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celstu1 · 05-24-2007, 08:07 AM

oohhh I feel soooo bad for you! It sounds like you did everything you could. I do wonder if the poor pup has neurological problems from being hit & kicked so much in his previous house. I know your heart is breaking for this poor baby. I mean its not his fault that he was abused and now hes so protective of himself and his territory! Very Sad! You are a wonderful wonderful person for doing what you did to give him a good quality of life. Sadly, like some people even, sometimes there is nothing you can do to help them. I do hope he finds a rescue that can work with him, or give him medical attention that he maybe needs.

(((HUGS))))

menamc · 05-25-2007, 06:27 PM

Thanks again to all of you for your wishes, hugs, and advice. It's really helped me so much, you just can't understand.

Today, I was able to tell Rascal's story to a friend who didn't know, without crying. I think...think...think..I'm over the worst. I know that my forever baby will come, and I just have to be patient. I also know that I have to remind myself that I can give a good home to a pet, and that they are loved and safe here. When Ras started acting out so much, I began blaming myself, and afterwards was even questioning bringing another into my home. I know, though, that a dog would be happy here...especially one who didn't have anywhere to go.

Again, thank you for the kindness that's poured out in this thread.

I hope everyone has a happy and safe Memorial Day weekend!!

~Melena

Fuzzywug · 05-27-2007, 10:54 PM

You absolutely did the right thing. I find it hard to believe that a shelter would adopt out a dog knowing it was a biter and not knowing or at least having a good idea of why he bites. Don't blame yourself, you did all you could. There are some cases where no matter what you try, it just doesn't work to stop the behavior. I can tell you that biting isn't always caused by abuse....... sometimes the owners don't stop the biting behavior as a puppy because then it seems cute and only playful. They let the dog become the boss. The dog becomes the dominant one in the relationship. The dog continues to become more and more dominant with time, the owners, who've let the dog take control, become afraid of the dog, then get tired of being bitten and turn it over to a shelter.

Please don't give up on rescues......... you can find wonderful, well adjusted dogs in many of them. Most will be honest and tell you everything that is apparent about the dogs' personality. Most will not take biters and certainly will not adopt them out because of the liability. Sadly, through no fault of their own, some can't be adopted. I can give you many examples of biters who were taken in by kind people, with the best of intentions only to end up causing tragedy for those who took them. Personally, and sadly, I will not take biters. It's too much of a safety risk for my own dogs and my family. It's an issue that constantly comes up in rescue.

Get another Yorkie, no matter where - find one!!! They are wonderful little companions...

robbin · 05-29-2007, 01:31 PM

Wow, what a terrible time you have been through. I don't think there is anything else you could have done to help him. If he was abused for five years, it just might take five years for him to trust someone...I think another little dog is just what the doctor ordered and wish you luck on your search.

patty58 · 05-29-2007, 01:58 PM

Oh Melena, I am so sorry for you and little Rascal. I know you did all you could and hope you believe that too. Don't doubt yourself on being able to take in a rescue and providing a forever home. Just keep looking and the right little baby will come your way. By the way, welcome to YT and I hope you big memorial day party was a big hit. Patty

Janie616 · 05-29-2007, 07:00 PM

heart breaking story ... hope you decide to get a new baby when you are ready ...

menamc · 05-30-2007, 10:55 AM

Thanks everyone.

I haven't given up on rescues...our current dog, the one my husband had before we were married, is a rescue, and I hope, hope, hope, that I can find another Yorkie through rescue.

I'm just biding my time, and being patient now. My forever baby will come. And, when she/he does, I will be ready to give it lots and lots of love!!

My party went well, except for the terror of an eight year old taking one of my floating solar lights and purposely throwing it at the side of the pool and breaking it. Then, acting as if she did nothing wrong, and shouldn't be punished. She won't be back to my pool!!

Thanks again to everyone who has replied to my story. It's been two weeks yesterday since Ras has been gone, but it seems like it's been longer for some reason.

Have a great Wednesday!!

~Melena

DONNADEE · 05-30-2007, 12:12 PM

I found a rescue for yorkies located in moulton alabama 35650 there e-mail is yorkie tuff@aol.com. I hope that helps find you a rescue there.

DONNADEE · 05-30-2007, 12:18 PM

Im sorry i found out her name is Berverly Harvey and her e-mail is
yorkietuff@aol.com, yorkie friends rescue corporation, i would e-mail her.

Donna

McKenzie's Mom · 05-30-2007, 08:15 PM

this story almost sounds like this baby has some health problems as well. It' s hard to imagine a yorkie being that bad. If he had been so abused, why is he healthy now? What would you have to do to a dog to get them to act that way??? makes you wonder......go and find another one....these are the sweetest of the sweet dogs!

DesertChildAZ · 05-31-2007, 09:06 AM

Is it possible that on top of Ras abusive history and trust issues that he suffered from some kind of chemical imbalance? Can dogs have chemical imbalances? If so, can they be treated holistically?

It probably sounds like a crazy notion, but I had a cousin who was an absolute terror and could go from being the sweetest kid to demonistic. He was about 5 and I was 16 and I was terrified of him. This went on for years and his mother refused to put him on medication that the doctor's were recommending. She tried everything and ended up dissecting his diet and his food and through the process of elimination, determined that he had a severe reaction to red dyes in his food. Once she eliminated the red dyes from his diet, he became the most affectionate and sweet kid. He's 20 now, extremely well regarded and sociable and an absolute darling.

I often wonder if people are overlooking dietary causes when animals are aggressive. It would explain why he seems bi-polar. One minute he's a sweetheart and, unprovoked, he changes in an instant. I'm not overlooking the abusive history and the subsequent fears, but is it possible that he suffered from aggressive behavior as a result of food allergies from birth and the abusive family he was raised with actually reacted to his aggression with abuse in return, not understanding his aggression?

~ Kelly

wemple2 · 05-31-2007, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DesertChildAZ

Is it possible that on top of Ras abusive history and trust issues that he suffered from some kind of chemical imbalance? Can dogs have chemical imbalances? If so, can they be treated holistically?

It probably sounds like a crazy notion, but I had a cousin who was an absolute terror and could go from being the sweetest kid to demonistic. He was about 5 and I was 16 and I was terrified of him. This went on for years and his mother refused to put him on medication that the doctor's were recommending. She tried everything and ended up dissecting his diet and his food and through the process of elimination, determined that he had a severe reaction to red dyes in his food. Once she eliminated the red dyes from his diet, he became the most affectionate and sweet kid. He's 20 now, extremely well regarded and sociable and an absolute darling.

I often wonder if people are overlooking dietary causes when animals are aggressive. It would explain why he seems bi-polar. One minute he's a sweetheart and, unprovoked, he changes in an instant. I'm not overlooking the abusive history and the subsequent fears, but is it possible that he suffered from aggressive behavior as a result of food allergies from birth and the abusive family he was raised with actually reacted to his aggression with abuse in return, not understanding his aggression?

~ Kelly

Sure does make a person wonder...could be some type of allergy...chemical imbalance, don't know. But keep looking for that special baby, if it's meant to be...it WILL be, that's my motto...will keep you in my thoughts and prayers!!!

menamc · 06-12-2007, 10:22 AM

Thanks Donna, I'm about to email her now. The funny thing is, Moulton is only about 20 minutes away from where my parents live, and where I grew up! Also, my dad lived in Moulton for years until recently.

Thanks again for all your replies. I haven't checked in lately, and I was surprised to see this thread still on the second page!!

About the food allergy...makes me wonder. I don't know, I wouldn't discount anything at this point.

Ras has been gone almost a month, but it seems like longer. I still miss him, and I hope that he's found a good home by now. I want to call and ask, but I'm afraid of what she'll tell me. Maybe I'll have my husband do it.

Thanks again to everyone....this is the best group of loving, considerate, giving people I have ever met!!

Melena

daisy mae06 · 06-12-2007, 10:37 AM

Melena My heart poors out to you. I am so sorry that you could not help little rascal. I know you did everything you could for him. Just know you did the right thing and a rescue will be able to give him what he needs hopefully. I hope that you will be able to find your perfect baby and give him/her the same love and devotion you gave rascal. you are a sait for trying to help him.

menamc · 06-14-2007, 01:46 PM

Contacted the Moulton Rescue Group.....no response yet.

So, we shall see. My baby will come, eventually.

Just as important as that right now is my job search!! I've been out of work for seven months due to the move back to Bama, and then the move from our rental house to our 'forever' house in April. So, now I'm really focused on the job search, and have a test with the city next week. That's keeping my mind off the sadness of Rascal right now.

Oh, that and....(I know this doesn't belong here, but have to say this!)...I'm going to a used-to-be-good friends wedding this weekend. First, she's having it on Father's Day weekend, and 9 hours from most everyone. Second, she did alot of decorations for mine, and even though we paid her and she didn't get us a gift..(didn't really care)...I still felt I wanted to get here something. I emailed her and asked where they were registered. Her response..Pay Attention Here...'We're not registered anywhere. We want Monetary Gifts.' Ummm..what?? Excuse me? I'm sorry but that's just a little unclassy. So, that has positively been taking my mind off Rascal this week!! I did get her a gift...a nice gift..but it was only $13. I went with the purpose of buying cheap...which I NEVER do!! My DH said we should make a donation in their name to the Cancer Society or something. My aunt said...'Send her a $1 bill in a card.' But, I'll just go ahead and send the present to her. Apparently, it's not 'cool' to take a present to a wedding. Or, that's what my MIL told me before mine.

Sorry for putting that in.....but that has been renting space in my head for awhile.

Hope everyone is cool....and that you've been getting rain. We haven't had rain here in about two months. I feel really bad for the farmers. It's raining some out there right now....but it'll stop soon.

Have a great weekend!!

~Melena

05-24-2007, 08:07 AM	#46
celstu1 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 10,534	oohhh I feel soooo bad for you! It sounds like you did everything you could. I do wonder if the poor pup has neurological problems from being hit & kicked so much in his previous house. I know your heart is breaking for this poor baby. I mean its not his fault that he was abused and now hes so protective of himself and his territory! Very Sad! You are a wonderful wonderful person for doing what you did to give him a good quality of life. Sadly, like some people even, sometimes there is nothing you can do to help them. I do hope he finds a rescue that can work with him, or give him medical attention that he maybe needs. (((HUGS)))) __________________ “Petting, scratching, and cuddling a dog could be as soothing to the mind and heart as deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer.” ― Dean Koontz

05-27-2007, 10:54 PM	#48
Fuzzywug Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 103	Rascal You absolutely did the right thing. I find it hard to believe that a shelter would adopt out a dog knowing it was a biter and not knowing or at least having a good idea of why he bites. Don't blame yourself, you did all you could. There are some cases where no matter what you try, it just doesn't work to stop the behavior. I can tell you that biting isn't always caused by abuse....... sometimes the owners don't stop the biting behavior as a puppy because then it seems cute and only playful. They let the dog become the boss. The dog becomes the dominant one in the relationship. The dog continues to become more and more dominant with time, the owners, who've let the dog take control, become afraid of the dog, then get tired of being bitten and turn it over to a shelter. Please don't give up on rescues......... you can find wonderful, well adjusted dogs in many of them. Most will be honest and tell you everything that is apparent about the dogs' personality. Most will not take biters and certainly will not adopt them out because of the liability. Sadly, through no fault of their own, some can't be adopted. I can give you many examples of biters who were taken in by kind people, with the best of intentions only to end up causing tragedy for those who took them. Personally, and sadly, I will not take biters. It's too much of a safety risk for my own dogs and my family. It's an issue that constantly comes up in rescue. Get another Yorkie, no matter where - find one!!! They are wonderful little companions...

05-29-2007, 07:00 PM	#51
Janie616 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,093	heart breaking story ... hope you decide to get a new baby when you are ready ... __________________ Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Louis Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresa, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein." -- H. Jackson Brown

05-30-2007, 12:18 PM	#54
DONNADEE YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: MARIETTA GEORGIA Posts: 689	Im sorry i found out her name is Berverly Harvey and her e-mail is yorkietuff@aol.com, yorkie friends rescue corporation, i would e-mail her. Donna Last edited by DONNADEE; 05-30-2007 at 12:21 PM.

05-30-2007, 08:15 PM	#55
McKenzie's Mom YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 4	sad story this story almost sounds like this baby has some health problems as well. It' s hard to imagine a yorkie being that bad. If he had been so abused, why is he healthy now? What would you have to do to a dog to get them to act that way??? makes you wonder......go and find another one....these are the sweetest of the sweet dogs!

05-25-2007, 06:27 PM	#47
menamc Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Prattville, Alabama Posts: 26	Thanks again to all of you for your wishes, hugs, and advice. It's really helped me so much, you just can't understand. Today, I was able to tell Rascal's story to a friend who didn't know, without crying. I think...think...think..I'm over the worst. I know that my forever baby will come, and I just have to be patient. I also know that I have to remind myself that I can give a good home to a pet, and that they are loved and safe here. When Ras started acting out so much, I began blaming myself, and afterwards was even questioning bringing another into my home. I know, though, that a dog would be happy here...especially one who didn't have anywhere to go. Again, thank you for the kindness that's poured out in this thread. I hope everyone has a happy and safe Memorial Day weekend!! ~Melena

05-29-2007, 01:31 PM	#49
robbin Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pottstown, PA Posts: 111	Wow, what a terrible time you have been through. I don't think there is anything else you could have done to help him. If he was abused for five years, it just might take five years for him to trust someone...I think another little dog is just what the doctor ordered and wish you luck on your search.

05-29-2007, 01:58 PM	#50
patty58 Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: texas Posts: 5,272	Oh Melena, I am so sorry for you and little Rascal. I know you did all you could and hope you believe that too. Don't doubt yourself on being able to take in a rescue and providing a forever home. Just keep looking and the right little baby will come your way. By the way, welcome to YT and I hope you big memorial day party was a big hit. Patty

05-30-2007, 10:55 AM	#52
menamc Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Prattville, Alabama Posts: 26	Thanks everyone. I haven't given up on rescues...our current dog, the one my husband had before we were married, is a rescue, and I hope, hope, hope, that I can find another Yorkie through rescue. I'm just biding my time, and being patient now. My forever baby will come. And, when she/he does, I will be ready to give it lots and lots of love!! My party went well, except for the terror of an eight year old taking one of my floating solar lights and purposely throwing it at the side of the pool and breaking it. Then, acting as if she did nothing wrong, and shouldn't be punished. She won't be back to my pool!! Thanks again to everyone who has replied to my story. It's been two weeks yesterday since Ras has been gone, but it seems like it's been longer for some reason. Have a great Wednesday!! ~Melena

05-30-2007, 12:12 PM	#53
DONNADEE YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: MARIETTA GEORGIA Posts: 689	I found a rescue for yorkies located in moulton alabama 35650 there e-mail is yorkie tuff@aol.com. I hope that helps find you a rescue there.

05-31-2007, 09:06 AM	#56
DesertChildAZ YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 349	Is it possible that on top of Ras abusive history and trust issues that he suffered from some kind of chemical imbalance? Can dogs have chemical imbalances? If so, can they be treated holistically? It probably sounds like a crazy notion, but I had a cousin who was an absolute terror and could go from being the sweetest kid to demonistic. He was about 5 and I was 16 and I was terrified of him. This went on for years and his mother refused to put him on medication that the doctor's were recommending. She tried everything and ended up dissecting his diet and his food and through the process of elimination, determined that he had a severe reaction to red dyes in his food. Once she eliminated the red dyes from his diet, he became the most affectionate and sweet kid. He's 20 now, extremely well regarded and sociable and an absolute darling. I often wonder if people are overlooking dietary causes when animals are aggressive. It would explain why he seems bi-polar. One minute he's a sweetheart and, unprovoked, he changes in an instant. I'm not overlooking the abusive history and the subsequent fears, but is it possible that he suffered from aggressive behavior as a result of food allergies from birth and the abusive family he was raised with actually reacted to his aggression with abuse in return, not understanding his aggression? ~ Kelly __________________ Don't feed your yorkies "Greenies". Their lives depend on it.

06-12-2007, 10:22 AM	#58
menamc Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Prattville, Alabama Posts: 26	Thanks Donna, I'm about to email her now. The funny thing is, Moulton is only about 20 minutes away from where my parents live, and where I grew up! Also, my dad lived in Moulton for years until recently. Thanks again for all your replies. I haven't checked in lately, and I was surprised to see this thread still on the second page!! About the food allergy...makes me wonder. I don't know, I wouldn't discount anything at this point. Ras has been gone almost a month, but it seems like longer. I still miss him, and I hope that he's found a good home by now. I want to call and ask, but I'm afraid of what she'll tell me. Maybe I'll have my husband do it. Thanks again to everyone....this is the best group of loving, considerate, giving people I have ever met!! Melena

06-12-2007, 10:37 AM	#59
daisy mae06 Kodi & Pixie 2 Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NEBRASKA Posts: 14,766	Melena My heart poors out to you. I am so sorry that you could not help little rascal. I know you did everything you could for him. Just know you did the right thing and a rescue will be able to give him what he needs hopefully. I hope that you will be able to find your perfect baby and give him/her the same love and devotion you gave rascal. you are a sait for trying to help him. __________________ OK Yorkie Rescue - http://okyorkierescue.org LorisCritterSitter.com

06-14-2007, 01:46 PM	#60
menamc Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Prattville, Alabama Posts: 26	Contacted the Moulton Rescue Group.....no response yet. So, we shall see. My baby will come, eventually. Just as important as that right now is my job search!! I've been out of work for seven months due to the move back to Bama, and then the move from our rental house to our 'forever' house in April. So, now I'm really focused on the job search, and have a test with the city next week. That's keeping my mind off the sadness of Rascal right now. Oh, that and....(I know this doesn't belong here, but have to say this!)...I'm going to a used-to-be-good friends wedding this weekend. First, she's having it on Father's Day weekend, and 9 hours from most everyone. Second, she did alot of decorations for mine, and even though we paid her and she didn't get us a gift..(didn't really care)...I still felt I wanted to get here something. I emailed her and asked where they were registered. Her response..Pay Attention Here...'We're not registered anywhere. We want Monetary Gifts.' Ummm..what?? Excuse me? I'm sorry but that's just a little unclassy. So, that has positively been taking my mind off Rascal this week!! I did get her a gift...a nice gift..but it was only $13. I went with the purpose of buying cheap...which I NEVER do!! My DH said we should make a donation in their name to the Cancer Society or something. My aunt said...'Send her a $1 bill in a card.' But, I'll just go ahead and send the present to her. Apparently, it's not 'cool' to take a present to a wedding. Or, that's what my MIL told me before mine. Sorry for putting that in.....but that has been renting space in my head for awhile. Hope everyone is cool....and that you've been getting rain. We haven't had rain here in about two months. I feel really bad for the farmers. It's raining some out there right now....but it'll stop soon. Have a great weekend!! ~Melena