Ebola or Hysteria Paranoia?

[Yorkiemom1]

The nurses that took care of the nurses that got sick from Duncan, are being monitored....so that is good...it isnt like they are kicked to the curb with a pat on the back....they are not in isolation or quarantine, but they have to take temps twice a day and turn it into a health care officer from the CDC.

That nurse with all that book learning perhaps has a little common sense to go along with it and can understand why the steps are being taken. Regardless, she has said she would not be deterred by this quarantine process and even though she would have to do it again, she would definately go.

Here is another thought: If you actually get down to it, since there is no known cure for the disease, and the only thing all those health care workers are doing over there is supportive care, all these "brains" and "master degreed specialist" could do alot more for the cause of finding a cure, if they stayed in the States and contributed to the research end of the disease....put all that fantastic brain power to paper and formulate hypothesis's and theories and suggestions in the pursuit of a cure for the disease. Their highly trained specialized skills could be much better appropriated and used here, coming up with a cure, rather than just writing orders for IVs and antivomiting meds and supportive care in the midst of all the ebola chaos and confusion. A "regular" doctor can do what doctors do...stand at the bedside and read the chart, ask questions, and write orders by what they are looking at and seeing....the nurses are the ones cleaning up and holding and caring for those patients.

[BabyGirl Rosie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am sorry but first of all, I do not believe enough is known about this disease to throw a blanket statement about who is contageous and who isnt, and when they "flip that switch" and suddenly they are now contageous.

I do not believe an entire city should have to be subjected to isolation and self monitoring, praying they do not spike a fever, just to accomodate ONE person coming back into the country. If people could be trusted to self isolate and self monitor themselves, and be truthful about their monitoring results....(I read that nurse that flew off to do wedding plans, was taking Tylenol to get her temp down so she COULD fly, and that she was feeling sick before she ever left Dallas, was feeling under the weather while in Ohio, took her Tylenol so she could get back to Dallas, then turned herself in!!) but they cant be trusted. All of these people "broke the rules" and exposed many, many people. I do not think they should be able to determine MY future....they should not be given the opportunity to even POSSIBLY make me or my family or my business suffer the consequences if there is even a remote chance they ARE contageous.

She is not sick....wonderful! Hope she stays that way. She says taking her temp like they did (the same way they are doing all temps at the airport and calling it "screening") is inaccurate...."skin temps are higher than core temps" ???? Dont know about that....if that was true, why do we add a degree to armpit temps we take with a thermometer? Seems to me her temp may actually have been higher than what they originally came up with....then it dropped for whatever reason.....we have always gone with the theory core temps are more accurate than skin temps, so we are back to the quandry about her skin temp being higher than core temp....that weird ebola virus maybe??? who really knows ???....

Err on the side of safety. I would MUCH rather hear, "Well she never got sick after 21 days, so she is free to go home", than, "OMG! she is in the ER, vomiting and spewing bloody diarrhea, and her temp is 103. She took care of ebola patients in Africa and has been State side for 6 days....lets start trying to find out the hundreds and hundreds of people, plus every business she has been in, everyplace she has strolled, etc, so these people can be watching out for themselves to see if THEY start getting sick, and all those business can close and decontaminate....". No, quarantine the single person until the incubation parameters are met. Which, oh by the way, are now beginning to perhaps change and move around...."maybe it is actually 28 days, or maybe 35 days, or it could possibly be 46 days....."????!!!

"Dr. Anthony Fauci or Amber Vinson, Nina Pham's nurses - yet none of them are in an isolation tent.[" Perhaps this should be the next step?

And by this point it is TOO LATE! I have to agree with you here Judy!

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Liberia is a country of 4 million with 50 doctors when all this started, I heard an epidemiologist on CNN say, with no isolation facilities, few hospitals, clinics or even basic medical protective gear or cleaning supplies, proper waste disposal. Of course they are going to lose half or more of their healthcare workers to disease. But our American workers over there use strict protective measures and have for years when working with deadly epidemics. They are all monitored by their organizations once they return here and it's been working. Not one of of them has passed a case of Ebola to an American or died of Ebola.

But how in the world Gov. Cuomo, Christie and Quinn suddenly decided that American Ebola healthcare workers returning home to NY, NJ and Illinois to be more likely to infect Americans than Ebola workers here in America working at Emory, NIH or Bellevue, I can't fathom. Nothing about that WHO article even addresses that issue. If these returning American workers were so extra-infectious to require his sudden quarantine, why haven't many, many Americans gotten Ebola from them during this past 6 months, when all the NGO's were at maximum work level, coming and going on airline flights at will, while still monitoring the workers on their return?

Thankfully, Gov. Cuomo has now realized he went too far and has eased his quarantine to allow returning heroic Ebola workers flying into New York to be quarantined at home now. Will is he requiring Bellevue doctors and workers to home quarantine while they care for Dr. Spencer or continue to allow hem to eat at restaurants, go bowling and subways? If not, why not? That's what I don't understand.

Look at the history of ebola cases from 1976 to the present. Very small numbers. Previous high of 400+ cases. Now over 10,000.

The number of healthcare workers, foreigners volunteering to treat in Africa, must be far greater than ever. The probability of problems is much, much higher.

Who is monitoring them so closely to make sure strict protocols are being observed? Are these monitors there day in and day out observing the foreign medical workers? Do they really have all of the equipment and supplies they need? Why are we sending our military over there to build more accommodations to handle the sick?

Why is there a doctor in NYC positive for ebola?

[Yorkiemom1]

Oh GREAT!! Now it is as I suspected...all hat and no cattle....Gov Cuomo has caved from pressure from "higher up" and so he is sending the nurse "home"....and that is where??? TEXAS, of course!!! Wonder where in Texas she is coming? Wonder how she will get down here? Fly on a chartered jet? Wonder if she is footing the bill for THAT. She is not sick....let her purchase a ticket and fly commercial. I am sure all the other passengers are not concerned. I will be on the phone tomorrow to Gov.Perry....I want to know how he plans to make sure this nurse does what she is supposed to do and stay at home, being monitored....she can be working up her law suit while she remains at home, hopefully burning up her phone line and not having company visiting!........we know how well that "self isolation" thingie has worked with the others! By the luck of the Irish, no one else has gotten sick from one of these people....but it is only a matter of time. Christie, hoping YOU dont get weak in the knees and back up on this....

[SirTeddykins]

Here is a doctors take on the situation which includes measures that are being taken etc.


I thought it was interesting so thought I'd share:


Questions and Answers About Ebola

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins

Here is a doctors take on the situation which includes measures that are being taken etc.


I thought it was interesting so thought I'd share:


Questions and Answers About Ebola

Too bad this doctor's very informative video can't be played on loop to all the nuts that are feeding into the Ebola frenzy.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Look at the history of ebola cases from 1976 to the present. Very small numbers. Previous high of 400+ cases. Now over 10,000.

The number of healthcare workers, foreigners volunteering to treat in Africa, must be far greater than ever. The probability of problems is much, much higher.

Who is monitoring them so closely to make sure strict protocols are being observed? Are these monitors there day in and day out observing the foreign medical workers? Do they really have all of the equipment and supplies they need? Why are we sending our military over there to build more accommodations to handle the sick?

Why is there a doctor in NYC positive for ebola?

My earlier posts and online news stories, governmental agencies and NGO sites all say that the NGO's who sponsor Ebola volunteer workers are monitoring them when they return home and the health departments of American cities where actual Ebola contacts take place. They report their findings to the CDC.

Dr. Spencer got Ebola because he either accidentally broke protocol, the gear/disinfectant process failed or he accidentally got a very sick Ebola patient's bodily fluids into his body while very near one another while both were out seeking to meet some need. As I understand it, Ebola patients are usually on their own in West Africa, as many shun them and they must fend for themselves until they pass out or grow too weak.

Until Dr. Spencer got sick AND was producing a high viral load, he was simply not contagious or infectious to any New Yorker. How would his sitting home when he was unable to communicate the disease to anyone else help keep the community be any safer? Until the public fear is less virulent itself, it would probably be wiser if he'd stayed off the subway and away from bowling but honestly, as we keep seeing, only high viral loads infect others.

Unless you are going to hospital/home quarantine all Ebola workers, including those working in America, mandatory quarantining just those returning from West Africa is based only on fear as monitoring is already in place.

And previously, you'd compared healthcare workers' weeks-long volunteering efforts to years-long military commitments. Not the same. Remember, healthcare workers with healthcare degrees, board certifications, fellowships, etc., are largely fiercely independent people who have busy, full-time medical careers and large practices, cannot commit years to Ebola, are not military-minded and can't usually sign up to volunteer for more than a few weeks. They are healers and not war-fighters and as such, expect their country to support their heroic efforts rather than penalize them with unnecessary quarantines that really aren't making the public any safer because they sit in quarantine incapable of spreading Ebola unless and until they are very sick and shedding high viral loads all over the place.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Too bad this doctor's very informative video can't be played on loop to all the nuts that are feeding into the Ebola frenzy.

Dr. Fauci always quotes good science and makes good, common sense. He just finished treating a virulent Ebola patient - why aren't he or current Bellevue doctors treating Dr. Spencer in mandatory quarantine if healthcare workers are so dangerous to the public at large?

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Oh GREAT!! Now it is as I suspected...all hat and no cattle....Gov Cuomo has caved from pressure from "higher up" and so he is sending the nurse "home"....and that is where??? TEXAS, of course!!! Wonder where in Texas she is coming? Wonder how she will get down here? Fly on a chartered jet? Wonder if she is footing the bill for THAT. She is not sick....let her purchase a ticket and fly commercial. I am sure all the other passengers are not concerned. I will be on the phone tomorrow to Gov.Perry....I want to know how he plans to make sure this nurse does what she is supposed to do and stay at home, being monitored....she can be working up her law suit while she remains at home, hopefully burning up her phone line and not having company visiting!........we know how well that "self isolation" thingie has worked with the others! By the luck of the Irish, no one else has gotten sick from one of these people....but it is only a matter of time. Christie, hoping YOU dont get weak in the knees and back up on this....

Judy she is going back home to Maine, NOT TEXAS. She went to school in Texas. So not sure where your getting this info that she is coming to Texas.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins

Here is a doctors take on the situation which includes measures that are being taken etc.


I thought it was interesting so thought I'd share:


Questions and Answers About Ebola

This is Dr.Fauci's take on it. There are other doctors that have worked with ebola more closely, for more years, that do not agree with everything he has to offer. There are research doctors as well as docs who have worked with these outbreaks and the disease for many, many years, that have said from the beginning travel bans should be instituted on the "hot spots" in West Africa. It seems to come down to which side of the fence you fall on.....public safety or one individual's right to expose the public/businesses to even the possibility of ebola, based on constantly changing information from the CDC on the disease and how to handle all this. All the changing numbers and facts, all the changes and adjustments being made to accomodate what is actually happening with the disease here in this country, does not convey a sense of confidence in citizens in anything the CDC and Dr.Fauci have to say.

That nurse will be released back to her hometown....she is not coming to Texas!....Although she is from Texas, she lives in Maine, and will be returning there. It is an issue for them to deal with. We will see what kind of system they have set up there to handle these specific cases and if they will make decisions that they support for more than 24 hours. This entire thing reminds me of the dance, the "Hokey-Pokey"...."First you put your right foot in, then you take your right foot out, put your right foot back in, and shake it all about....".

[Yorkiemom1]

Thank God that little boy came back negative for ebola.....

[Cherie6446]

The nurse was in New Jersey not New York. Christie, not Cuomo, let her go home to Maine. See how people don't get their facts straight befor spouting off.

[megansmomma]

I saw this on FB this morning. It's a British comedian pretty much making fun of the US vs Britain's news coverage. There's a couple of "bad" words in his monologue so be warned.

The difference between US vs UK Ebola news...

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Cherie6446

The nurse was in New Jersey not New York. Christie, not Cuomo, let her go home to Maine. See how people don't get their facts straight befor spouting off.

It's all pretty much craziness the way things get twisted by the media. Just look at the video I shared above this for an pretty good example.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Cherie6446

The nurse was in New Jersey not New York. Christie, not Cuomo, let her go home to Maine. See how people don't get their facts straight befor spouting off.

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According to news releases, Gov.Cuomo caved first, and then Christie decided to let her leave, also under extreme push back from The White House......

"The White House ripped into the governors of New Jersey and New York, and reportedly excoriated the governors in private telephone calls for instituting a policy which “doesn’t comport with science.Christie stood firm and noted on Sunday that federal officials would soon have to adopt his state’s quarantine policy, but Cuomo soon caved and clarified that asymptomatic individuals believed to have been exposed to Ebola will be allowed to isolate themselves in their own homes.After testing negative for Ebola, Christie’s administration consented to allowing the quarantined nurse to transfer to a facility in her home state of Maine.
The embarrassing turnaround came after Obama chaired a White House meeting on the rules and successfully lobbied Christie’s New York counterpart, Gov. Andrew Cuomo, to relax their quarantine rules – even as Americans grow more concerned about the possibility of a pandemic emergency."