Ebola or Hysteria Paranoia?

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

There is NO CURE for this disease!!! IF they are wrong, which they may very well be, about symptoms and incubation periods, etc, why should the rest of the country be terrified about getting this disease? This is CRAZY! If these people want to go over there and do this noble work, fine, part of the job is to spend 21 days in quarantine before they can mingle and socialize with the rest of the city. If we are all wrong and we have nothing to fear, and we can not catch the disease unless we are hands on with critically ill patients (which I doubt, because that camera man that has it now, was not in direct contact handling sick patients or their human excrement), then fine, we are safe and there is no massive outbreak of ebola....it is just inconvient for the hero that chose to do this. BUT, if THEY are wrong, the results are catastrophic, and then what do we do, run around wailing, "But you said it would not happen!!!"

We must err on the side of caution. We can not risk the health of the entire country/State/city, just to do an honor dance around these "heros", that are so irresponsible, they could care less what the rest of us are experiencing with all this ebola mess. If they want to expose themselves fine.....but the line is drawn there, at the very least until there is a CURE for the disease.

You want a REAL hero??? We have a Marine, a decorated Marine, that is sitting in a Mexican jail for 6 months, and no one even mentions his name!

How about she works for the CDC and thinks that all of this fear mongering is ridiculous and has been exposing herself to help people in impoverished third world countries. These quarantines that were imposed upon her really do boarder on civil rights violations.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I went back and tried to find the specific source, and decided to just list sources that have all reported the same time line, including the Daily Mail from UK...I will include the quote that is short and sweet from the Daily Mail last.... I have listed only a few of the sources that have reported the sequence of events...
Daily KOS, CNN, HotAir.com, Fox News, New York Times, Houston Chronicle, MSNBC, (this is just a short list because I have dogs to groom and cant sit here all day listing all the sources that have reported this story, including all the major news stations on TV...) and last but not least, the short quote, that is taken from a longer article from the Daily Mail:

"Reports swirled in New Jersey and Washington on Sunday night and Monday morning, suggesting that Christie had backpedaled on his policy, following a similar 180-degree shift from New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo."

Yes, I understand and have seem the story reported but was trying to find who exactly you were quoting and it only came back to Rush Limbaugh who is pretty much someone who makes my stomach turn. I was hoping that you could point me in another direction since I do not and never will understand his fear mongering, racial hatred filled way of thinking. What a pathetic excuse of a human being.

[jp4m2]

This disease seems so have so much unknown and conflicting info surrounding it. It seems a having a fever (or lack of) is not really an absolute in determining if a person is infected. About 13% of infected people will not present with a fever. And yet this is one of the most used tests for declaring a person clear or infected.

The finding that 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — but 12.9% did not — illustrates the challenges confronting health authorities as they struggle to contain the epidemic.


This is the article:

Ebola research: Fever not a surefire sign of infection - LA Times

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

This disease seems so have so much unknown and conflicting info surrounding it. It seems a having a fever (or lack of) is not really an absolute in determining if a person is infected. About 13% of infected people will not present with a fever. And yet this is one of the most used tests for declaring a person clear or infected.

The finding that 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — but 12.9% did not — illustrates the challenges confronting health authorities as they struggle to contain the epidemic.


This is the article:

Ebola research: Fever not a surefire sign of infection - LA Times

Just like any other health issue, there are so many variables and uncertainties. Scientifically, we cannot say that any health issue behaves so specifically as if we were doing math. To question the certainty of transmission and progression of ebola is not naivete, fear, or hysterics. It is the core of science.

Not all experts are in agreement about all aspects of ebola.

Here is an interesting article: 21 Days - The Atlantic

[Yorkiemom1]

This defiant, arrogant, woman threw a fit when she was in NJ, and for whatever reason, Cuomo and Christy caved and let her have her hissy-fit way. They put her trouble causing butt on a plane and passed her off to her home state to deal with.....like wise, the powers that be in Maine, mandated that she WILL be required to complete her 21 days of quarantine......and since her first fit was so productive, she essentially, did the same thing in Maine, and then went for her bike ride today,essentially throwing her middle finger to the State of Maine and the people in her area. This woman has no concern for anyone but herself.

So now, every "hero", except for our military men and women, will throw a fit, lawyer up, and remind the rest of the citizens in this country that THE HEROS know it all, and they have no intention of following any silly rules or mandates any Health Dpartment conjures up to protect the citizens of that city/state. The people in that town she is from are terrified, whether valid or not, their fear is reality to them. She could have easily just "decompressed" herself, lounging around the house, reading, watching tv, for a lousy 21 days...but that wouldnt have given her that 15 minutes of fame she so craves now.

Such unprofessional behavior....especially when these are the "heros" that we expect to go the extra mile to care for the ill, ease the fears of the populace.....not to mention the lies told when they were trusted to self monitor and then turned up infected.....not such a hero for any of the people the doctor exposed to the possibility of getting the disease. Clearly, their major concern is cpnfronting ebola in Africa. THAT is where they should be quarantined for the 21 days before they are allowed to return to the states, in light of the fact that we in this country are of no concern to these people.

[EarthAngel]

I was going to post about the Maine nurse and was kind of hesitant. I understand the conditions of being in a tent, etc. was not a good idea. She then gets to go home and to self quarantine, yet that isn't enough for her. The whole thing is puzzling of what her real intentions are. Many others I am sure have had to be self quarantined and not caused the ruckus she has.

[lynzy420]

I think it is a conspiracy, but is it from the "right...right....left....right??"

[MauiGirl]

I think Kaci Hickox's 15 minutes of fame defiant attitude is likely to cause her more harm than good. Her instance that she is not risking others, that they can touch her, hug her, etc. (saw that on Today Show), and that she will go out of her home as she pleases..... Well her publicity has made her highly recognizable, and with all the fear of Ebola out there, I think she is at risk of someone hurting her.

Until science provides absolute proof of how and when Ebola is transmitted, I support the position of being over cautious, and I do not look at those who refuse caution as heroes.

[Cha Cha]

Originally Posted by EarthAngel

I was going to post about the Maine nurse and was kind of hesitant. I understand the conditions of being in a tent, etc. was not a good idea. She then gets to go home and to self quarantine, yet that isn't enough for her. The whole thing is puzzling of what her real intentions are. Many others I am sure have had to be self quarantined and not caused the ruckus she has.

I question her intentions too. I get that she's been to Africa and worked with this disease first hand, is a professional and has her experience and knowledge behind her, but to us here, it is all very new, very frightening. We'll all settle down with time as we learn (and see) more about this terrible disease. Seriously, I hope she doesn't get bit by the karma bug. That would be awful.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by MauiGirl

I think Kaci Hickox's 15 minutes of fame defiant attitude is likely to cause her more harm than good. Her instance that she is not risking others, that they can touch her, hug her, etc. (saw that on Today Show), and that she will go out of her home as she pleases..... Well her publicity has made her highly recognizable, and with all the fear of Ebola out there, I think she is at risk of someone hurting her.

Until science provides absolute proof of how and when Ebola is transmitted, I support the position of being over cautious, and I do not look at those who refuse caution as heroes.

Hickox's introduction to the public scene, that article she wrote while being quarantined in NJ -- she complained about a "grueling" 2 days of travel back from Africa. She lost me in the first few sentences of her article.

I have never heard of a hero who complains as much as she does about everything. If I had just come from a very poor country after helping care for sick and dying patients, I am pretty sure that I would not complain about the rigors of travel.

Her diplomatic and public relations skills are terrible. Sandy, like you, I worry that she is endangering herself with unlikeability and courting the media circus.

I also wonder if she has read the CDC's own website about federal and state government legal authorities and police power for quarantine and isolation. I linked the pages above.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Hickox's introduction to the public scene, that article she wrote while being quarantined in NJ -- she complained about a "grueling" 2 days of travel back from Africa. She lost me in the first few sentences of her article.

I have never heard of a hero who complains as much as she does about everything. If I had just come from a very poor country after helping care for sick and dying patients, I am pretty sure that I would not complain about the rigors of travel.

Her diplomatic and public relations skills are terrible. Sandy, like you, I worry that she is endangering herself with unlikeability and courting the media circus.

I also wonder if she has read the CDC's own website about federal and state government legal authorities and police power for quarantine and isolation. I linked the pages above.

I think she's setting such a horrible example. Others are going to follow her "heroic" efforts. I'd be much more impressed, if she even though she didn't think it was necessary, quarantined herself. It just seems like we have so much to learn about this disease, why take the risk? Is that bike ride really worth it?

[megansmomma]

Health Officials Take Tuberculosis Patient To Court Over Alleged Failed Self-Quarantine
The Huffington Post | By Ryan Grenoble

Posted: 04/10/2014 5:34 pm EDT Updated: 04/10/2014 5:59 pm EDT

A health official in central Illinois has taken the unusual step of seeking a court order against a patient with tuberculosis, citing concerns the man, who has been warned against going out in public, has allegedly failed to seclude himself throughout the course of his treatment.

If successful, reports the News Gazette, the patient, Christian Mbemba Ibanda, could be ordered to wear an electronic monitoring bracelet. The bracelet would alert authorities if he attempts to leave his home in Champaign, Ill.

Tuberculosis is spread through the air, and while most forms are curable, it can be fatal if left untreated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Symptoms include chest pains and coughing fits which may result in coughing up blood or sputum.

During the hearing on Friday, all visitors to the courthouse will be required to wear masks, reports note.

"We had been telling this gentleman, 'Listen. We're not messing around,'" Champaign-Urbana Public Health District administrator Julie Pryde told the Associated Press. "This is a serious illness. You cannot be exposing other people."

Pryde said she hopes a court order will keep Ibanda in quarantine until multiple sputum samples test negative. Per the Guardian, the home quarantine could last up to six weeks.

In 2012, authorities in California were forced to jail Armando Rodriguez, a TB patient, after he reportedly refused to take medication to keep the illness from becoming contagious. Rodriguez told a nurse he'd been drinking alcohol and using methamphetamine and was afraid the anti-tuberculosis drugs would hurt his liver, reports noted at the time.

Health Officials Take Tuberculosis Patient To Court Over Alleged Failed Self-Quarantine

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Health Officials Take Tuberculosis Patient To Court Over Alleged Failed Self-Quarantine
The Huffington Post | By Ryan Grenoble

Posted: 04/10/2014 5:34 pm EDT Updated: 04/10/2014 5:59 pm EDT

A health official in central Illinois has taken the unusual step of seeking a court order against a patient with tuberculosis, citing concerns the man, who has been warned against going out in public, has allegedly failed to seclude himself throughout the course of his treatment.

If successful, reports the News Gazette, the patient, Christian Mbemba Ibanda, could be ordered to wear an electronic monitoring bracelet. The bracelet would alert authorities if he attempts to leave his home in Champaign, Ill.

Tuberculosis is spread through the air, and while most forms are curable, it can be fatal if left untreated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Symptoms include chest pains and coughing fits which may result in coughing up blood or sputum.

During the hearing on Friday, all visitors to the courthouse will be required to wear masks, reports note.

"We had been telling this gentleman, 'Listen. We're not messing around,'" Champaign-Urbana Public Health District administrator Julie Pryde told the Associated Press. "This is a serious illness. You cannot be exposing other people."

Pryde said she hopes a court order will keep Ibanda in quarantine until multiple sputum samples test negative. Per the Guardian, the home quarantine could last up to six weeks.

In 2012, authorities in California were forced to jail Armando Rodriguez, a TB patient, after he reportedly refused to take medication to keep the illness from becoming contagious. Rodriguez told a nurse he'd been drinking alcohol and using methamphetamine and was afraid the anti-tuberculosis drugs would hurt his liver, reports noted at the time.

Health Officials Take Tuberculosis Patient To Court Over Alleged Failed Self-Quarantine

Eeek! I wonder why these people are not in the hospital. When I clerked in a general hospital ward, we had a few TB patients.

I re-read the story of Typhoid Mary this week. I had forgotten how many years she was held in isolation. During the release from her first isolation, she went against orders and returned to work as a cook, infecting more people.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Eeek! I wonder why these people are not in the hospital. When I clerked in a general hospital ward, we had a few TB patients.

I re-read the story of Typhoid Mary this week. I had forgotten how many years she was held in isolation. During the release from her first isolation, she went against orders and returned to work as a cook, infecting more people.

I'm sure you are aware the Champaign, IL is the home of the University of Illinois so there is a huge college population there. This guy was spotted out at the local Walmart shopping. Another time he had a woman and 5 yr old child in his apartment visiting. As we know, TB is airborne and highly contagious.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I'm sure you are aware the Champaign, IL is the home of the University of Illinois so there is a huge college population there. This guy was spotted out at the local Walmart shopping. Another time he had a woman and 5 yr old child in his apartment visiting. As we know, TB is airborne and highly contagious.

Sounds like the authorities need to lock him up again. What good is the ankle bracelet if he has people visiting his apartment?

Where is this guy originally from?