CBD oil for dogs

[woofwoofwoof]

Does anyone have experience with giving CBD oil to their dogs. Is it safe?

[Lovetodream88]

Its safe when used correctly and made sure there is no THC in it. I use it on my oldest and it has been amazing. I prefer human grade to the dog products and it can be expensive but generally with CBD oil the more expensive the better grade it is. What are you wanting to use it for?

[woofwoofwoof]

I want to use it to see if maybe it shrinks the lump on my pup

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by woofwoofwoof

I want to use it to see if maybe it shrinks the lump on my pup

I do not think it will work for that.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Until product case studies with peer review are done for its use specifically in dogs, I'd be terrified to use it. The claims of the actual manufacturer as to the ingredients, benefits, safety measures used, toxicity, etc. are all just claims, with no proof as to any side effects or long term use results. For all you know, it could shut your dog's kidneys down one day or give him/her anemia or cancer.

I'd be very careful of using products that have no history of case studies of use/prolonged use or without government oversight and cited peer review. For all you know, some of the ingredients used are cheap, useless grains or filler, toxins or the lab they're mixed, produced, bottled and/or stored in is rodent/insect/pesticide-infested or resides near a chemical plant producing lethal products! Just because the manufacturer produces a lovely bottle of product with labels making beautiful claims doesn't mean the ingredients in it are as stated or actually do anything but produce placebo-effect per statements online or in a magazine that may all/partly be fake or paid for.

I just couldn't do it until I knew a whole lot more about the product's long-term efficacy knowing who paid for and did and commented on the results of the case studies and manufacturer's bona fides.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Until product case studies with peer review are done for its use specifically in dogs, I'd be terrified to use it. The claims of the actual manufacturer as to the ingredients, benefits, safety measures used, toxicity, etc. are all just claims, with no proof as to any side effects or long term use results. For all you know, it could shut your dog's kidneys down one day or give him/her anemia or cancer.

I'd be very careful of using products that have no history of case studies of use/prolonged use or without government oversight and cited peer review. For all you know, some of the ingredients used are cheap, useless grains or filler, toxins or the lab they're mixed, produced, bottled and/or stored in is rodent/insect/pesticide-infested or resides near a chemical plant producing lethal products! Just because the manufacturer produces a lovely bottle of product with labels making beautiful claims doesn't mean the ingredients in it are as stated or actually do anything but produce placebo-effect per statements online or in a magazine that may all/partly be fake or paid for.

I just couldn't do it until I knew a whole lot more about the product's long-term efficacy knowing who paid for and did and commented on the results of the case studies and manufacturer's bona fides.

I’m using it for Callie and she’s like a puppy again and not hurting. The ingredients are listed on the bottle. In AKC family dog magazine I read an article how there are studies being done and the AKC is even paying for some. I disagree that it is as dangerous as you are trying to make it sound. I can’t speak for the pet products because I use human grade and like I said the ingredients are listed on the bottle. I much happier using this then adding another pain medicine which will for a fact effect her liver. Being done by the government and FDA honestly mean nothing much these days considering all the medicines and things they ok that kills people or has serious side effects.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I’m using it for Callie and she’s like a puppy again and not hurting. The ingredients are listed on the bottle. In AKC family dog magazine I read an article how there are studies being done and the AKC is even paying for some. I disagree that it is as dangerous as you are trying to make it sound. I can’t speak for the pet products because I use human grade and like I said the ingredients are listed on the bottle. I much happier using this then adding another pain medicine which will for a fact effect her liver. Being done by the government and FDA honestly mean nothing much these days considering all the medicines and things they ok that kills people or has serious side effects.

I remember years back reading in the Dallas Times Herald articles about tons of people using an OTC muscle builder/supplement of some type and it led to serious complications for too many, seem to think it was L-lysine or something but I was a 20-something and that was years back. Series of newspaper articles about it and my sister and I talked about it frequently as she'd taken a portion of a bottle of it. Not to mention, you have NO IDEA what ingredients are actually used, safety record of the drug over long-term use in dogs, the manufacturer or storage facilities unless you have pretty darn reliable empirical evidence you are willing to bet your dog's health on. Just because a magazine article mentions it by no means ensures any drug or supplement safety, if you know how many magazines generate content. And if Hill's Prescription dog food manufacturers can get it wrong, kill many dogs slowly, painfully, think what havoc some of these lesser-known, foreign-based or cheaper manufacturers or their supplies might wreak on unsuspecting dogs' health. Many OTC drugs/supplements contain potentially dangerous ingredients - this is from Google:

Yes. Many supplements contain active ingredients that have strong biological effects in the body. This could make them unsafe in some situations and hurt or complicate your health. For example, the following actions could lead to harmful – even life-threatening – consequences.Nov 29, 2017

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I’m using it for Callie and she’s like a puppy again and not hurting. The ingredients are listed on the bottle. In AKC family dog magazine I read an article how there are studies being done and the AKC is even paying for some. I disagree that it is as dangerous as you are trying to make it sound. I can’t speak for the pet products because I use human grade and like I said the ingredients are listed on the bottle. I much happier using this then adding another pain medicine which will for a fact effect her liver. Being done by the government and FDA honestly mean nothing much these days considering all the medicines and things they ok that kills people or has serious side effects.

While I'm super-wary of OTC drugs for use on my little one, I'm not quite that psycho about myself, as my lifespan is far longer than Tibbe's. Have you ever used CBD oil for your own pain or other symptoms? I've heard so much about its use in humans for pain and I think nausea(have a lot of nausea since the partial colon resection) and am getting more and more interested in using it myself to aid in pain and nausea treatment.

Have you or any subscriber of this thread had or do you know anyone who has used it and did it help joint/nerve pain and were there any side effects" I hate the way my pain medicine makes me feel so I just take it in pieces over time to avoid the head rush, which I'm pretty phobic of.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I remember years back reading in the Dallas Times Herald articles about tons of people using an OTC muscle builder/supplement of some type and it led to serious complications for too many, seem to think it was L-lysine or something but I was a 20-something and that was years back. Series of newspaper articles about it and my sister and I talked about it frequently as she'd taken a portion of a bottle of it. Not to mention, you have NO IDEA what ingredients are actually used, safety record of the drug over long-term use in dogs, the manufacturer or storage facilities unless you have pretty darn reliable empirical evidence you are willing to bet your dog's health on. Just because a magazine article mentions it by no means ensures any drug or supplement safety, if you know how many magazines generate content. And if Hill's Prescription dog food manufacturers can get it wrong, kill many dogs slowly, painfully, think what havoc some of these lesser-known, foreign-based or cheaper manufacturers or their supplies might wreak on unsuspecting dogs' health. Many OTC drugs/supplements contain potentially dangerous ingredients - this is from Google:

Yes. Many supplements contain active ingredients that have strong biological effects in the body. This could make them unsafe in some situations and hurt or complicate your health. For example, the following actions could lead to harmful – even life-threatening – consequences.Nov 29, 2017

I think you misunderstood me I did not get my information from a magazine article. I did learn in the article that ones study has been done and the AKC is paying for it. I am not using some cheap product what I am buying is human grade which has to list the ingredients and on their website of the brand I buy has a specific certification of analysis. You don’t know what’s in an aspirin for sure either but bet you take one when you have a headache. CBD oil is very safe and is much better for Callie’s liver then the pain medicine she would needed upped if it weren’t for the CBD oil. I did not go out and just buy some and give it to her blindly. I did A LOT of research on it and even talked to my vet about it. I would never do anything to harm Callie just help her and make her better. If only you could see the difference it has made then maybe you would understand.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I think you misunderstood me I did not get my information from a magazine article. I did learn in the article that ones study has been done and the AKC is paying for it. I am not using some cheap product what I am buying is human grade which has to list the ingredients and on their website of the brand I buy has a specific certification of analysis. You don’t know what’s in an aspirin for sure either but bet you take one when you have a headache. CBD oil is very safe and is much better for Callie’s liver then the pain medicine she would needed upped if it weren’t for the CBD oil. I did not go out and just buy some and give it to her blindly. I did A LOT of research on it and even talked to my vet about it. I would never do anything to harm Callie just help her and make her better. If only you could see the difference it has made then maybe you would understand.

Yes, I did misunderstand about the article and I totally believe CBD oil is helping Callie. I'm not trying to upset you and certainly not pick a fight over CBD oil but I'm just very, very cautious about drugs I give Tibbe, just as I would my child, just having to have more research and oversight before I use something on him than there is on CBD oil use in dogs, particularly toy dogs like Tibbe. I, and my parents and older sister, have taken Bayer aspirin for years, heartened once we learned of them, dozens of Bayer aspirin research studies and dozens of years of good empirical evidence, with long-term records of hospital uses, physicians prescribing it since it was introduced in 1899, to show that if taken as prescribed, it's safe for most humans in most cases and efficacious when properly prescribed and used. But I can't say the same of CBD oil. CBD oil hasn't been comparatively sold, prescribed, researched or used as widely in this country as Bayer aspirin or long enough for any reasonable comparison, let alone ingredient purity/toxicity long-term safety comparisons; and I doubt if many know much of its many manufacturers' safety history or ingredient sourcing.

Until there is more widely-recognized research of any product on dogs and more oversight over the CBD oil industry, I just cannot willing decide, under any circumstances, to give my one and only baby, the one dog that means everything in this world to me, something that may be helping now but could, possibly, over time, do something dreadful such as ulcerate his stomach lining through, his liver or kidneys or even give him cancer, as improbable as that may sound now to CBD oil fanciers. One day, if more than one vet specialist pronounced Tibbe were dying, I might try something out of desperation if it seemed to help him. If he were dying anyway, I can see taking the risk. And I think I might take the risk for my own use.

Just Googled it and CBD oil is against the law in Texas so I won't be able to use it for myself until and if it's legislated for use here. Hopefully if and when it is legislated saleable here, somehow they will mandate some type of regulatory oversight to help ensure product safety. Really glad it is working for your elder girl, Callie, and really, truly hope CBD oil continues to serve everyone taking it well and safely as there seems to be so much hope and help in what I've read and heard.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Yes, I did misunderstand about the article and I totally believe CBD oil is helping Callie. I'm not trying to upset you and certainly not pick a fight over CBD oil but I'm just very, very cautious about drugs I give Tibbe, just as I would my child, just having to have more research and oversight before I use something on him than there is on CBD oil use in dogs, particularly toy dogs like Tibbe. I, and my parents and older sister, have taken Bayer aspirin for years, heartened once we learned of them, dozens of Bayer aspirin research studies and dozens of years of good empirical evidence, with long-term records of hospital uses, physicians prescribing it since it was introduced in 1899, to show that if taken as prescribed, it's safe for most humans in most cases and efficacious when properly prescribed and used. But I can't say the same of CBD oil. CBD oil hasn't been comparatively sold, prescribed, researched or used as widely in this country as Bayer aspirin or long enough for any reasonable comparison, let alone ingredient purity/toxicity long-term safety comparisons; and I doubt if many know much of its many manufacturers' safety history or ingredient sourcing.

Until there is more widely-recognized research of any product on dogs and more oversight over the CBD oil industry, I just cannot willing decide, under any circumstances, to give my one and only baby, the one dog that means everything in this world to me, something that may be helping now but could, possibly, over time, do something dreadful such as ulcerate his stomach lining through, his liver or kidneys or even give him cancer, as improbable as that may sound now to CBD oil fanciers. One day, if more than one vet specialist pronounced Tibbe were dying, I might try something out of desperation if it seemed to help him. If he were dying anyway, I can see taking the risk. And I think I might take the risk for my own use.

Just Googled it and CBD oil is against the law in Texas so I won't be able to use it for myself until and if it's legislated for use here. Hopefully if and when it is legislated saleable here, somehow they will mandate some type of regulatory oversight to help ensure product safety. Really glad it is working for your elder girl, Callie, and really, truly hope CBD oil continues to serve everyone taking it well and safely as there seems to be so much hope and help in what I've read and heard.

Callie is almost 12 and has significant health issues so long term effects are not really an issue. Right now it’s about keeping her happy and comfortable. My dogs are my life and I would never do anything to harm them ever. I probably would not use it on a long term basis with the younger ones but I guess it would depend on the situation. CBD oil with out THC is legal in every state. If you want it with THC that’s different.

[yorkietalkjilly]

I didn't know CBD oil w/out THC is legal in Texas. That being the case, I might try it on myself but just couldn't on Tibbe until there has been more research.

Just interested, would you or do you know of anyone who would use CBD oil on your/their human baby?

FYI, on another thread where I was talking about the dangers of OTC manufactured drugs, might have been one of your threads, I found several links to online articles about the extremely serious, even deadly, situation I was remembering. I recall reading about it and talking to my sister about it, as she had taken some of it. Heck, now that I think back, seems like everyone was taking amino acid, protein powder and muscle-building supplements to help build muscle, as those were the days of Jane Fonda's workout videos and athletes were downing it like candy. Was also about the time many athletes began using andro, so it was about 20 years later than I'd thought.

But here is one of the links on the L-tryptophan OTC supplement drug. One article I read stated 1500 cases, 37 deaths before L-tryptophan was recalled for a time. You can also find research on it on Google Scholar. I'd be interested in researching the safety of CBD oil in dogs. Taking amino acids, proteins was a very big deal to those trying to keep up with workouts, building muscle and stamina at the time. Billie, my sister, bought hers at GNC at the mall. Below is the link to one of the many online articles and the last copy of a statement posted from Google Search Answers I posted on that thread.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseas...lgia-syndrome/

Yes. Many supplements contain active ingredients that have strong biological effects in the body. This could make them unsafe in some situations and hurt or complicate your health. For example, the following actions could lead to harmful – even life-threatening – consequences.Nov 29, 2017

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I didn't know CBD oil w/out THC is legal in Texas. That being the case, I might try it on myself but just couldn't on Tibbe until there has been more research.

Just interested, would you or do you know of anyone who would use CBD oil on your/their human baby?

FYI, on another thread where I was talking about the dangers of OTC manufactured drugs, might have been one of your threads, I found several links to online articles about the extremely serious, even deadly, situation I was remembering. I recall reading about it and talking to my sister about it, as she had taken some of it. Heck, now that I think back, seems like everyone was taking amino acid, protein powder and muscle-building supplements to help build muscle, as those were the days of Jane Fonda's workout videos and athletes were downing it like candy. Was also about the time many athletes began using andro, so it was about 20 years later than I'd thought.

But here is one of the links on the L-tryptophan OTC supplement drug. One article I read stated 1500 cases, 37 deaths before L-tryptophan was recalled for a time. You can also find research on it on Google Scholar. I'd be interested in researching the safety of CBD oil in dogs. Taking amino acids, proteins was a very big deal to those trying to keep up with workouts, building muscle and stamina at the time. Billie, my sister, bought hers at GNC at the mall. Below is the link to one of the many online articles and the last copy of a statement posted from Google Search Answers I posted on that thread.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseas...lgia-syndrome/

Yes. Many supplements contain active ingredients that have strong biological effects in the body. This could make them unsafe in some situations and hurt or complicate your health. For example, the following actions could lead to harmful – even life-threatening – consequences.Nov 29, 2017

CBD oil is definitely different then a protein body builder supplement. I have many stories of people using CBD oil on kids with cancer and kids with constant seizure issues. My dogs are my babies so yes would be the answer especially if I was in the situations many parents are in when they do it. All studies on it show it’s very safe and almost impossible to OD on. This is not a new thing it just has gotten more press lately.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Do you mind me asking what you are giving little Callie this drug for and if you used regulated prescription drugs first to no avail?

[yorkietalkjilly]

The final studies on the epidemic from the non-regulated, non-prescription OTC drug L-tryptophan, an OTC amino acid supplement available at nutrition and pharmacies who sell OTC drugs, revealed the causes for the illnesses/deaths:

Causes
Although almost all cases of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome in the 1989 epidemic were traced back to ingestion of contaminated L-tryptophan manufactured by a single company, namely Showa Denko K.K. (Tokyo, Japan), a large petrochemical company, the precise contaminant causing the disease is still unknown.

There had been isolated cases of EMS diagnosed before the epidemic of 1989 and there have been after, as well. The isolated cases of EMS diagnosed before the epidemic of 1989 were attributed to L-tryptophan dietary supplements. The isolated cases of EMS that are currently being diagnosed are attributed to L-tryptophan or 5-HTP dietary supplements. During the time that L-tryptophan was taken off the market, the closely related dietary supplement 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) was used as a substitute, and it continues to be so used. The amino acid 5-HTP is found on the metabolic pathway that converts the essential amino acid L-tryptophan to the neurotransmitter serotonin. Because serotonin helps to regulate sleep and mood (among other things), it is thought that ingesting L-tryptophan or 5-HTP, thus purportedly improving sleep and mood, will increase this neurotransmitter.

The National Eosinophilia Myalgia Syndrome Network (NEMSN), for the past several years, has also been receiving reports from people who have developed EMS-like symptoms soon after ingesting manufactured L-tryptophan, 5-HTP, or other products containing L-tryptophan or 5-HTP, such as certain body building products, weight loss supplements, and sleep aids.

Affected Populations
Eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome was identified as an epidemic in 1989 after three people in New Mexico were identified with the disorder. The exact incidence of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome is unknown. One estimate indicates that anywhere from 5,000-10,000 people developed the disorder during the epidemic. Most reported individuals are females and from the United States. However, eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome has been reported in other countries as well including Germany, Canada and the United Kingdom.

Related Disorders
Symptoms of the following disorders can be similar to those of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome. Comparisons may be useful for a differential diagnosis.

Eosinophilic fasciitis is a rare disorder characterized by inflammation of the tough band of fibrous tissue beneath the skin (fascia). The arms and legs are most often affected. Inflammation is caused by the abnormal accumulation of certain white blood cells including eosinophils in the fascia. Eosinophilic fasciitis eventually causes the skin to swell and slowly thicken and harden (induration). The disorder most commonly affects middle-aged adults. The exact cause of eosinophilic fasciitis is unknown. Some researchers believe that eosinophilic fasciitis is a variant of scleroderma (systemic sclerosis), an autoimmune connective tissue disorder characterized by hardening of the skin. Eosinophilic fasciitis commonly afflicted EMS patients. (For more information on this disorder, choose “eosinophilic fasciitis” as your search term in the Rare Disease Database.)

Toxic oil syndrome is a rare disorder that occurred in Spain in the early 1980s. Affected individuals developed a variety of symptoms including shortness of breath (dyspnea), cough, chest pain, headaches, and fever. Additional symptoms occurred in some cases including abdominal pain, difficulty swallowing (dysphagia), nausea, a skin rash, itching (pruritus), a rapid heartbeat (tachycardia), an abnormally enlarged liver (hepatomegaly) and an abnormally enlarged spleen (splenomegaly). Eventually, affected individuals develop severe muscle pain and cramps. Affected individuals also had abnormally high levels of eosinophils (a type of white blood cell) in the body (eosinophilia). Toxic oil syndrome was caused by rapeseed oil, which was intended for industrial use, but fraudulently sold as olive oil. Researchers believe that toxins found in the rapeseed oil (as part of the refinement process), such as fatty acid compounds (anilides), caused the symptoms of the disorder. However, as with EMS, the cause of the toxic oil syndrome remains a mystery.

Eosinophilic disorder is a general term for any disorder characterized by infiltration of the skin and tissue by a certain type of white blood cell called eosinophils, including disease resulting from arthropod bites, infections, and drug reactions. Churg-Strauss syndrome, hypereosinophilic syndrome and eosinophilic cellulitis are examples of disorders characterized by elevated levels of eosinophils. (For more information on these disorders, choose the specific disorder name as your search term in the Rare Disease Database.)

Diagnosis
EMS is a syndrome with multiple clinical presentations and variable severity. The first clinical reports showed that most patients developed profound eosinophilia and severe myalgias. Further, other symptoms included joint pains, weakness or fatigue, difficulty breathing or cough, rash, headache, peripheral edema (swelling), fever and abnormal tingling sensations. Most patients also showed an elevation of an enzyme called serum aldolase, which is an indicator of muscle damage. About one-half of the patients had abnormal liver function tests.

Clinical and histopathological findings of EMS overlap those of eosinophilic fasciitis a fibrotic syndrome characterized by tender swelling and hardening of subcutaneous tissues especially in arms and legs.

There are no medical tests to definitively diagnose EMS. Many physicians lack knowledge of EMS, and therefore, patients may be diagnosed with diseases that have overlapping symptoms, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, lupus, arthritis, fasciitis, and other autoimmune or neuromuscular disorders with similar symptoms. Criteria for the diagnosis have been described that are useful.

Standard Therapies
Treatment

There are no peer-reviewed guidelines for the standard of care of EMS patients. Because of the variety and diversity of how EMS manifests, patients are treated based on their individual symptoms and may be prescribed muscle relaxants, analgesics, and diuretics.

High doses of corticosteroids may help reduce inflammation, However, most researchers have concluded that this course of treatment does not reduce the severity or duration of EMS symptoms.

In the acute phase, patients who have intense muscle pain and cramps may need to limit or avoid strenuous physical activity. Some patients have required hospitalization. In the chronic phase, patients who keep as physically active as possible seem to do better than others.

Investigational Therapies
Information on current clinical trials is posted on the Internet at www.clinicaltrials.gov . All studies receiving U.S. government funding, and some supported by private industry, are posted on this government web site.

For information about clinical trials being conducted at the NIH Clinical Center in Bethesda, MD, contact the NIH Patient Recruitment Office:

Tollfree: (800) 411-1222
TTY: (866) 411-1010
Email: prpl@cc.nih.gov

Some current clinical trials also are posted on the following page on the NORD website: https://rarediseases.org/for-patient...t-recruitment/

For information about clinical trials sponsored by private sources, contact: www.centerwatch.com.

For information about clinical trials conducted in Europe, contact: https://www.clinicaltrialsregister.eu/

NORD Member Organizations
American Partnership for Eosinophilic Disorders (APFED)
PO Box 29545
Atlanta, GA 30359
Phone: (713) 493-7749
Website: http://www.apfed.org
National Eosinophilia Myalgia Syndrome Network
P O Box 4171
Monitor Station
West New York, NJ 07093 USA
Phone: (201) 868-5791
Email: nemsntalk@aol.com, nemsnnewseditor@gmail.com
Website: home | National Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome Network
Other Organizations
Campaign Urging Research for Eosinophilic Disease (CURED)
PO Box 32
Lincolnshire, IL 60069
Phone: (847) 361-3292
Email: ellyn@curedfoundation.org
Website: http://www.curedfoundation.org
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
1600 Clifton Road NE
Atlanta, GA 30333
Phone: (404) 639-3534
Toll-free: (800) 232-4636
Email: cdcinfo@cdc.gov
Website: http://www.cdc.gov/

References
JOURNAL ARTICLES
Fernstrom JD. Effects and side effects associated with the non-nutritional use of tryptophan by humans. J Nutr. 2012;142:2236S-2244S. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23077193

Valent P, Klion AD, Rosenwasser LJ, et al. ICON: eosinophil disorders. World Allergy Organ J. 2012;5:174-181. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23282419

Allen JA, Peterson A, Sufit R, et al. Post-epidemic eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome associated with L-tryptophan. Arthritis Rheum. 2011;63:3633-3639. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21702023

Margolin L. Non-L-tryptophan related eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome with hypoprotinemia and hypoalbuminemia. J Rheumatol. 2003;30:628-629. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12610828

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