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10-11-2012, 07:43 AM | #1 |
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| Vaccines and diarrhea? Layla got diarrhea last night (Wednesday night) and I'm wondering if it could have some connection to the vaccines she got Tuesday night. On Tuesday we took all three dogs in for booster shots. The ones Layla got were rabies and DHPP. THe other two dogs are fine (except some tenderness in Kash's back leg area, which could just be sore from the shots because he got one in each side). Layla stayed at my grandma's house yesterday while we were at work and there were no accidents. My grandma is away on holidays and Layla couldn't have gotten into anything, so I know she didn't eat anything while she was there. After work she had a good pee and lots of poop but it was good and solid. Last night she pooped again in the house and it was very soft but still formed. (for those who don't know, she is paraplegic and can't feel herself poop so it's not out of character - but we do express it and normally she doesn't go in between expressings). While I was upstairs an hour or so later, my husband came up and said she had a pool of diarrhea, and when he picked her up it squirted out of her butt onto the wall He cleaned it all up. That was around 10:00. He tried expressing her and got some pee out but she was just really gassy. At midnight we got up and she had a trail of liquid poop from our bedroom to the bathroom. He showered her off, I cleaned up the trail. At 2:00 again, we had to clean her, and the floor. Then again at 4:00. Then we got up at 6 and she seemed better, but then at 6:30 again, the trail of poop I fed her plain rice this morning, and I went to the store for a can of 100%pumpkin and gave her about a tablespoon full - she gobbled it up! I am working from home today so I can be with her and keep her clean if needed. She does not seem lethargic today - she is sure barking at her brother and sister when they try to get attention! Oh, but I can't get her to pee. She hasn't gone since last night but there is nothing in her bladder. She has water right in front of her - should I force her to drink? I worry about dehydration with all the diarrhea. Do you guys think this could be a side effect of one of the vaccines? She has never had a reaction like this before, so that's why I wonder. There was nothing else she could get into though. The first soft poop started almost exactly 24 hours after her shots.
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10-11-2012, 11:31 AM | #2 |
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| I think yes, it very well could be the vaccines. Maybe get one at a time, with a month in between would be easier on her system. If the diarrhea lasts longer than 24 hours, I'd take her to the vet. Wouldn't hurt to encourage her to drink...
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10-11-2012, 11:54 AM | #3 |
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| Thanks for the reply! I really don't remember her getting two vaccines at once ever before actually, so maybe it was just because of the two. For some reason both were due at the same time this year. I know we only do rabies every 3 years and that came up this year so maybe that's why. Anyways, no diarrhea now since this morning. It's been about 6 or 7 hours now so that's a plus! There is no poop at all yet but I'm hoping it's going to be closer to normal when it does come. I did add a tiny bit of chicken broth to her water and she drank it up... I was able to express her bladder about an hour later and it came out really clear. I think that's a good sign... if she was dehydrated I think it would be a lot more concentrated. She is resting now. I really hope this is the end of it. I can still smell that diarrhea mixed with Lysol and Clorox lingering in my nose every once in awhile. I tell ya, having human children someday is probably going to kill me when I can barely handle some doggy diarrhea lol But she sure did stink up the house last night!
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10-11-2012, 12:00 PM | #4 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | When you pay for the vaccine, you also pay for follow-up calls. I would definitely let the vet know about this, I don't think it's absolutely the cause, but it could be, and it should be written in her permanent records. I've heard you shouldn't get rabies with any other shots. Also, if it is some type of allergic reaction, you don't know to which shot she's sensitive. Hope she's feeling better soon!
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10-11-2012, 01:21 PM | #5 |
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| Definitely could be! How old is Layla? Just wondering if DHPP is even necessary anymore... Once they have a reaction, the next one is usually worse. Hope she feels better!
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10-11-2012, 01:26 PM | #6 |
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| Layla is almost 7. I didn't know it wasn't needed as they got older. The vet also said she normally gives a kennel cough vaccine but we wouldn't need it since Layla is never boarded anywhere. I really don't want her to be over-vaccinated! So far, still no diarrhea. She is zonked out sleeping still. Turns out some of us who stayed up all night still have to work all day Another hour or so and I think I'll be napping too!
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10-11-2012, 01:45 PM | #7 |
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| Okay I'm losing my mind. It gets confusing when we take three dogs in for one vet appointment! Layla only had ONE vaccine on Tuesday. I just checked my records. The vet gives her DHPP + CV annually (which I will probably cut back on now that I know that) and rabies every three years. She is due for rabies again next year. The other two, Lucy and Kash, had two shots each, and theirs were rabies and DHPP + CV. I know that they were vaccinated before adopting them from a rescue last year. So I don't know, I'm just kind of confused about it all! I noticed on Layla's papers there were two little stickers on it from the vaccine labels, and one said "Killed Virus" and one said "Modified Live Virus" So I wonder if the modified live virus could be the cause? I will talk to the vet about it I guess!
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10-11-2012, 02:18 PM | #8 |
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| Vaccines are somewhat controversial, however there are hardened facts regarding their pros and cons that isn't just some internet hogwash. For a while there, yearly vaccines were the thing to do. Nearly all vets recommended yearly vaccines. That is now a thing of the past! And any vet who is doing them is not following AAHA protocol (which is every 3 years) and simply out for money or just ignorant to the new facts. It sounds like your vet isn't doing yearlys though, which is good!! Lots do them every 3 years. I just think after a certain point they are totally unncessary. Boosters aren't really 'boostering' anything once they've over 1 year old. They are either immune or their not. Here's a good thread with a lot of info: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-not-give.html Canine Vaccine Recommendations - Page 1 Dr Dodd's vaccine protocol: Dr-Dodds-ChangingVaccProtocol The AAHA (The American Animal Hospital Association) protocol is what most vets should follow (especially if they are an AAHA accredited office). Currently, the schedule is every 3 years, however it's been proven they last much longer. Yearly vaccines have been proven to be harmful and unnecessary, even by the biggest animal association that vet practices should follow by. "immunity lasts at least 5 years for distemper and parvo, and at least 7 years for adenovirus." The Best Part About the New Dog Vaccination Guidelines I'm really glad Layla is feeling better!
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10-11-2012, 02:50 PM | #9 |
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| Thank you Britster! I am going to read through all of your links. We are in Canada, so I'm not sure if the standard protocol is different, but I do really agree that animals are overvaccinated. The DHPP + CV is given annually by my vet, and that is multiple vaccines in one. I don't think I will have them get it yearly anymore. They are inside dogs and are very rarely around any other dogs. Most of their exercise comes from just running around our own house or back yard. I think that for the most part, their chances of getting most viruses to begin with is pretty low.
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10-11-2012, 04:19 PM | #10 | ||
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AAHA hospitals are also in Canada. There is also a CVMA (Canadian Vet Medical Association). Vets make a lot of money off vaccines plain and simple. If they are vaccinating yearly, it is for their benefit - not our pets. Quote:
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10-12-2012, 08:28 AM | #11 | |
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Anyways, we had decided we'll take Layla to the university vet clinic for any of her care, and we'd just go to our local vet for vaccinations. I guess that is a money grab too!
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10-12-2012, 08:33 AM | #12 |
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| Oh and Layla is feeling much better today! She had a solid poop overnight My husband put a little bit of pumpkin on her breakfast this morning to make sure it's going to stay solid and she doesn't mess up my grandma's floors today!
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10-12-2012, 12:08 PM | #13 | |
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I still can't believe what happened to Layla - you guys are such awesome pet parents though! You've given her a CHANCE and an amazing life, and it sounds like she's doing pretty great otherwise. I'm glad she's pretty much back to normal.
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10-12-2012, 12:44 PM | #14 | |
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What you said is exactly how I have felt too. I just want to trust whatever they say because they're the ones with the training, and they should know how to make my dog better. And a part of me feels uncomfortable telling them I don't agree.
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10-13-2012, 03:43 AM | #15 |
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| I'm glad that Layla is better now She's a special little girl!
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