Puzzled?

[OnlytheBest]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Sadly I have seen pups die because of what you are saying that we are supposed to do. If you take the time to peruse this forum you will find many. I also sadly know that some pups that are currently living with their owners and suffering because their owners cannot afford them. The owners profess their love for their pets...I personally don't consider that love.

The day I tell people how to treat their pups and avoid going to the vet is the day I hope someone takes my computer away from me. The op snapped at all of us who suggested she take her pup to a vet....oh nothing wrong with her snapping, but you question my sarcasm? Seems to me that the majority suggested the reasonable thing to do and one person only wanted to appease. To each his own...she asked for advice and I believe the best advice she got was exactly what the majority gave her. She doesn't like it? So what? The dog probably does not like having whatever is wrong with it either.

As for suggesting insurance fraud....well let's just say I avoided that post, but people thinking like that is exactly what is wrong with our country's insurance problems!

People need to be RESPONSIBLE and that is the bottom line. If you have children, make sure you can afford to raise them. Same goes for pets...don't have them if you cannot afford the care. Pretty simple in my way of thinking.

Bottom Line is does anyone seriously think anyone needs to tell her to go to a vet...she didn't ask anyone for life advise or to prove if she was a snob enough to "AFFORD TREATMENT" Apples and oranges folks......get with the program!

I love it when people assume......remember what happens when you assume

Oh and BTW...Insurance fraud is when you have a diagnosis(which she doesn't) and for people who cannot afford treatment....(I do not assume she cannot) In fact I will step out on the limb and hope her pups issue is minor and a new vet might help her get a second opinion and some insurance might help her have some extra confidence. It never hurts to ask...and when a FRIEND asks for my experience I give them what they ask for...I tell them once and then they do as they please. It's called a free world. because I am an eternal optimist i will always look for solutions and manifest destiny.....( it works i swear) So I stand by my advise since you didn't mention your poor baby was suffering or on it's death bed..I won't assume I deserve to be a yorkie owner any more than you do.....I stand by my advise.....get insurance(confidence to get the best care) and a second opinion and also call the Revival gals... they are sooooooo Nice and really easy to talk to. Like a good friend not a frienenemy....

[OnlytheBest]

I won't assume you cannot afford your dog or that you are irresponsible or that your dog is suffering and i will surely share with you that most people aren't committing fraud because they cannot pay for their pets care and that is why they have insurance.. As you Yorkie talk friend i think you would have more confidence in getting a second opinion and looking into Carecredit.
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Good luck with your baby my friend and i stand by the ladies at revival... they are super helpful with research and so down to EARTH and willing to HELP.__________________

[kjc]

My apologies... I seem to have left out the obvious... Bloodwork. This would probably be done first, or along with a urinalysis. Usually a General Panel (CBC and Chemistries)(these tests may be named differently at different clinics) to access the overall state of health of your dog. Your vet may decide to add other blood tests to that depending on what is found on the initial exam.

FYI: Never agree to vaccinate a dog thet is not 100% feeling good. If your pup is not acting right, just agree to come back in a week or two, but go ahead and make the appointment to do it. (If I come back within a month for anything related to the original problem, or a postponed vaccine, my vet will either not charge for the second office visit or will charge me at a reduced 're-check' rate. (JMHO)

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by OnlytheBest

Bottom Line is does anyone seriously think anyone needs to tell her to go to a vet...she didn't ask anyone for life advise or to prove if she was a snob enough to "AFFORD TREATMENT" Apples and oranges folks......get with the program!

I love it when people assume......remember what happens when you assume

Oh and BTW...Insurance fraud is when you have a diagnosis(which she doesn't) and for people who cannot afford treatment....(I do not assume she cannot) In fact I will step out on the limb and hope her pups issue is minor and a new vet might help her get a second opinion and some insurance might help her have some extra confidence. It never hurts to ask...and when a FRIEND asks for my experience I give them what they ask for...I tell them once and then they do as they please. It's called a free world. because I am an eternal optimist i will always look for solutions and manifest destiny.....( it works i swear) So I stand by my advise since you didn't mention your poor baby was suffering or on it's death bed..I won't assume I deserve to be a yorkie owner any more than you do.....I stand by my advise.....get insurance(confidence to get the best care) and a second opinion and also call the Revival gals... they are sooooooo Nice and really easy to talk to. Like a good friend not a frienenemy....

Actually I believe that statement is incorrect. Soft fraud is what this would be called. Someone who knows there is a condition (does not need to be a diagnosis....IF there were one, then it would not be as easily done) and does not report it when obtaining insurance IS committing fraud. Insurance is NOT set up for people to buy it when they know there might be a problem. While it may not be as egregious as other forms of fraud, it is fraud; and the many people who do these types of things are part of the reason we have an insurance problem in this country.

As to the rest of your post, you have your opinions and I have mine.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kjc

My apologies... I seem to have left out the obvious... Bloodwork. This would probably be done first, or along with a urinalysis. Usually a General Panel (CBC and Chemistries)(these tests may be named differently at different clinics) to access the overall state of health of your dog. Your vet may decide to add other blood tests to that depending on what is found on the initial exam.

FYI: Never agree to vaccinate a dog thet is not 100% feeling good. If your pup is not acting right, just agree to come back in a week or two, but go ahead and make the appointment to do it. (If I come back within a month for anything related to the original problem, or a postponed vaccine, my vet will either not charge for the second office visit or will charge me at a reduced 're-check' rate. (JMHO)

I just want to know how the OP is going to do these things without going to a vet.

[MaddiesMommie]

Originally Posted by rewyn

My little dog Daisy has this strange problem. Since we no longer have our dog insurance, I thought I would ask your opinions on the matter. She has this hard "shell" of dried pee and blood, from her vaginal area. We wipe our dogs as they come in from outside. And normally the fur is not hard, but recently it has been. What could be the problem? Does my dog have a urinary tract infection? Or worse? And what can I do, she's bathed regularly and her diet is very stable. Any advice?

Originally Posted by rewyn

FINALLY! some one who understands what I have been asking! Thank you immensely. And for you others, I plan on visiting another vet, I had just wanted your opnions if you have ever encountered this situation before. I just wanted to be more informed when I go back to the vet. Geez.

Good. I am glad to see you plan on seeking a second opinion.
There is no way for anyone to KNOW you were planning on seeing a second vet by your OP.

[Ellie May]

What diagnostics and treatments did the first vet do?
Are you sure they didn't say to come back for more testing if X drug didn't work (may have been trying to start with the cheapest thing so that they didn't spend your money unnecessarily)?

[ladyjane]

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Don't know why I am shocked to see this. No diagnostics by a professional. Just go to a website and purchase things for self treatment.

I am curious, are you with the breeders you are touting all over YT?

[YorkieRose]

I think I am so jaded and mistrusting of so many posts...I wish your Yorkie well..andhope the new vet solves the problem.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by rewyn

FINALLY! some one who understands what I have been asking! Thank you immensely. And for you others, I plan on visiting another vet, I had just wanted your opnions if you have ever encountered this situation before. I just wanted to be more informed when I go back to the vet. Geez.

I'm so glad that you have decided to visit another vet to address this problem. Keep us posted on her progress.

As for some suggestions you received here like a long litany of tests needed or the suggestion to buy your own supplies or whatever at Revival I think you would be just saving time and money to see another vet who will get to the bottom of this problem.

Yes, it is a free world, but it's a world in which your dog depends on you. That means you have to step up to the plate and get the dog help. There is no other way around it. Self-diagnosis and self treatment with supplies as implied by "ONLY THE BEST" is a recipe for disaster and is not a FRIEND thing to do. Friends don't beat around the bush, they cut right to the chase and tell you their true opinions.

Best wishes.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by OnlytheBest

As a pet lover and a human all around who chooses NOT to snipe and judge people for exploring options online~ We are a yorkie community and this should be a place where anyone with a love for this breed(or any other) can come to ask for some advise without all this sarcasm.
Now someone has asked for our advise without neededing to share every detail or be torn at.
So lets put on our best and look for some help.


Again....darlin. maybe it's just staining like all the other details some sweet girls shared. I know how hard and expensive vet bills can be and the alternative when you dont have funds is the next best thing. the internet and research. So, I think I liked the one persons advise that you seek getting some insurance before you get a firm diagnoisis and itf that is not in your cards then go to the REVIVAL ANIMAL gals and techs for some help. I love that company personally.....hold on a min and I'll find you a number.....ok got it. 1-800-786-4751...I love these sweethearts who go the extra mile , are down to earth and help with finding you a solution.. love em love em love em.
So NO JUDGMENT and good luck finding help with your baby and I personally thank you for letting me try and help a fellow yorkie lover.

How is that not a snipe?

Bottom line, the internet or a 1-800 phone number is NO substitute for a hands on examination by a licensed vet.

BTW -Insurance fraud is when you knowingly withhold information from the company. They can make a case for preexisting conditions based upon the fact that the dog was seen for a problem and that a REASONABLE person would be aware that a problem existed or had the potential to exist, even if it wasn't formally diagnosed.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

What diagnostics and treatments did the first vet do?
Are you sure they didn't say to come back for more testing if X drug didn't work (may have been trying to start with the cheapest thing so that they didn't spend your money unnecessarily)?

Great post! If your vet tried an antibiotic (you never said what the "generic" medication was) and it didn't work, it's probably time for a urine culture.

As Crystal said, vets will often prescribe a round of Clavamox or Baytril to see if that clears it up before suggesting tests, xrays, etc.

FYI, untreated urinary tract infections can spread throughout the body and even become life threatening. Treatment will be a lot more expensive if your Yorkie has to be hospitalized and get antibiotics via an IV.

[caw]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

A generic drug is one that isn't a name brand. For instance, Tylenol is the brand name, Acetaminophen is the generic name.



Seriously? Why would you advocate holding off on getting a dog treatment while they try to set up insurance? If the dog is sick, it needs to be seen. Also, because she does have a history of taking the dog to the vet for this, even if there isn't a definitive diagnosis, then it would be considered a preexisting condition and not be covered under a new plan.

You do it on-line. It doesn't take very long. I wasn't "advocating" she put off going and seeing a vet ASAP. It take only a matter of minutes to get yourself some pet insurance coverage. Anyway, I didn't think about the fact that she had already taken her dog to the vet and that it's already in her dogs medical history. So, you are right, it is too late now. Go the the vet.

[caw]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

How is that not a snipe?

Bottom line, the internet or a 1-800 phone number is NO substitute for a hands on examination by a licensed vet.

BTW -Insurance fraud is when you knowingly withhold information from the company. They can make a case for preexisting conditions based upon the fact that the dog was seen for a problem and that a REASONABLE person would be aware that a problem existed or had the potential to exist, even if it wasn't formally diagnosed.

She had a licensed vet that didn't make a formal diagnosis. He doesn't know what is wrong, if anything. I don't think that would be insurance "fraud" at this point. She's had it checked out. The vet "no, can, do". What's fraudulent about getting back on the insurance? The insurance company will have access to the records, including the examination done by this vet. She wouldn't be hiding anything. I didn't advise her to hide anything. I just suggested to her that maybe she should reconsider getting back on her pet insurance. Maybe they would be able to cover anything that would come up in the future. Maybe.....maybe not. I don't know.

[caw]

Originally Posted by caw

You do it on-line. It doesn't take very long. I wasn't "advocating" she put off going and seeing a vet ASAP. It take only a matter of minutes to get yourself some pet insurance coverage. Anyway, I didn't think about the fact that she had already taken her dog to the vet and that it's already in her dogs medical history. So, you are right, it is too late now. Go the the vet.

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

A generic drug is one that isn't a name brand. For instance, Tylenol is the brand name, Acetaminophen is the generic name.



Seriously? Why would you advocate holding off on getting a dog treatment while they try to set up insurance? If the dog is sick, it needs to be seen. Also, because she does have a history of taking the dog to the vet for this, even if there isn't a definitive diagnosis, then it would be considered a preexisting condition and not be covered under a new plan.

Actually, I think PetPlan might cover a condition if there is not a definite diagnosis. PetPlan offers the best insurance plan and coverage...in my opinion. This all is probably neither here nor there, as I bet she has already taken her dog to the vet.