeders of some of the issues:

American Kennel Club - AKC Breeder

Here is a list of some of the research AKC has donated $$$ to that was donated to them:

American Kennel Club Search - Powered by Google

You have options and there are groups out there educating the public which is helping to change laws. Change is slow.

Just curious when the lightbulb went on for you?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

The AKC is there to help the breeder...more puppies...more registrations...and why they support volume breeders.

AKC in 2005 did notify their breeders of some of the issues:

American Kennel Club - AKC Breeder

Here is a list of some of the research AKC has donated $$$ to that was donated to them:

American Kennel Club Search - Powered by Google

You have options and there are groups out there educating the public which is helping to change laws. Change is slow.

Just curious when the lightbulb went on for you?

I researched this 4 years ago, when I first started thinking about breeding, and came across an article about the research done by a Veterinary School in Colorado.

Then came across Pet Health And Pet Care With Dr. Andrew Jones: The Online Vet and read what Dr. Jones had to say on the matter.

Change is slow, but the AKC could do a lot to change things if they lobbied for the laws to change. What good is the research if Vets are still recommending anual boosters, and local governments require anual rabies vaccination.

Laws will not change just by educating the public, it will take a large organization with lots of money to hire lobbiests. And who has more clout in the US dog world, than the AKC.

[JeanieK]

The following was sent to me in an email.

This information was sent to me with the request to put it on any and all
lists to help prevent others from having the same experience. Janet
Hello, My name is Robert Grizzle and I just lost my baby......Melly. ..my
female Airedale Puppy of 4 1/2 months and I am so devastated.. ...heartbroken
and yes very angry! I just spoke to Jay Atwood and he advised me to send you
an email explaining the events that led to my Puppy's death. When I got
Melly, she was 8 weeks old and I took her to my vet of some 8 years and she the
received her 8 weeks shots on 11/16/09...the Polyvalent multivalent
Distemper,Hepatitis ,Parvovirus, Parainfluenza, Coronavirus and had a fecal exam. The
next set of shots on 12/5/09 were the same boosters in addition to the
inhaled vaccine Bordetella.. .the vet also administered a heart worm pill the
same day. The next set of shots were given on 12/28/09 and were the same 5
boosters. I was advised to come back on 1/16/10 for the final shots which were
the same 5 vaccines in addition to the Rabies Vaccine. On 1/28/10 we noticed
that Melly slept allot that day and didn't have allot of energy, the next
day she also slept allot and seemed to be limping and had some eye mucus, we
also notice she had loose stools and some mucus with a small amount of blood
in the stool....this was Friday evening and our regular vet was closed so we
took her to the emergency Vet and they examined her and did blood
work.....the Vet said the blood was fine but she was running about a 1 degree fever
an prescribed her Metronidazole for the stomach and we went home. Melly
spent the night in bed with me that night instead of her crate beside my bed and
was very lethargic... ..in the morning she seemed to be limping more and
with more fever (1/30/09) and her gums were very pale.... this is
Saturday...well we took her to our regular vet and she was running a 105.2 fever and the
vet sais we would need to leave her and immediately pup her on IV fluids
and Penicillin.. ..we left her all day and around 8:00pm that night our vet
said we could come and take her home that her fever was down to normal and that
she was hydrated. When we got home she obviously didn't feel very good and
seemed to not run but to "Hop" she was in distress in her joints (or
possibly this was caused from the stomach....virus? ) her stools improved some but
the next morning (Sunday) we took her back to the vet (the vet met us at her
office) and took her temperature and it was normal and decided against more
IV fluids so again we took her home. Melly still didn't seem to feel good
and act a normal puppy but she did have a good appetite (this is still Sunday
1/31/10) and was still not running....she again seemed to be stiff and to
Hop. The next day 2/1/10 Monday I took her back to the vet and she was running
a 1 degree temperature and the Vet thought the she may have Panostenosis
(puppy limp from long bone growth issues) and put her on Cephalexin 250mg
times 2 a day.....I took her home and she seemed to be getting a little better
and we kept her on the Cephalexin. The following week she seemed to sleep
allot and I did research on HOD AND Pano and found that both diseases' were
for the most part self-limiting and sometimes could take a couple of weeks to
get over (I didn't know any better than to take my vets diagnosis) I kept a
close eye on her during the week and she seemed to feel some better and
always had a great appetite. On Monday 2/8/10 Melly just wasn't her self....and
I noticed that her gums were very pale....we immediately took her back to
the vet and the vet pulled blood and her RBC was down to 15-16 and after she
looked at her blood under the microscope she advised us that Melly had
Hemolytic Anemia and that her Red blood cells we autoagluttating (clumping
together)... ..we rushed her to Georgia Veterinary Specialists where they confirmed
she had Immune Mediated Hemolytic Anemia. Today 1/14/10 Monday after 7 days
of hospitalization and some $5500.00.... 2 blood transfusions prednisone and
cyclosporine Melly is dead from Vaccine Mediated Hemolytic
Anemia...... ......... .....this could all have been avoided! I am so Hurt.....so
angry.....after some 300-400 hours of doing research.... ..I'm not so sure that the
vaccines we give our dogs are not doing more harm......than good.....I found
that these vaccines actually are credited with causing the very disease we
vaccinate against as well as many hereditary diseases where the vaccines can
actually do damage genetically! If Melly's story and our pain can help at
least 1 person....then Melly didn't die in vain........ my baby is gone and the
pain is more than I can bear! Please, Please do as much research as you can
before you let any vet put vaccines in your dog.....and Never Ever let a vet
give Multivalent multiple vaccines with the Rabies Vaccine..... it may very
well destroy the dogs immune system resulting in death.
Thank You,
Robert Grizzle
1150 Old Forge Dr
Roswell Ga 30076
ph# 770-617-6507
Fax# 770-645-6079

[ladyjane]

I have one question for everyone posting on this thread:

Have you ever taken care of a pup with Distemper?

The guidelines have changed ... yes, it took a long time; but many vets were giving these immunizations NOT for money but for the reason that no one seems to focus on. These vets SEE dogs with parvo and distemper....day in and day out. They have been trained to protect dogs from these awful diseases. Actually, if I were to have my preference, I would take parvo over distemper because it is treatable.

Everyone has an opinion about immunizations ... myself included. There is a lot of research that has been done and is still being done. As for titers, they are not always accurate. I don't believe everything I read on the internet...while it may be true, my decisions for my pups will always be made by looking at studies and honestly my own experience...not emails and postings by people who are not trained in veterinary medicine or who are guessing about what happened to one of their pups. Unless you know all of what they say...such as vet records, you really do not know if their conclusions are correct.

What am I saying? ... Simple...be careful about your decision making when it comes to the health of your pups and don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[dwerten]

what about the dog that dies from a vaccine as they had a reaction to it prior? What about the dog who lives the rest of their life with a neurological condition, allergies, epilepsy, cancer, etc because of OVER vaccinating?

There is no cut and dry on this subject each owner has to do what they feel is best for their dog based on where they live and the health of that dog as remember vaccines are only to be given to HEALTHY DOGS not dogs that have HEALTH ISSUES

I trust people who i know personally and who do their research on this subject on a daily basis which is dr jean dodds. She has studied blood work for 40 plus years and she consults vets all over the world and deals with the tough cases with their vets and blood work so she sees what over vaccinating is doing to dogs and why she has agreed to do the rabies challenge to get it pushed out to 5 and then 7 years

here is her resume

DODDS-RESUME

Vets get their information from pharmaceutical companies and many if you really sit down and ask them are not 100% convinced in vaccinating after one year booster but if you do not ask them they will keep doing it as it is up to the owner to ask them as they cannot discourage vaccinations.

[dwerten]

well i guess i will get to see if titers work as the plumber that just came to my house on wednesday that did not take his shoes off and came today has a dog that was shipped to him from michigan that has PARVO and his dog was in the hospital on Tuesday and Wednesday and just came home yesterday -called vet she said not to worry since titers were fine for them and keep an eye on them for 5-7 days as the incubation period is 5-7 days so will let you know how that all works out

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dwerten

what about the dog that dies from a vaccine as they had a reaction to it prior? What about the dog who lives the rest of their life with a neurological condition, allergies, epilepsy, cancer, etc because of OVER vaccinating?

There is no cut and dry on this subject each owner has to do what they feel is best for their dog based on where they live and the health of that dog as remember vaccines are only to be given to HEALTHY DOGS not dogs that have HEALTH ISSUES

I trust people who i know personally and who do their research on this subject on a daily basis which is dr jean dodds. She has studied blood work for 40 plus years and she consults vets all over the world and deals with the tough cases with their vets and blood work so she sees what over vaccinating is doing to dogs and why she has agreed to do the rabies challenge to get it pushed out to 5 and then 7 years

here is her resume

DODDS-RESUME

Vets get their information from pharmaceutical companies and many if you really sit down and ask them are not 100% convinced in vaccinating after one year booster but if you do not ask them they will keep doing it as it is up to the owner to ask them as they cannot discourage vaccinations.

Good post.

Yes there is a risk of them getting a disease, but what are the statistics of dogs getting the disease if they have been vaccinated as puppies.

There is new information out there. Vets need to change their way of thinking.

It appears to me like there are now more risks from over vaccinating than from not vaccinating every year. and for dogs who are kept at home and not exposed to other dogs, chances are very slim that they will be exposed to any diseases.

Bordatella is not even life threatening in most healthy dogs. So unless you are required to get the vaccine, why would you do it.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Good post.

Yes there is a risk of them getting a disease, but what are the statistics of dogs getting the disease if they have been vaccinated as puppies.

There is new information out there. Vets need to change their way of thinking.

It appears to me like there are now more risks from over vaccinating than from not vaccinating every year. and for dogs who are kept at home and not exposed to other dogs, chances are very slim that they will be exposed to any diseases.

Bordatella is not even life threatening in most healthy dogs. So unless you are required to get the vaccine, why would you do it.

yeah and not all strains of bordatella are covered by vaccine and they can get kennel cough from the vaccine too

Have to say i am freaking out after this plumber incident though as my dd is on immune suppressant drugs and titered since 6 mos for parvo distemper so she never got the one year booster since she has so many health issues so i am not real happy with the plumber right now - guess it goes to show even people coming in your home you never know - Figures this would have to happen to me not like i have not gone through enough with mine so mad right now

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Good post.

Yes there is a risk of them getting a disease, but what are the statistics of dogs getting the disease if they have been vaccinated as puppies.

There is new information out there. Vets need to change their way of thinking.

It appears to me like there are now more risks from over vaccinating than from not vaccinating every year. and for dogs who are kept at home and not exposed to other dogs, chances are very slim that they will be exposed to any diseases.

Bordatella is not even life threatening in most healthy dogs. So unless you are required to get the vaccine, why would you do it.

Vets HAVE changed. The new recommendations are every three years as opposed to every year. Now, in saying that, I realize that some vets do not keep up with continuing education and what/not; but there have been changes.

My vet does not recommend them every year as you are saying. It is every three years.

I must be brain dead as I do not understand what you are saying in your second to last paragraph. I think you are saying there are more risks from over vaccinating...but compared to what? And, where are those stats? I would like to see the numbers.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by dwerten

yeah and not all strains of bordatella are covered by vaccine and they can get kennel cough from the vaccine too

Have to say i am freaking out after this plumber incident though as my dd is on immune suppressant drugs and titered since 6 mos for parvo distemper so she never got the one year booster since she has so many health issues so i am not real happy with the plumber right now - guess it goes to show even people coming in your home you never know - Figures this would have to happen to me not like i have not gone through enough with mine so mad right now

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[dwerten]

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[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dwerten

yeah and not all strains of bordatella are covered by vaccine and they can get kennel cough from the vaccine too

Have to say i am freaking out after this plumber incident though as my dd is on immune suppressant drugs and titered since 6 mos for parvo distemper so she never got the one year booster since she has so many health issues so i am not real happy with the plumber right now - guess it goes to show even people coming in your home you never know - Figures this would have to happen to me not like i have not gone through enough with mine so mad right now

I must have missed the post about trhe plumber.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I must have missed the post about trhe plumber.

yeah kind of freaking out a bit what are your thoughts on this ?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Vets HAVE changed. The new recommendations are every three years as opposed to every year. Now, in saying that, I realize that some vets do not keep up with continuing education and what/not; but there have been changes.

My vet does not recommend them every year as you are saying. It is every three years.

I must be brain dead as I do not understand what you are saying in your second to last paragraph. I think you are saying there are more risks from over vaccinating...but compared to what? And, where are those stats? I would like to see the numbers.

I would like to see the numbers too. the numbers of dogs who were vaccinated as puppies, but not after their first birthday, getting any of these diseases, compared to those who are vaccinated yearly.

Also like to see stats on the adverse affects of anual vaccinations, as have been posted, compared to the number that have actually gotten the diseases that they were vaccinated against but have not gotten anual or even 3 year boosters.

Yes SOME vets have changed, but ALL vets have this information, so why are they still pushing anual boosters? Could it be cause it's a big part of their income?

Don't tell me it's because they don't know about the 3 year vaccinations, cause I won't believe it anyway.

There is proof that over vaccinating is making dogs sick, are there any stats on how many dogs have NOT been given anual boosters, and have gotten the diseases?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dwerten

well i guess i will get to see if titers work as the plumber that just came to my house on wednesday that did not take his shoes off and came today has a dog that was shipped to him from michigan that has PARVO and his dog was in the hospital on Tuesday and Wednesday and just came home yesterday -called vet she said not to worry since titers were fine for them and keep an eye on them for 5-7 days as the incubation period is 5-7 days so will let you know how that all works out

Aww that sucks, I guess I would be freakin out too. But since yours tested as having immunity they should be good.

I guess one just never knows when people come into your home.