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04-04-2019, 01:43 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Los Angeles
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| CBD oil for dogs Does anyone have experience with giving CBD oil to their dogs. Is it safe? |
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04-04-2019, 01:47 PM | #2 |
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| Its safe when used correctly and made sure there is no THC in it. I use it on my oldest and it has been amazing. I prefer human grade to the dog products and it can be expensive but generally with CBD oil the more expensive the better grade it is. What are you wanting to use it for?
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04-04-2019, 01:54 PM | #3 |
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| I want to use it to see if maybe it shrinks the lump on my pup |
04-04-2019, 02:00 PM | #4 |
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| I do not think it will work for that.
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04-05-2019, 08:44 AM | #5 |
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| Until product case studies with peer review are done for its use specifically in dogs, I'd be terrified to use it. The claims of the actual manufacturer as to the ingredients, benefits, safety measures used, toxicity, etc. are all just claims, with no proof as to any side effects or long term use results. For all you know, it could shut your dog's kidneys down one day or give him/her anemia or cancer. I'd be very careful of using products that have no history of case studies of use/prolonged use or without government oversight and cited peer review. For all you know, some of the ingredients used are cheap, useless grains or filler, toxins or the lab they're mixed, produced, bottled and/or stored in is rodent/insect/pesticide-infested or resides near a chemical plant producing lethal products! Just because the manufacturer produces a lovely bottle of product with labels making beautiful claims doesn't mean the ingredients in it are as stated or actually do anything but produce placebo-effect per statements online or in a magazine that may all/partly be fake or paid for. I just couldn't do it until I knew a whole lot more about the product's long-term efficacy knowing who paid for and did and commented on the results of the case studies and manufacturer's bona fides.
__________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis |
04-05-2019, 09:45 AM | #6 | |
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
04-06-2019, 11:16 AM | #7 | |
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Yes. Many supplements contain active ingredients that have strong biological effects in the body. This could make them unsafe in some situations and hurt or complicate your health. For example, the following actions could lead to harmful – even life-threatening – consequences.Nov 29, 2017
__________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis | |
04-06-2019, 12:04 PM | #8 | |
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Have you or any subscriber of this thread had or do you know anyone who has used it and did it help joint/nerve pain and were there any side effects" I hate the way my pain medicine makes me feel so I just take it in pieces over time to avoid the head rush, which I'm pretty phobic of.
__________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis | |
04-06-2019, 03:58 PM | #9 | |
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
04-06-2019, 05:08 PM | #10 | |
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Until there is more widely-recognized research of any product on dogs and more oversight over the CBD oil industry, I just cannot willing decide, under any circumstances, to give my one and only baby, the one dog that means everything in this world to me, something that may be helping now but could, possibly, over time, do something dreadful such as ulcerate his stomach lining through, his liver or kidneys or even give him cancer, as improbable as that may sound now to CBD oil fanciers. One day, if more than one vet specialist pronounced Tibbe were dying, I might try something out of desperation if it seemed to help him. If he were dying anyway, I can see taking the risk. And I think I might take the risk for my own use. Just Googled it and CBD oil is against the law in Texas so I won't be able to use it for myself until and if it's legislated for use here. Hopefully if and when it is legislated saleable here, somehow they will mandate some type of regulatory oversight to help ensure product safety. Really glad it is working for your elder girl, Callie, and really, truly hope CBD oil continues to serve everyone taking it well and safely as there seems to be so much hope and help in what I've read and heard.
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04-06-2019, 05:56 PM | #11 | |
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
04-06-2019, 06:39 PM | #12 |
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| I didn't know CBD oil w/out THC is legal in Texas. That being the case, I might try it on myself but just couldn't on Tibbe until there has been more research. Just interested, would you or do you know of anyone who would use CBD oil on your/their human baby? FYI, on another thread where I was talking about the dangers of OTC manufactured drugs, might have been one of your threads, I found several links to online articles about the extremely serious, even deadly, situation I was remembering. I recall reading about it and talking to my sister about it, as she had taken some of it. Heck, now that I think back, seems like everyone was taking amino acid, protein powder and muscle-building supplements to help build muscle, as those were the days of Jane Fonda's workout videos and athletes were downing it like candy. Was also about the time many athletes began using andro, so it was about 20 years later than I'd thought. But here is one of the links on the L-tryptophan OTC supplement drug. One article I read stated 1500 cases, 37 deaths before L-tryptophan was recalled for a time. You can also find research on it on Google Scholar. I'd be interested in researching the safety of CBD oil in dogs. Taking amino acids, proteins was a very big deal to those trying to keep up with workouts, building muscle and stamina at the time. Billie, my sister, bought hers at GNC at the mall. Below is the link to one of the many online articles and the last copy of a statement posted from Google Search Answers I posted on that thread. https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseas...lgia-syndrome/ Yes. Many supplements contain active ingredients that have strong biological effects in the body. This could make them unsafe in some situations and hurt or complicate your health. For example, the following actions could lead to harmful – even life-threatening – consequences.Nov 29, 2017
__________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis |
04-06-2019, 07:29 PM | #13 | |
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
04-06-2019, 07:47 PM | #14 |
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| Do you mind me asking what you are giving little Callie this drug for and if you used regulated prescription drugs first to no avail?
__________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis |
04-06-2019, 08:06 PM | #15 |
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| The final studies on the epidemic from the non-regulated, non-prescription OTC drug L-tryptophan, an OTC amino acid supplement available at nutrition and pharmacies who sell OTC drugs, revealed the causes for the illnesses/deaths: Causes Although almost all cases of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome in the 1989 epidemic were traced back to ingestion of contaminated L-tryptophan manufactured by a single company, namely Showa Denko K.K. (Tokyo, Japan), a large petrochemical company, the precise contaminant causing the disease is still unknown. There had been isolated cases of EMS diagnosed before the epidemic of 1989 and there have been after, as well. The isolated cases of EMS diagnosed before the epidemic of 1989 were attributed to L-tryptophan dietary supplements. The isolated cases of EMS that are currently being diagnosed are attributed to L-tryptophan or 5-HTP dietary supplements. During the time that L-tryptophan was taken off the market, the closely related dietary supplement 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) was used as a substitute, and it continues to be so used. The amino acid 5-HTP is found on the metabolic pathway that converts the essential amino acid L-tryptophan to the neurotransmitter serotonin. Because serotonin helps to regulate sleep and mood (among other things), it is thought that ingesting L-tryptophan or 5-HTP, thus purportedly improving sleep and mood, will increase this neurotransmitter. The National Eosinophilia Myalgia Syndrome Network (NEMSN), for the past several years, has also been receiving reports from people who have developed EMS-like symptoms soon after ingesting manufactured L-tryptophan, 5-HTP, or other products containing L-tryptophan or 5-HTP, such as certain body building products, weight loss supplements, and sleep aids. Affected Populations Eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome was identified as an epidemic in 1989 after three people in New Mexico were identified with the disorder. The exact incidence of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome is unknown. One estimate indicates that anywhere from 5,000-10,000 people developed the disorder during the epidemic. Most reported individuals are females and from the United States. However, eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome has been reported in other countries as well including Germany, Canada and the United Kingdom. Related Disorders Symptoms of the following disorders can be similar to those of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome. Comparisons may be useful for a differential diagnosis. Eosinophilic fasciitis is a rare disorder characterized by inflammation of the tough band of fibrous tissue beneath the skin (fascia). The arms and legs are most often affected. Inflammation is caused by the abnormal accumulation of certain white blood cells including eosinophils in the fascia. Eosinophilic fasciitis eventually causes the skin to swell and slowly thicken and harden (induration). The disorder most commonly affects middle-aged adults. The exact cause of eosinophilic fasciitis is unknown. Some researchers believe that eosinophilic fasciitis is a variant of scleroderma (systemic sclerosis), an autoimmune connective tissue disorder characterized by hardening of the skin. Eosinophilic fasciitis commonly afflicted EMS patients. (For more information on this disorder, choose “eosinophilic fasciitis” as your search term in the Rare Disease Database.) Toxic oil syndrome is a rare disorder that occurred in Spain in the early 1980s. Affected individuals developed a variety of symptoms including shortness of breath (dyspnea), cough, chest pain, headaches, and fever. Additional symptoms occurred in some cases including abdominal pain, difficulty swallowing (dysphagia), nausea, a skin rash, itching (pruritus), a rapid heartbeat (tachycardia), an abnormally enlarged liver (hepatomegaly) and an abnormally enlarged spleen (splenomegaly). Eventually, affected individuals develop severe muscle pain and cramps. Affected individuals also had abnormally high levels of eosinophils (a type of white blood cell) in the body (eosinophilia). Toxic oil syndrome was caused by rapeseed oil, which was intended for industrial use, but fraudulently sold as olive oil. Researchers believe that toxins found in the rapeseed oil (as part of the refinement process), such as fatty acid compounds (anilides), caused the symptoms of the disorder. However, as with EMS, the cause of the toxic oil syndrome remains a mystery. Eosinophilic disorder is a general term for any disorder characterized by infiltration of the skin and tissue by a certain type of white blood cell called eosinophils, including disease resulting from arthropod bites, infections, and drug reactions. Churg-Strauss syndrome, hypereosinophilic syndrome and eosinophilic cellulitis are examples of disorders characterized by elevated levels of eosinophils. (For more information on these disorders, choose the specific disorder name as your search term in the Rare Disease Database.) Diagnosis EMS is a syndrome with multiple clinical presentations and variable severity. The first clinical reports showed that most patients developed profound eosinophilia and severe myalgias. Further, other symptoms included joint pains, weakness or fatigue, difficulty breathing or cough, rash, headache, peripheral edema (swelling), fever and abnormal tingling sensations. Most patients also showed an elevation of an enzyme called serum aldolase, which is an indicator of muscle damage. About one-half of the patients had abnormal liver function tests. Clinical and histopathological findings of EMS overlap those of eosinophilic fasciitis a fibrotic syndrome characterized by tender swelling and hardening of subcutaneous tissues especially in arms and legs. There are no medical tests to definitively diagnose EMS. Many physicians lack knowledge of EMS, and therefore, patients may be diagnosed with diseases that have overlapping symptoms, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, lupus, arthritis, fasciitis, and other autoimmune or neuromuscular disorders with similar symptoms. Criteria for the diagnosis have been described that are useful. Standard Therapies Treatment There are no peer-reviewed guidelines for the standard of care of EMS patients. Because of the variety and diversity of how EMS manifests, patients are treated based on their individual symptoms and may be prescribed muscle relaxants, analgesics, and diuretics. High doses of corticosteroids may help reduce inflammation, However, most researchers have concluded that this course of treatment does not reduce the severity or duration of EMS symptoms. In the acute phase, patients who have intense muscle pain and cramps may need to limit or avoid strenuous physical activity. Some patients have required hospitalization. In the chronic phase, patients who keep as physically active as possible seem to do better than others. Investigational Therapies Information on current clinical trials is posted on the Internet at www.clinicaltrials.gov . All studies receiving U.S. government funding, and some supported by private industry, are posted on this government web site. For information about clinical trials being conducted at the NIH Clinical Center in Bethesda, MD, contact the NIH Patient Recruitment Office: Tollfree: (800) 411-1222 TTY: (866) 411-1010 Email: prpl@cc.nih.gov Some current clinical trials also are posted on the following page on the NORD website: https://rarediseases.org/for-patient...t-recruitment/ For information about clinical trials sponsored by private sources, contact: www.centerwatch.com. For information about clinical trials conducted in Europe, contact: https://www.clinicaltrialsregister.eu/ NORD Member Organizations American Partnership for Eosinophilic Disorders (APFED) PO Box 29545 Atlanta, GA 30359 Phone: (713) 493-7749 Website: http://www.apfed.org National Eosinophilia Myalgia Syndrome Network P O Box 4171 Monitor Station West New York, NJ 07093 USA Phone: (201) 868-5791 Email: nemsntalk@aol.com, nemsnnewseditor@gmail.com Website: home | National Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome Network Other Organizations Campaign Urging Research for Eosinophilic Disease (CURED) PO Box 32 Lincolnshire, IL 60069 Phone: (847) 361-3292 Email: ellyn@curedfoundation.org Website: http://www.curedfoundation.org Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Road NE Atlanta, GA 30333 Phone: (404) 639-3534 Toll-free: (800) 232-4636 Email: cdcinfo@cdc.gov Website: http://www.cdc.gov/ References JOURNAL ARTICLES Fernstrom JD. Effects and side effects associated with the non-nutritional use of tryptophan by humans. J Nutr. 2012;142:2236S-2244S. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23077193 Valent P, Klion AD, Rosenwasser LJ, et al. ICON: eosinophil disorders. World Allergy Organ J. 2012;5:174-181. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23282419 Allen JA, Peterson A, Sufit R, et al. Post-epidemic eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome associated with L-tryptophan. Arthritis Rheum. 2011;63:3633-3639. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21702023 Margolin L. Non-L-tryptophan related eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome with hypoprotinemia and hypoalbuminemia. J Rheumatol. 2003;30:628-629. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12610828 Continued next post:
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