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Abbymartinez · 01-28-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by maxs_momma

She doesn't know if the other pup is from the same dad

What kind of a breeder is this? Did you get anything in writing from her when she sold you the pup? I do not know alot about this stuff but i do know this is wrong in so many ways

Yes I did get a brief statement from her when I got my puppy it basically said that I only had two days to take him to the Vet to make sure he was ok and that their would be no cash refunds just a puppy replacement. I'm not sure what to do now??

TLC · 01-28-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Abbymartinez

Yes I did get a brief statement from her when I got my puppy it basically said that I only had two days to take him to the Vet to make sure he was ok and that their would be no cash refunds just a puppy replacement. I'm not sure what to do now??

Here's the deal. This breeder is obviously a BAD breeder. I hate to say it, but if you return him, she will probably put him to sleep. Now, you don't even know what the true problem is with him. My 2 have liver issues and we are controling it with a special diet and supplements.

Are you in Cali? There is a puppy lemon law:

Here read this thread:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=113049

PLEASE DO NOT RETURN HIM - I have a very bad feeling about what she will do with him

TLC · 01-28-2008, 11:17 AM

Ok, I am in tears over here thinking that you might return him. PLEASE DON'T

According to that Cali puppy lemon law, you'll get $ back, but you have to notify the breeder within 5 days. BUT, you haven't even gotten any sort of test results back yet.

Please call your Vet (general Vet) and schedule a Bile Acid Test. This test cost about $70 to $80.

You will need to fast him for 12 hours, drop him off at the Vet for a 1/2 day. They draw blood, feed him a fatty food and then after 2 hours draw blood again. You'll get the results in a day or two. But this will show how the liver is functioning. If the #s are high they will lean towards MVD or a Liver Shunt.

But at that point you have those results and if they are high, you will need it on your Vet's paper, and you will need to serve this breeder with them, b/c according to the law, you are entitled to $ back from her towards the Vet bills.

MVD or Liver Shunt is NOT a death sentence. BUT first you need to find out IF he really has any liver issues at all. MVD can be controlled very easily but a special diet and supplements. A liver shunt (if operable) can be fixed, and he will live a very healthy life.

Please try to do what you can for him, b/c if you return him, I fear for his life

TLC · 01-28-2008, 11:22 AM

Read this:

http://www.dogplay.com/Breeding/lemonlaw.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=30

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...5&postcount=36

Mizzrosa · 01-28-2008, 11:25 AM

i agree and u can find ways to report her...isnt that alil too much breeding shes doing its like shes not making the mother rest she keeps having new liters is that normal...i would take her to court for emotional distress and dr bills she refuses to pay but is willing to take the dog back but ur attach to it and its emotional...go to small claims court

Abbymartinez · 01-28-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TLC

Ok, I am in tears over here thinking that you might return him. PLEASE DON'T

According to that Cali puppy lemon law, you'll get $ back, but you have to notify the breeder within 5 days. BUT, you haven't even gotten any sort of test results back yet.

Please call your Vet (general Vet) and schedule a Bile Acid Test. This test cost about $70 to $80.

You will need to fast him for 12 hours, drop him off at the Vet for a 1/2 day. They draw blood, feed him a fatty food and then after 2 hours draw blood again. You'll get the results in a day or two. But this will show how the liver is functioning. If the #s are high they will lean towards MVD or a Liver Shunt.

But at that point you have those results and if they are high, you will need it on your Vet's paper, and you will need to serve this breeder with them, b/c according to the law, you are entitled to $ back from her towards the Vet bills.

MVD or Liver Shunt is NOT a death sentence. BUT first you need to find out IF he really has any liver issues at all. MVD can be controlled very easily but a special diet and supplements. A liver shunt (if operable) can be fixed, and he will live a very healthy life.

Please try to do what you can for him, b/c if you return him, I fear for his life

Ok I just made an appointment with the Vet for a bile test to be done tomorrow morning. I'm glad to hear all this feed back from everyone it helps me alot! I'm glad to hear about the leomon law too because I will pursue her for the Vet bills. I want to save him I'm just worried that I wont be able to come up with enough money for the whole thing. But first thing first I'm getting the test done tomorrow! I just needed to hear that there is hope for all of this to work out. I'm overwhelmed thats for sure.

TLC · 01-28-2008, 11:49 AM

Yes, I know it is very scarey and it can get pricey, but please try to do what you can for him, b/c honestly you are probably the ONLY one that will.

Read up about the Lemon Law and once you get the Bile Acid Test results back, you get them to her ASAP along with the Lemon Law information. You might have to send them certified mail to have proof that she received them.

Again, liver issues are not the end of the world, ok? I have 2 and so far I have Bile Acid tested them both 3x each. My girl has higher #s and we did other blood work (approx. $150) for them to see if 'other' things were off that would conclude liver issues. We also did an ultra sound ($350) - I don't really recommend that though, b/c even though her liver was normal shape and normal size and NO shunt was seen, it doesn't mean there is not a shunt.

Your baby is still young, so I am assuming he hasn't been neutered yet. So that means, if his Bile Acid Tests are high, you can speak with your Vet about taking a Liver Biopsy at the same time they do his neuter, which would also be less expensive.

Anyway, I am just trying to help you to help him

BUT - No matter what - Go after his breeder for $ - It's the LAW!!!

And PLEASE DON'T GIVE HIM BACK

I will be here for you if you have any questions or need help understanding anything, ok?

Abbymartinez · 01-28-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TLC

Yes, I know it is very scarey and it can get pricey, but please try to do what you can for him, b/c honestly you are probably the ONLY one that will.

Read up about the Lemon Law and once you get the Bile Acid Test results back, you get them to her ASAP along with the Lemon Law information. You might have to send them certified mail to have proof that she received them.

Again, liver issues are not the end of the world, ok? I have 2 and so far I have Bile Acid tested them both 3x each. My girl has higher #s and we did other blood work (approx. $150) for them to see if 'other' things were off that would conclude liver issues. We also did an ultra sound ($350) - I don't really recommend that though, b/c even though her liver was normal shape and normal size and NO shunt was seen, it doesn't mean there is not a shunt.

Your baby is still young, so I am assuming he hasn't been neutered yet. So that means, if his Bile Acid Tests are high, you can speak with your Vet about taking a Liver Biopsy at the same time they do his neuter, which would also be less expensive.

Anyway, I am just trying to help you to help him

BUT - No matter what - Go after his breeder for $ - It's the LAW!!!

And PLEASE DON'T GIVE HIM BACK

I will be here for you if you have any questions or need help understanding anything, ok?

Thank you so much for all your help I needed some directions and I got it! Thanks I will keep you all posted. It's amazing that I found people that share the same kind of love for yorkies because some people that I have talk to tell me I'm crazy to even think about helping my puppy out, cause of how expensive it could get. So I thought maybe I was crazy! and was questioning myself, my heart really wants to help him and keep him with us.

JessicaRenee · 01-28-2008, 12:01 PM

I don't want to downplay how serious his problem could be, but I wanted to give you a little hope that it could really be nothing serious. My mom's dog, Jake, has had a "shakey" head since she got him. He doesn't do it all the time, but if he looks up suddenly or hears something unusual or sometimes for no reason at all his head sort of bobbles. It's not a fierce shake or anything, but more like his head takes a little time to balance. My great grandmother had parkinson's disease and his head bobble reminds me of the way her head would shake. It's sort of like he's very faintly shaking his head "no".

He tested out normal for everything and is now 7 years old and healthy as ever. We just call it his little quirk.

It is my hope that your puppy will turn out fine. I know there is usually a reason for ever symptom, but this one doesn't effect Jake at all and he has had no trouble out of it in 7 years.

Ellie May · 01-28-2008, 12:07 PM

A neurologist already? I'm surprised. You don't need to see a neurologicst unless his liver is fine... Yes, have your vet do a bile acid test (and they should've thought of that a loooong time ago). Then if that comes back okay, go to the neurologist. If the levels are elevated it could be shunt or MVD. These are not death sentences. If the numbers are in one range and shunt is suspected. If they are in another MVD is suspected. You can also do a Protein C test to help diagnose which one it is. After this testing does get expensive, but if it turns out to be MVD your dog will do on a low protein diet and be supplement forever. If it is a shunt outside the liver surgery has to be attempted. This is about $1300 at University of Tennessee. They are the best. It is being done all over though and has about an 85% success rate.

And I haven't had a chance to read all the responses but please listen to TLC. She has been through it with this.

Yorkieluv · 01-28-2008, 01:04 PM

If it is liver problems, it is not a death sentence. TLC is completely right...Believe me, my yorkie was diagnosed before he was even one years old, and he was much worse off than yours...He had seizures and bladder stones and all kinds of things...He was given a very grim prognosis, but he will be 4 yrs old in April now, and thanks to his diet and supplements and lactulose, he is doing great and completely seizure-free...

shashaxxx · 01-28-2008, 01:28 PM

Good luck with your baby.my mickey has started shaking a lot too and im also concerned about him so i am taking him to the vet to get checked.you get great advice here so heres hoping all is good.

Abbymartinez · 01-28-2008, 01:34 PM

Well the Vet just called me and said it would cost $80 to do the Bile and he would also like to do a liver panel, I told him what was going on with the breeder and he gave me a dicount on the liver panel from $75 to $45 he strongly recommend I get them both done at the same time so he can better determine if it is the liver? Anyone have any feed back? I said that would be fine.

TLC · 01-28-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Abbymartinez

Well the Vet just called me and said it would cost $80 to do the Bile and he would also like to do a liver panel, I told him what was going on with the breeder and he gave me a dicount on the liver panel from $75 to $45 he strongly recommend I get them both done at the same time so he can better determine if it is the liver? Anyone have any feed back? I said that would be fine.

I think that's GREAT! We LOVE discounts.

I agree that the more blood tests done will help to determine what direction to go in. The Bile Acid Test is great, but other things can be done too to see how and if the liver is effected.

I think you are on a GREAT PATH NOW!

Keep us posted

Abbymartinez · 01-28-2008, 01:51 PM

I just spoke to the breeder and told her I was going to try and help my puppy out and can you believe she said don't waste your money!

After all this is done and I get over this I will definetly report her and have her shut down! She is heartless, She keeps telling me she's going to give me another puppy

01-28-2008, 11:17 AM	#33
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	Ok, I am in tears over here thinking that you might return him. PLEASE DON'T According to that Cali puppy lemon law, you'll get $ back, but you have to notify the breeder within 5 days. BUT, you haven't even gotten any sort of test results back yet. Please call your Vet (general Vet) and schedule a Bile Acid Test. This test cost about $70 to $80. You will need to fast him for 12 hours, drop him off at the Vet for a 1/2 day. They draw blood, feed him a fatty food and then after 2 hours draw blood again. You'll get the results in a day or two. But this will show how the liver is functioning. If the #s are high they will lean towards MVD or a Liver Shunt. But at that point you have those results and if they are high, you will need it on your Vet's paper, and you will need to serve this breeder with them, b/c according to the law, you are entitled to $ back from her towards the Vet bills. MVD or Liver Shunt is NOT a death sentence. BUT first you need to find out IF he really has any liver issues at all. MVD can be controlled very easily but a special diet and supplements. A liver shunt (if operable) can be fixed, and he will live a very healthy life. Please try to do what you can for him, b/c if you return him, I fear for his life __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

01-28-2008, 11:22 AM	#34
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	Read this: http://www.dogplay.com/Breeding/lemonlaw.html http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=30 http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...5&postcount=36 __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

01-28-2008, 11:25 AM	#35
Mizzrosa Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: brooklyn Posts: 2,369	i agree and u can find ways to report her...isnt that alil too much breeding shes doing its like shes not making the mother rest she keeps having new liters is that normal...i would take her to court for emotional distress and dr bills she refuses to pay but is willing to take the dog back but ur attach to it and its emotional...go to small claims court __________________ Lil Miss Martini Butt & Mommy~Proud member of Petite Pups United! & Proud member of the Spoiled Rotten Club & Lil Heartbreakers Club

01-28-2008, 11:49 AM	#37
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	Yes, I know it is very scarey and it can get pricey, but please try to do what you can for him, b/c honestly you are probably the ONLY one that will. Read up about the Lemon Law and once you get the Bile Acid Test results back, you get them to her ASAP along with the Lemon Law information. You might have to send them certified mail to have proof that she received them. Again, liver issues are not the end of the world, ok? I have 2 and so far I have Bile Acid tested them both 3x each. My girl has higher #s and we did other blood work (approx. $150) for them to see if 'other' things were off that would conclude liver issues. We also did an ultra sound ($350) - I don't really recommend that though, b/c even though her liver was normal shape and normal size and NO shunt was seen, it doesn't mean there is not a shunt. Your baby is still young, so I am assuming he hasn't been neutered yet. So that means, if his Bile Acid Tests are high, you can speak with your Vet about taking a Liver Biopsy at the same time they do his neuter, which would also be less expensive. Anyway, I am just trying to help you to help him BUT - No matter what - Go after his breeder for $ - It's the LAW!!! And PLEASE DON'T GIVE HIM BACK I will be here for you if you have any questions or need help understanding anything, ok? __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

01-28-2008, 12:07 PM	#40
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	A neurologist already? I'm surprised. You don't need to see a neurologicst unless his liver is fine... Yes, have your vet do a bile acid test (and they should've thought of that a loooong time ago). Then if that comes back okay, go to the neurologist. If the levels are elevated it could be shunt or MVD. These are not death sentences. If the numbers are in one range and shunt is suspected. If they are in another MVD is suspected. You can also do a Protein C test to help diagnose which one it is. After this testing does get expensive, but if it turns out to be MVD your dog will do on a low protein diet and be supplement forever. If it is a shunt outside the liver surgery has to be attempted. This is about $1300 at University of Tennessee. They are the best. It is being done all over though and has about an 85% success rate. And I haven't had a chance to read all the responses but please listen to TLC. She has been through it with this. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶 Last edited by Ellie May; 01-28-2008 at 12:08 PM.

01-28-2008, 12:01 PM	#39
JessicaRenee Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Williamsburg, KY Posts: 142	I don't want to downplay how serious his problem could be, but I wanted to give you a little hope that it could really be nothing serious. My mom's dog, Jake, has had a "shakey" head since she got him. He doesn't do it all the time, but if he looks up suddenly or hears something unusual or sometimes for no reason at all his head sort of bobbles. It's not a fierce shake or anything, but more like his head takes a little time to balance. My great grandmother had parkinson's disease and his head bobble reminds me of the way her head would shake. It's sort of like he's very faintly shaking his head "no". He tested out normal for everything and is now 7 years old and healthy as ever. We just call it his little quirk. It is my hope that your puppy will turn out fine. I know there is usually a reason for ever symptom, but this one doesn't effect Jake at all and he has had no trouble out of it in 7 years.

01-28-2008, 01:04 PM	#41
Yorkieluv Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 7,178	If it is liver problems, it is not a death sentence. TLC is completely right...Believe me, my yorkie was diagnosed before he was even one years old, and he was much worse off than yours...He had seizures and bladder stones and all kinds of things...He was given a very grim prognosis, but he will be 4 yrs old in April now, and thanks to his diet and supplements and lactulose, he is doing great and completely seizure-free... __________________ Miko 's his Mommy

01-28-2008, 01:28 PM	#42
shashaxxx Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: dundee Posts: 141	Good luck with your baby.my mickey has started shaking a lot too and im also concerned about him so i am taking him to the vet to get checked.you get great advice here so heres hoping all is good.

01-28-2008, 01:34 PM	#43
Abbymartinez Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: santa clarita Posts: 53	Well the Vet just called me and said it would cost $80 to do the Bile and he would also like to do a liver panel, I told him what was going on with the breeder and he gave me a dicount on the liver panel from $75 to $45 he strongly recommend I get them both done at the same time so he can better determine if it is the liver? Anyone have any feed back? I said that would be fine.

01-28-2008, 01:51 PM	#45
Abbymartinez Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: santa clarita Posts: 53	I just spoke to the breeder and told her I was going to try and help my puppy out and can you believe she said don't waste your money! After all this is done and I get over this I will definetly report her and have her shut down! She is heartless, She keeps telling me she's going to give me another puppy