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Old 05-17-2007, 12:39 PM   #16
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Oh, and I forgot. He will be five in June. Therefore, he was abused for almost five years of his life. Consolation in that is that I did give him a happy home for two months, and he probably was happier than he had been since he was a baby.

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I am sure you did everything in your power to make it work. It's always
the poor dogs who have to suffer because of insensitive sick humans.
I am sure he will get the help he so desperately needs if Shirley promised
you he would not be put down.
I hope you do get the baby you so want very soon. That will take you
mind off of the one that had to be returned. It just breaks your heart
for these lost ones. Feel proud that you gave it your best try.
I guess they all can't be helped.




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Old 05-17-2007, 12:42 PM   #17
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Frimousse is 2 years old and went to 5 different homes before mine . She was so afraid that she would pee and poop if she was too stressed . With patience , patience , patience and lots of love , she started to gain confidence .
4 months later , she still a little bit afraid but she is going on the pee pad , have learned what a toy was for and she love to play with my other little one.

Patience and lots of love can do miracles .
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I am so sorry that you had to give him up. Do you think it's possible that he had been hit on the head during this abuse?? You said that his eyes even dilate...do you think there was some sort of damage that was caused by the abuse?

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awww I'm so sorry about this. It was very kind of you to take him into your home. He sounds like he would be a good candidate for Ceasar Milan.

I think he just needs a lot of discipline.

I hope you find the right yorkie for you and your family, normally yorkies are very kind and loving, but since Rascal came from a bad family that did not love him, I'm sure this is why he has this behavior.
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I am sorry it didn't work out. He may do better at a home with only one adult and no other pets. Maybe a women if it was a male abuser or vice versa. It sounds like a puppy would be the best way to go so you can train it from day one and know it was neverr abused. I hope he finds a home soon.
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I am so sorry that you had to give him up. Do you think it's possible that he had been hit on the head during this abuse?? You said that his eyes even dilate...do you think there was some sort of damage that was caused by the abuse?

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I am not sure. It's like he's bi-polar or something, for one minute he's this sweet, loving dog, and the next, he's a demon dog.

I do know that it was a male that abused him, and also, the family had children that aggravated him. And, since he was so bad, and they were a 'prominent' family, they had lots of company, and he was shut up in his crate most of the time.

I feel that he was hit on the head, but I don't know if he was damaged or not. What we did gain from this experience, was, even though we didn't find out what was triggering the growling/biting, we did find that he is ok with food, (was told he had a food aggression), that he's ok with other dogs, and that he will warm up to strangers. I do feel that if we had not rescued him in the first place, as Shirley said, 'He would have gone out the back door.'

Thanks again to all of you who have posted, and given me support. Even though he's not dead, I still feel as if he is.

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awww I'm so sorry about this. It was very kind of you to take him into your home. He sounds like he would be a good candidate for Ceasar Milan.

I think he just needs a lot of discipline.

I hope you find the right yorkie for you and your family, normally yorkies are very kind and loving, but since Rascal came from a bad family that did not love him, I'm sure this is why he has this behavior.

I'm sorry, but what is Caesar Milan? Thanks!!

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An ex-BF had a Yorkie who had been abused. He was almost a year old when the breeder found out about it and went and took the dog back. BF got it because sister gave to him to dog-sit and it became permanent ...

He was VERY food aggressive, prone to seizures, and if you frightened him, he turned violent. Otherwise, he was a pretty typical Yorkie -- spirited, playful and very loving. (I sure missed the dog after break-up with BF .)

Fortunately, his problems were not as pronounced as Rascal's. (There's no way he could have kept the dog if they had been.) Dog lived to about age 13 or so and BF had to have him put down.

These are the kinds of cases that just make you sick.

P.S. : Cesar Milan is a dog trainer. Has a show on cable, "The Dog Whisperer."

While a rescue is a very noble effort, you might want to seriously consider whether that is a good fit for your family.
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What a sad story! I am so sorry it didn't work out, but it sounds like you sure gave it your best!
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Check out Cesar Milan's website: http://www.dogpsychologycenter.com/.

He asserts that no dog is too far gone to be rehabilitated. We've watched many many of the episodes on the National Geographic channel and have our Tivo programmed to automatically record his program.

He also says that dogs live in the present and it is we who live in the past. Dogs will pick up on your energy and act out according to your body language and the energy you project. Cesar is very insightful when it comes to what sort of body language you are unconsciously using with your dog. He teaches his clients how to project the right energy to communicate that you are in charge, not the dog. I've seen him rehabilitate many very vicious dogs on his show that have been abused. What he says is that it is the owner's habit of not letting go of the past of these abused dogs that makes them hard to handle. Also, people tend to treat small dogs as if they were human, which makes them slightly neurotic. Dogs want to have a strong leader. If you don't project that, then they feel they must try to take charge of everything, a burden that makes them anxious and aggressive.

It sounds like you used many of his techniques, but what makes him successful in rehabing a dog is his ability to read the owner's mental state and correct it, and his unwavering determination never to give up on the dogs until he has succeeded.

If you really want your dog back (and I'm not trying to push you), you might try getting in touch with Cesar and ask if there is anything he can do to help you. As I said, he never gives up in his quest to rehabilitate.
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Oh, ya. I forgot to add something. Part of Cesar's rehabilitation is to channel a lot of the dog's excess energy into activity. He feels that walking a dog is one of the best ways to use up the negative energy and establish who is the pack leader. You may think that walking a Yorkie isn't necessary. But for a dog that is showing aggression, it is necessary, in fact essential. When you use up that excess energy, you have already taken a lot of the fight out of an aggressive dog. And the way you walk a dog is a very effective way to establish dominance. You never let the dog out of the door ahead of you, they have to wait. You always make sure the dog walks beside you and a little behind, never ahead of you. You should keep the lead slightly slack. This is important because a lead that starts pulling is a challenge to the dog to pull the other way. You should make sure your body language communicates a relaxed but assertive stance. It is important that you think of yourself as the dominant one, the one who is in charge of the situation while you are walking. Try to look objectively at yourself as you walk...are you stiff and tense?; are you too tentative and anxious?; or are you confident and sure of yourself? Your mental attitude has so much to do with how a dog will perceive itself. Dogs don't analyze, they just react to you and where your energy is at. So you've got to have the right inner attitude. This is what Cesar is so good at. He immediately sizes up what your energy is saying to the dog and how the dog is reacting to it.
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Okay, I'm really sorry to go on and on like this, but this quote from one of the blogs on Cesar's website was too appropriate to pass up:

"As humans, we tend to feel sorry for animals that seem scared. It’s our natural inclination to try and make a frightened dog feel safe. Unfortunately, that sometimes results in the dog lashing out and causing serious injury. Our coddling can nurture unwanted behavior. The “energy” of pity and guilt can be perceived by the dog as weak."

I'm done now. Getting off my soapbox.
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Oh, that poor baby! I don't know how anyone can abuse a little (or any) dog like that. Since the shelter is so close, is it possible for you to go and visit him everyday for a little while? Maybe if he's at the shelter and you visit him and take him a toy or treat and just sit with him and talk to him and hold him, he will begin to trust you. It might help because he'll see that you keep coming back and that you're good to him. I sure would at least give it a try. And, it would help you be able to see him which might make you feel a little better. I think he's just scared and he's acting out (out of fear) because he doesn't know who he can trust. I worry that he won't be able to be rehomed because of his behavior issues, and it's so not fair to him because it's not his fault that he was abused. Poor baby! The people who abused him should be shot!

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Oh, that poor baby! I don't know how anyone can abuse a little (or any) dog like that. Since the shelter is so close, is it possible for you to go and visit him everyday for a little while? Maybe if he's at the shelter and you visit him and take him a toy or treat and just sit with him and talk to him and hold him, he will begin to trust you. It might help because he'll see that you keep coming back and that you're good to him. I sure would at least give it a try. And, it would help you be able to see him which might make you feel a little better. I think he's just scared and he's acting out (out of fear) because he doesn't know who he can trust. I worry that he won't be able to be rehomed because of his behavior issues, and it's so not fair to him because it's not his fault that he was abused. Poor baby! The people who abused him should be shot!

Good luck to you!
Thanks for your idea, but I just don't think I can do that. Here's why. First, if I go down there, and he does begin to trust me, and I bring him home, only to start the cycle all over again, I cannot give him up again. It hurt too much this time. I can't go through it another time.

Second, I think he does trust me, to a certain extent, and at one point I did believe he was acting out of fear. We corrected a lot of that fear behavior. This, however, I don't think is fear. The obedience trainer and I have talked before I gave up Rascal, and she agrees. She basically told me that I was doing more harm by keeping him here, because although I had tried, I couldn't do anything else for him with this 'demon' behavior.

However, I do agree with you about this baby being abused. I know the people who did it to him, and I just want to hurt them. It makes me so angry that this dog could have been a wonderful dog, but instead, he is living a life of hell right now, all because of them.

Thanks for your advice, though. I am just so afraid that it wouldn't work if I brought him back. And, as I said, he could already be gone to Small Animal Rescue. I don't know. We were told, both by the shelter director, and our obedience trainer friend, to make a clean break from him. That we had done everything in our power to help him, but he chose to leave. I don't know if I can make the break yet, but I don't think it's a good idea to go and see him, for I WOULD bring him home.

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Oh, ya. I forgot to add something. Part of Cesar's rehabilitation is to channel a lot of the dog's excess energy into activity. He feels that walking a dog is one of the best ways to use up the negative energy and establish who is the pack leader. You may think that walking a Yorkie isn't necessary. But for a dog that is showing aggression, it is necessary, in fact essential. When you use up that excess energy, you have already taken a lot of the fight out of an aggressive dog. And the way you walk a dog is a very effective way to establish dominance. You never let the dog out of the door ahead of you, they have to wait. You always make sure the dog walks beside you and a little behind, never ahead of you. You should keep the lead slightly slack. This is important because a lead that starts pulling is a challenge to the dog to pull the other way. You should make sure your body language communicates a relaxed but assertive stance. It is important that you think of yourself as the dominant one, the one who is in charge of the situation while you are walking. Try to look objectively at yourself as you walk...are you stiff and tense?; are you too tentative and anxious?; or are you confident and sure of yourself? Your mental attitude has so much to do with how a dog will perceive itself. Dogs don't analyze, they just react to you and where your energy is at. So you've got to have the right inner attitude. This is what Cesar is so good at. He immediately sizes up what your energy is saying to the dog and how the dog is reacting to it.
Thanks for everything you've said. I'm actually going to visit his site in a minute.

We did all those things....I tried so hard not to let him assert dominance, and for me to be the dominant one, but with the 'demon' behavior, it didn't work. I don't know what was triggering that, but most of the time, he wasn't even sleeping, or had just laid down. I wish, wish, wish, that I knew how to fix him, but I don't, and I had to let go. I just hope that he finds someone to help him, and love him. That's all I want for him, is to be happy, and he wasn't happy all the time here, or he wouldn't have been doing that.

Thanks again for everyone's advice, and kind words. I came in from the store a few minutes ago, and moved some things in a chair, and there was Rascal's leash. I thought my husband had taken it with him, but apparently not. It just broke me all over again. Today was a better day, though. More better days to come, I hope.

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