Ebola or Hysteria Paranoia?

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

It depends I guess how you look at it. If people used common hygiene they would not be sneezing it your face.

Wrong again! Sneezes travel much farther than you think!
100s of more examples, here's just one: Video reveals sneezes can travel far further than we thought | Daily Mail Online

All I'm saying really is, find out the truth as best you can and protect yourself accordingly because the CDC, our government, is not.

We were doing ok until Duncan lied while exiting Liberia. It was only a matter of time really, but he was the one that put the rest of us at a greater risk.

[Yorkiemom1]

I am absolutely flabbergasted with all those nurses, lab techs that ALSO came in direct contact with blood samples from the infected ebola patient, now it seems all these people are now "celebrating" their time off work while they are being "monitored", by clinbing on any mode of travel they can find (planes, busses, cruise ships, etyc!!!!!!!) and scurring off to enjoy their time off!!! OMG!!! What was that irresponsible "medical professional" that decided to go on a cruise, thinking!!!!!!! And it now seems that nurse that jetted off to Ohio to plan her wedding, was feeling sick BEFORE she ever left Texas!!!!! OMG!!!! Now, they are trying to get that lab "manager" off that cruise ship.....I am stunned.......they are trying to find all the people that nurse came in contact with at that bridal salon....the patient "cant remember what time frame she was at the bridal salon" because "she was feeling too sick, she cant remember"......GREAT, LADY!!! THANK YOU!!! Of course, with DR NANCY SCHNEIDERMAN believing all those containment and isolation rules do not apply to HER, she can load up and go get food because "SHE is a medical doctor and SHE knows she isn't sick".....WTF??????????!!!!!!! This is all just unbelievable to me....if someone that knows they are AIDS/HIV positive, and they set about to infect as many people as they possibly can by ignoring their high risk behavior, they can be charged with premeditated something or another....my point is, that behavior is against the law!!! So all these people that are supposed to be self isolating themselves and monitoring themselves for contamination/infection, are out vacationing and planning weddings and going on cruises, and mixing and interacting with unsuspecting, innocent people, they too should face some kind of consequences for their irresponsible, unacceptable, costly behavior. Thank goodness our governor has stepped up and said this type of behavior will not be acceptable and when people are on monitoring for the 21 days that they may be infectious, they can NOT vacation and travel all around the country, possibly contaminating everyone else. If they DO decide that this would be such a special time for them to get out and play with everyone, they will be placed into guarded quarantine to make sure they do not travel and vacation and socialize extensively. He has also listed extensive changes that will be made in this State with regard to how and where and when people that have the disease or are suspected of having the disease, or are on the 21 day monitoring for the disease, is handled. Thank God he is working from a position of crisis avoidance rather than crisis management, which is the typical federal government solution...."let them all come, and then after they get here, if they get sick, we will deal with it....". OMG!!!!!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Cherie6446

There is no problem at the college. I live in San diego and the student didn't even know if her sister was on THE flight with the nurse. People panicked.
I heard the the second nurse called the CDC twice about flying and she was told it was ok since her temp was not 100.4. This is the CDC's fault. I think the CDC doesn't know what the heck they are doing. I feel sorry for the ERs and the staff everywhere as they really don't know what to do to protect themselves and other patients.

Wrong!!!!!
We are taught in nursing school to think for yourself. If you KNOW something is wrong....a doctors dosing instructions, a doctors assessment, ANYTHING that as a licensed, educated, trained professional YOU know is wrong, you do NOT follow those instructions. She is a nurse...she KNEW what her circumstances were, she KNEW better....as usual, people want to pass the buck...."not MY fault, they said I could go"....WRONG! She should not only loose her job, she should have her license suspended for a period of time! She is TRAINED to make independent medical decisions as they relate to what she knows and has been trained in. She was an ICU nurse! She has NO excuse for what she did! As nurses we all KNOW, if you do something, following a doctors orders, and the patient dies or is injured and it goes to court, YOU as a nurse are not protected by, "well, the doctor told me to do it, I was just follwoing orders"....she is a trained, educated, THINKING nurse....she has NO excuse for what she did! They said this am she was feeling sick before she ever left Texas to go do this wedding trip thing....and she cant remember the time frame she was at the bridal salon because "she felt so sick she cant remember".....OMG!!!!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Wrong again! Sneezes travel much farther than you think!
100s of more examples, here's just one: Video reveals sneezes can travel far further than we thought | Daily Mail Online

All I'm saying really is, find out the truth as best you can and protect yourself accordingly because the CDC, our government, is not.

We were doing ok until Duncan lied while exiting Liberia. It was only a matter of time really, but he was the one that put the rest of us at a greater risk.

Not if people use a tissue a cover there mouth and nose when doing it so it could be managed with out a mask if people used proper hygiene. So again ur wrong at least partially.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Not if people use a tissue a cover there mouth and nose when doing it so it could be managed with out a mask if people used proper hygiene. So again ur wrong at least partially.

I am sorry....I was the infection control nurse for the last 5 years at the hospital I worked at....I doubt very seriously there is ANYTHING you can tell me about infections, how they are spread, or infection control management! I may "be wrong again" though...what exactly did you say YOUR qualifications are? Do you actually think for one minute that you can prevent the spread of ebola from an infected person, by simply covering your sneeze with a tissue????????? "Managed without a mask"???????????? Surely to goodness, you do not think a "germ" is THAT easily contained!!!!!!!!!!! That is the problem with the public....they do not know how easily contaminated droplets are spread and picked up. Ask Nina, the nurse that is positive for ebola, about germs and how they cover everything and spread so easily...she was covered head to toe, with a small section of her NECK exposed....and she was trained to deal with contamination and isolation and she got it!!!! And that doctor that got infected....they said he was the most cautious and careful and meticulously clean practice around this disease, and HE got it!!! You think covering your mouth with a tissue is the solution???? Please, dont kid yourself....if a tissue could prevent the spread of this disease, my God, you have solved the crisis surrounding the initial spread of ebola, single handedly!

[chachi]

Using a tissue doesnt stop some of the fluids from a sneeze from maybe getting on your hand and then you touching something infected it with ebola since ebola can be present on innate objects too. Is the tissue going to be put in a contamination waste recepticle. Plus Im not totally certain this may not already be airborne they are saying it could mutate and become so. It doesnt make sense to me these nurses were in total protective gear and still got it

[Yorkiemom1]

And explane how in the world Duncan's relatives lived in that filthy, contaminated apartment, with bloody vomit and diarrhea all through that apartment, on bedding, in the carpet, etc....and NONE of them have gotten it!!! But the nurses taking care of him, with PPE covering them head to toe, with all the chemicals they wash their hands with as they leave the ante room where they remove all the PPE, THEY come down with it!!! There is so much we do not know about this.....this is scary......

[gemy]

Judi do you know if that Ebola can be killed what-ever through good hand sanitation practices? I suppose I could try to look that up but...


I do know here they have developed new treatment what-ever protocols, but as I have been out of the traditional health care field for about 10yrs I don't get the latest communiques.


I think the thing is to not panic, but to be especially carefull if you can. And for sure I am not flying anywhere soon.


I carry hand sanitizer with me, just out of habit, and I never touch washroom handles etc with my bare hands. I wash before and after classes, and before and after restaurant eating etc. I also don't touch my face with my hands unless of course I am washing my face. lol


We are going down to Md in November so I am more than a little interested..... It is said to be a large show with folks from all over. Any advice for me? My dogs are going with me. Now my usual practice is to wipe out their crates with vinegar and water spray at days end, and before they re-enter their crates in the morning. I also have those dis-infecting wipes that I use on their paws. No food is left out at the show grounds period. Their water is never left un-attended and we never use indoor potty areas. My showgal will probably have a full bath at least once, and nightly I do the head and beard. For other reasons we lock our crate doors, if we both have to be away from their crates.


How-ever I do usually let folks pet her (after the show), and I am sure the judges are going to be making extensive use of their hand sanitizers, but nevertheless I will ask my handler to show the bite (if the judge will allow it). I am concerned with transfer of virus to dogs? Or am I just going overboard here?


It is going to be a very busy weekend, as Dara is entered into CGC, and various other events, and health clinics, as well as the regular and National shows.


Anyhow mayhap I worry too much.........

[Cherie6446]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

And explane how in the world Duncan's relatives lived in that filthy, contaminated apartment, with bloody vomit and diarrhea all through that apartment, on bedding, in the carpet, etc....and NONE of them have gotten it!!! But the nurses taking care of him, with PPE covering them head to toe, with all the chemicals they wash their hands with as they leave the ante room where they remove all the PPE, THEY come down with it!!! There is so much we do not know about this.....this is scary......

I have been thinking the same thing. How is it possible that they have not gotten sick yet? When is the three weeks up? The 21st?

[BabyGirl Rosie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am absolutely flabbergasted with all those nurses, lab techs that ALSO came in direct contact with blood samples from the infected ebola patient, now it seems all these people are now "celebrating" their time off work while they are being "monitored", by clinbing on any mode of travel they can find (planes, busses, cruise ships, etyc!!!!!!!) and scurring off to enjoy their time off!!! OMG!!! What was that irresponsible "medical professional" that decided to go on a cruise, thinking!!!!!!! And it now seems that nurse that jetted off to Ohio to plan her wedding, was feeling sick BEFORE she ever left Texas!!!!! OMG!!!! Now, they are trying to get that lab "manager" off that cruise ship.....I am stunned.......they are trying to find all the people that nurse came in contact with at that bridal salon....the patient "cant remember what time frame she was at the bridal salon" because "she was feeling too sick, she cant remember"......GREAT, LADY!!! THANK YOU!!! Of course, with DR NANCY SCHNEIDERMAN believing all those containment and isolation rules do not apply to HER, she can load up and go get food because "SHE is a medical doctor and SHE knows she isn't sick".....WTF??????????!!!!!!! This is all just unbelievable to me....if someone that knows they are AIDS/HIV positive, and they set about to infect as many people as they possibly can by ignoring their high risk behavior, they can be charged with premeditated something or another....my point is, that behavior is against the law!!! So all these people that are supposed to be self isolating themselves and monitoring themselves for contamination/infection, are out vacationing and planning weddings and going on cruises, and mixing and interacting with unsuspecting, innocent people, they too should face some kind of consequences for their irresponsible, unacceptable, costly behavior. Thank goodness our governor has stepped up and said this type of behavior will not be acceptable and when people are on monitoring for the 21 days that they may be infectious, they can NOT vacation and travel all around the country, possibly contaminating everyone else. If they DO decide that this would be such a special time for them to get out and play with everyone, they will be placed into guarded quarantine to make sure they do not travel and vacation and socialize extensively. He has also listed extensive changes that will be made in this State with regard to how and where and when people that have the disease or are suspected of having the disease, or are on the 21 day monitoring for the disease, is handled. Thank God he is working from a position of crisis avoidance rather than crisis management, which is the typical federal government solution...."let them all come, and then after they get here, if they get sick, we will deal with it....". OMG!!!!!

Agree!

[MauiGirl]

Originally Posted by Cherie6446

I have been thinking the same thing. How is it possible that they have not gotten sick yet? When is the three weeks up? The 21st?

Duncan's family & friends are due to be released from quarantine Oct 19th.

Some are questioning if 21 days is enough, based on limited research, only very old studies, and CDC lying and guessing along the way. It is discussed here: https://www.yahoo.com/health/should-...180989317.html

[chachi]

Did you hear the woman that was at the pentagon lied when she said she traveled to africa. I think people that pull these stunts should be charged with something thats the only thing thats going to stop people from doing it.

[yorkiemom76]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am absolutely flabbergasted with all those nurses, lab techs that ALSO came in direct contact with blood samples from the infected ebola patient, now it seems all these people are now "celebrating" their time off work while they are being "monitored", by clinbing on any mode of travel they can find (planes, busses, cruise ships, etyc!!!!!!!) and scurring off to enjoy their time off!!! OMG!!! What was that irresponsible "medical professional" that decided to go on a cruise, thinking!!!!!!! And it now seems that nurse that jetted off to Ohio to plan her wedding, was feeling sick BEFORE she ever left Texas!!!!! OMG!!!! Now, they are trying to get that lab "manager" off that cruise ship.....I am stunned.......they are trying to find all the people that nurse came in contact with at that bridal salon....the patient "cant remember what time frame she was at the bridal salon" because "she was feeling too sick, she cant remember"......GREAT, LADY!!! THANK YOU!!! Of course, with DR NANCY SCHNEIDERMAN believing all those containment and isolation rules do not apply to HER, she can load up and go get food because "SHE is a medical doctor and SHE knows she isn't sick".....WTF??????????!!!!!!! This is all just unbelievable to me....if someone that knows they are AIDS/HIV positive, and they set about to infect as many people as they possibly can by ignoring their high risk behavior, they can be charged with premeditated something or another....my point is, that behavior is against the law!!! So all these people that are supposed to be self isolating themselves and monitoring themselves for contamination/infection, are out vacationing and planning weddings and going on cruises, and mixing and interacting with unsuspecting, innocent people, they too should face some kind of consequences for their irresponsible, unacceptable, costly behavior. Thank goodness our governor has stepped up and said this type of behavior will not be acceptable and when people are on monitoring for the 21 days that they may be infectious, they can NOT vacation and travel all around the country, possibly contaminating everyone else. If they DO decide that this would be such a special time for them to get out and play with everyone, they will be placed into guarded quarantine to make sure they do not travel and vacation and socialize extensively. He has also listed extensive changes that will be made in this State with regard to how and where and when people that have the disease or are suspected of having the disease, or are on the 21 day monitoring for the disease, is handled. Thank God he is working from a position of crisis avoidance rather than crisis management, which is the typical federal government solution...."let them all come, and then after they get here, if they get sick, we will deal with it....". OMG!!!!!

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by MauiGirl

Duncan's family & friends are due to be released from quarantine Oct 19th.

Some are questioning if 21 days is enough, based on limited research, only very old studies, and CDC lying and guessing along the way. It is discussed here: https://www.yahoo.com/health/should-...180989317.html

I read something about this a few days ago......The WHO says the quarantine should be 42 days not the 21 the CDC is recommending. One in twenty will show no symptoms at the 21 day mark but they are still carrying the virus so in the next three weeks they will then show symptoms and infecting potential victims.

[Yorkiemom1]

I am not believing hardly anything anyone says to me. I have posted a little information below, from "International SOS" , as well as information garnered from WHO, CDC (HA!), etc. I have contacted DuPont regarding the effectiveness of Virkon on ebola virus....will post that when I hear from them. I know ( ??...as best as anyone can know that does not manufacture a specific chemical themselves!!!) that chlorine kills the virus....I use a chlorine spray in my kennel on a weekly basis, spraying everything down, crates, walls floors, etc to protect against all the diseases we know can affect dogs....parvo distemper, etc, along with daily cleanings with Virkon. I am not sure the concentration of the chlorine spray I use, is the same as what they are spraying everyone down with before they remove PPE when they come out of the wards caring for the dying ebola patients. When I hear from both of these companies that make these sprays, I will post what I am told.
After reading the article pasted below, I think I will purchase some form of a hand sanitizer to use in public....
Someone had asked about cotton gloves as protection....NO, wont work! Cotton will simply absorb the infecting material.... There are some Latex gloves that do not keep certain bacteria/viruses from permeating the gloves....you have to be sure the latex gloves you are using are approved for specific protection in isolation carts and contact situations.

"According to "International SOS".....
Is the virus killed by commercial hand sanitisers?
The US CDC advises that waterless alcohol-based hand rub can be used if soap is not available*. The World Health Organization also advises travellers to use hand sanitizer (but to wash if hands are visibly dirty). Ebola is killed by a range of disinfectant agents including sodium hypochlorite, lipid solvents, phenolic disinfectants, peracetic acid, methyl alcohol, ether, sodium deoxycholate, 2% glutaraldehyde, 0.25% Triton X-100, β-propiolactone, 3% acetic acid (pH 2.5), formaldehyde and paraformaldehyde, and detergents such as sodium dodecyl sulphate (SDS).
Companies may wish to compare the ingredients of commercial cleaning preparations available to them against this list of known effective agents.

*CDC Interim Guidance about Ebola Virus Infection
A Research Fellow at the Noguchi Memorial Institute for Medical Research, Dr Kofi Bonney, has cautioned the public to be wary of the types of hand sanitizers they buy from the market as part of precautionary measures to prevent an outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus.

According to him, hand sanitizers come in two forms; one meant to kill only bacteria and another meant to kill all forms of germs including bacteria, viruses, fungi and protozoa.

Following the outbreak of the Ebola virus in West Africa, there has been a marked upsurge in the use of hand sanitizers for disinfecting the hands for fear of people coming into contact with the virus.

However, at a sensitization forum on Ebola organised by the Graphic Communications Group Limited, Dr Bonney noted that there was a need for the public to carefully read the labels of the sanitizers before buying them.

“Take your time to read what the sanitizers can do. Read the instructions and what they contain because the sanitizer meant for bacteria can only kill bacteria,” he advised.

Checks at the Food and Drugs Authority (FDA) have shown that only 11 hand sanitizers on the market are recognised by the authority.

The brands of hand sanitizers that had valid registration with the FDA as of beginning of August 2014 were Sanigel, Clean Touch, Dial Hand, Samocid, Forever Hand, Steri-7, Carex, Fruiser, Purell, Bremed and High Baby. "