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cesar49 · 06-25-2008, 12:01 PM

i say dont bile acid test
no blood draws from jugular

no over vaccinating.
use single dose vials of vaccines

multi dose vials of vaccine as used by vets contain preservatives..

request vet use only this type. green vaccines

spay and nueter your pets
dont give rabies til one yr old

use the correct vaccine... no preservatives

dont give vaccines close together
dont expose puppies to disease

be thankful

Stormy · 06-25-2008, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I'm so sorry.

I don't think that a breeder needs to test all pups as long as the parents were tested, especially if the vet doesn't think it is healthy for them.

It is also not necessary for a dog to be faster for a BAT.
Instead of fasting them for 12 hours, they can just be ready for their next meal then draw blood, have them eat and draw again two hours later.

The test may not be accurate until 6 months anyway.
I probably used to think that testing pups was a good idea but I really don't think it's necessary now because it should be redone at 6 months anyway and if it could hurt them, it just isn't worth it.

I cannot imagine why anyone would have a young puppy tested against their Vet's advice. Puppy was much to young. This heartbreak could easily have been avoided. If in fact the sire and dam were tested and free of LS why subject a tiny puppy to that stress ?
I personally I lost a beautiful 9month old puppy to anesthesia in an attempt to fix a broken leg. Anything can happen with living creatures as well as People !

bjh · 06-25-2008, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormy

I cannot imagine why anyone would have a young puppy tested against their Vet's advice. Puppy was much to young. This heartbreak could easily have been avoided. If in fact the sire and dam were tested and free of LS why subject a tiny puppy to that stress ?
I personally I lost a beautiful 9month old puppy to anesthesia in an attempt to fix a broken leg. Anything can happen with living creatures as well as People !

The reason the person did the BAT tests on her puppies is because many people had told her that was what she should do. At the time she did not know the dangers involved in drawing blood from the jugular. She thought she was doing the right things. Many vets don't do BAT testing or do not recommend it because they know very little about LS. Most vets will run a standard blood panel on a dog and if the blood comes back bad then they will just recommend a special diet for the dog or refer you to a specialist. I am so sorry that you lost your baby, that was tragic.

Ellie May · 06-26-2008, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormy

I cannot imagine why anyone would have a young puppy tested against their Vet's advice. Puppy was much to young. This heartbreak could easily have been avoided. If in fact the sire and dam were tested and free of LS why subject a tiny puppy to that stress ?
I personally I lost a beautiful 9month old puppy to anesthesia in an attempt to fix a broken leg. Anything can happen with living creatures as well as People !

Sometimes it is necessary if there are concerning symptoms.
If that is the case, it would be safer to test for that particular dog then to let it go.

I'm sorry you lost your puppy.

Anesthesia is always a risk.

scrapindee · 06-29-2008, 07:20 PM

I am so sorry for your loss. I have tested my adults. I have not felt the need to test 12 week old puppies. I do provide a guarantee against LS. I would never remove a puppy or ask to have puppy returned when the puppy belongs to a family; I would assist the family with the vet bills. I am sorry Rose that you lost your boy.

Miss Magoo · 06-29-2008, 10:12 PM

I am so sorry for your loss. That is just horrible and it sounded awful so I am sure it was much worse to actually witness.

My thoughts and prayers are going out to you and your furbabies.

KYBLUE · 06-30-2008, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormy

I cannot imagine why anyone would have a young puppy tested against their Vet's advice. Puppy was much to young. This heartbreak could easily have been avoided. If in fact the sire and dam were tested and free of LS why subject a tiny puppy to that stress ?
I personally I lost a beautiful 9month old puppy to anesthesia in an attempt to fix a broken leg. Anything can happen with living creatures as well as People !

my parent's were tested and fine!

many are screaming i won't buy a puppy unless tested
and yes my warranty covers this to the fullest
but all can rest asure i won't be testing pup's again unless show's sign's
of sickness
and i do have many outside buyer's i just wanted to try and give them and myself a piece of mind

mccindy · 07-02-2008, 08:16 PM

i to am have test done on my runt she wont gain weigh weight she is 3.5 month old an she is 1lb4oz they want to go in and see what is wrong but i wont let SORRY FOR YOUR LOSE we only try to do what is right for them
cindy

runt:

cesar49 · 07-02-2008, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccindy

i to am have test done on my runt she wont gain weigh weight she is 3.5 month old an she is 1lb4oz they want to go in and see what is wrong but i wont let SORRY FOR YOUR LOSE we only try to do what is right for them
cindy

runt:

there is a yorkie cookbook with recipes for gaining weight
no testing is best..that is a tiny love runt

DejaVu · 11-19-2008, 01:07 PM

I was planning on testing all my puppies until I read through some posts and saw this! I am so sorry you lost your little guy to this, the vet should have known better imo. Just because they can take that amount from a gsd puppy doesnt mean a yorkie puppy will be just as well. Thats a lot for such a little guy! Once again I am very sorry to hear about this, its not your fault, it may have prevented others from having to go through it because of your story. Beacuse of this I wont be doing it, I just wanted to do the right thing as well since you do hear everyone say to never buy from someone that doesnt do this testing. I now have a different perspective!

RIP

amandawash · 11-19-2008, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DejaVu

I was planning on testing all my puppies until I read through some posts and saw this! I am so sorry you lost your little guy to this, the vet should have known better imo. Just because they can take that amount from a gsd puppy doesnt mean a yorkie puppy will be just as well. Thats a lot for such a little guy! Once again I am very sorry to hear about this, its not your fault, it may have prevented others from having to go through it because of your story. Beacuse of this I wont be doing it, I just wanted to do the right thing as well since you do hear everyone say to never buy from someone that doesnt do this testing. I now have a different perspective!

RIP

The parents of your litter should have been tested prior to breeding. If you read the whole thread, you would see that the vet did not want to do the test, so it's not fair to blame her. The OP thought she was doing the right thing, so it is not anyone's fault.

Doodlebop · 11-19-2008, 08:13 PM

Dr. Tobias at the University of Tennesse has been doing a study on Liver Shunt. Some people feel that if the parents test fine then they are not high risk. This is not true, Yorkies are at high risk for liver shunt. They should be tested if any symptoms exist as stated below in a few of these threads. Two Healthy Breeding Yorkies may only throw one liver shunt puppy in a lifetime, Two Yorkies that are being bred in this study may also produce the same amount of liver shunt puppies or puppy in a lifetime of breeding. You can get two yorkies that click perfectly to consistently produce liver shunt puppies, and use that same male or female to different partners, and never get it again. I think that Rose has done a great thing by having all of her breeders tested, and this is a step in the right direction, and I'm sure all of her puppies bile acid's came back great, but proved not to be worth the risk. So many tests are run because of pressure from the public. We find out that the public is uninformed. Just like the Vaccines, Why don't we get revaccinnated every year? Because it isn't neccessary!! There is not a great big book out there with all of the answers, and thanks to this thread a lot of people will think differently about trying to please the public, and to try to do all of the so called Right Things. Breeders develop an instinct, and this is what makes them good breeders. As long as they have a conscious, any breeder will cover a liver shunt puppy, there is no denying it is genetic, even if the parents and grandparents had been tested. No One can say, it developed with age. I am very sorry for your loss, but most breeders do go to the school of hard knocks, and Teaser, only here for a short while, has taught many a lesson. Thanks for your Post.

Doodlebop · 11-19-2008, 08:16 PM

I didn't repost intentionally

DejaVu · 11-19-2008, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amandawash

The parents of your litter should have been tested prior to breeding. If you read the whole thread, you would see that the vet did not want to do the test, so it's not fair to blame her. The OP thought she was doing the right thing, so it is not anyone's fault.

I think the vet should know how much blood can safely be drawn from a 12 week old yorkie pup

If you read MY post, I am not blaming the OP in any way.

Doodlebop · 11-19-2008, 08:40 PM

Vet's do know how much blood to draw on a 12 week old puppy, but 3cc's pre and post is protocol, and Liver shunt Tests are always done on weak, sick, and unusually small puppies, this is normally why it is being done. If a puppy gets hospitalized, for coccidia or giardia, they are normally actually admitted when they are severly lethargic because they are hypoglycemic, What is the first test they run? Liver shunt and Parvo. I don't think Rose or the Vet is to blame in this situation.

06-25-2008, 12:01 PM	#121
cesar49 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: eagles nest ohio Posts: 1,325 Blog Entries: 1	what i learned on yt i say dont bile acid test no blood draws from jugular no over vaccinating. use single dose vials of vaccines multi dose vials of vaccine as used by vets contain preservatives.. request vet use only this type. green vaccines spay and nueter your pets dont give rabies til one yr old use the correct vaccine... no preservatives dont give vaccines close together dont expose puppies to disease be thankful __________________ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs.

06-29-2008, 07:20 PM	#125
scrapindee Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redlands Posts: 4,842 Blog Entries: 2	I am so sorry for your loss. I have tested my adults. I have not felt the need to test 12 week old puppies. I do provide a guarantee against LS. I would never remove a puppy or ask to have puppy returned when the puppy belongs to a family; I would assist the family with the vet bills. I am sorry Rose that you lost your boy. __________________ Scrapindee--Team Furry & the Biewers www.houseofwags.com

11-19-2008, 08:16 PM	#133
Doodlebop Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 42	I didn't repost intentionally Last edited by Doodlebop; 11-19-2008 at 08:18 PM. Reason: I didn't post intentionally

06-29-2008, 10:12 PM	#126
Miss Magoo Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 175	I am so sorry for your loss. That is just horrible and it sounded awful so I am sure it was much worse to actually witness. My thoughts and prayers are going out to you and your furbabies.

07-02-2008, 08:16 PM	#128
mccindy Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: salem oregon usa Posts: 10	i to am have test done on my runt she wont gain weigh weight she is 3.5 month old an she is 1lb4oz they want to go in and see what is wrong but i wont let SORRY FOR YOUR LOSE we only try to do what is right for them cindy runt:

11-19-2008, 01:07 PM	#130
DejaVu YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 366	I was planning on testing all my puppies until I read through some posts and saw this! I am so sorry you lost your little guy to this, the vet should have known better imo. Just because they can take that amount from a gsd puppy doesnt mean a yorkie puppy will be just as well. Thats a lot for such a little guy! Once again I am very sorry to hear about this, its not your fault, it may have prevented others from having to go through it because of your story. Beacuse of this I wont be doing it, I just wanted to do the right thing as well since you do hear everyone say to never buy from someone that doesnt do this testing. I now have a different perspective! RIP

11-19-2008, 08:13 PM	#132
Doodlebop Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 42	Dr. Tobias at the University of Tennesse has been doing a study on Liver Shunt. Some people feel that if the parents test fine then they are not high risk. This is not true, Yorkies are at high risk for liver shunt. They should be tested if any symptoms exist as stated below in a few of these threads. Two Healthy Breeding Yorkies may only throw one liver shunt puppy in a lifetime, Two Yorkies that are being bred in this study may also produce the same amount of liver shunt puppies or puppy in a lifetime of breeding. You can get two yorkies that click perfectly to consistently produce liver shunt puppies, and use that same male or female to different partners, and never get it again. I think that Rose has done a great thing by having all of her breeders tested, and this is a step in the right direction, and I'm sure all of her puppies bile acid's came back great, but proved not to be worth the risk. So many tests are run because of pressure from the public. We find out that the public is uninformed. Just like the Vaccines, Why don't we get revaccinnated every year? Because it isn't neccessary!! There is not a great big book out there with all of the answers, and thanks to this thread a lot of people will think differently about trying to please the public, and to try to do all of the so called Right Things. Breeders develop an instinct, and this is what makes them good breeders. As long as they have a conscious, any breeder will cover a liver shunt puppy, there is no denying it is genetic, even if the parents and grandparents had been tested. No One can say, it developed with age. I am very sorry for your loss, but most breeders do go to the school of hard knocks, and Teaser, only here for a short while, has taught many a lesson. Thanks for your Post.

11-19-2008, 08:40 PM	#135
Doodlebop Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 42	Vet's do know how much blood to draw on a 12 week old puppy, but 3cc's pre and post is protocol, and Liver shunt Tests are always done on weak, sick, and unusually small puppies, this is normally why it is being done. If a puppy gets hospitalized, for coccidia or giardia, they are normally actually admitted when they are severly lethargic because they are hypoglycemic, What is the first test they run? Liver shunt and Parvo. I don't think Rose or the Vet is to blame in this situation.