****Jodi Arias - Oh My Goodness!!!****

[My guy Charles]

After Casey Anthony, I don't trust our system to work! :-{
I am so worried she s going to get off - write a book - have a movie about her life, etc.... She's not only suffering from a borderline personality disorder she is a malignant narcissist!
I have been watching HLN After Dark and there are always 1-3 of their mock jury that find her not guilty - which is stunning to me!!???
I know in the end, she will pay one way or another, when she meets her Maker - but in the interim I would like to see a little justice! I want her to be on death row - in solitary confinement - where she will be stuck in a cell alone with herself! Now that would be hell on earth!
I read that Nurmi has tried to get off this case multiple times and couldn't - so that helps explain why he looks like a bump on a log every day - he's miserable and knows she's guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt!!
Another disturbing thing I heard on the news is that Jodi has a 'following' of supporters and unlike Casey Anthony, she will not be as hated should she get out - that's just sick! And hard to believe...?
Ok - I'm gonna go find something lighthearted to watch on tv now!!! I am getting toooo worked up over Jodi!! Haha

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by My guy Charles

After Casey Anthony, I don't trust our system to work! :-{
I am so worried she s going to get off - write a book - have a movie about her life, etc.... She's not only suffering from a borderline personality disorder she is a malignant narcissist!
I have been watching HLN After Dark and there are always 1-3 of their mock jury that find her not guilty - which is stunning to me!!???
I know in the end, she will pay one way or another, when she meets her Maker - but in the interim I would like to see a little justice! I want her to be on death row - in solitary confinement - where she will be stuck in a cell alone with herself! Now that would be hell on earth!
I read that Nurmi has tried to get off this case multiple times and couldn't - so that helps explain why he looks like a bump on a log every day - he's miserable and knows she's guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt!!
Another disturbing thing I heard on the news is that Jodi has a 'following' of supporters and unlike Casey Anthony, she will not be as hated should she get out - that's just sick! And hard to believe...?
Ok - I'm gonna go find something lighthearted to watch on tv now!!! I am getting toooo worked up over Jodi!! Haha

At least that makes me think Nurmi isn't a total loser, if he's tried to dump her as a client.

That HLN After Dark not-guilty vote rankles, too. And I wonder if they pay them or just strongly suggest that it would be good for ratings if there is a worry by the audience that some people out there don't find Arias to be guilty of the various issues they vote on each night to keep feelings stirred and watchers goaded into watching. It's a pretty inane show and I don't watch it much except at the start to get caught up with the trial and then have to tune it out. I can't believe they pay people to produce something that bad and that tabloid - but that's the way the HLN shows at night mostly are! So how some of that "jury" on there votes is kind of meaningless as who knows what the producer tells or strongly suggests some of the members do with their "vote". Still, it is so against Arias for the most part, I do like to watch enough of it to get my Arias' frustrations soothed for the day. haha. Pretty sad that I'm being manipulated by that show and know it and still want to watch to get my fix. If Arias gets off with a light sentence and profits from all of this somehow, I'll definitely be PO'd but good.

[Nancy1999]

One of the Casey Anthony jurors said that the reason, they found her not guilty of everything, is that the prosecutor never gave them a clear picture of what actually happened, never mind that this isn’t necessary legally, she just wasn’t satisfied she could convict someone without a clear picture in her mind. The reporter tried to argue with her, but she was steadfast in her belief in “reasonable doubt” and this foggy view of exactly what happened led to not guilty verdict. This is one of the things that bother me in this trial. Do you all feel like you have a clear idea on how she did it? Here’s a timeline of photos, at one point when Detective Flores was interviewing her and showed her the photos, she said Travis would never allow anyone to take a photo of him like that. Do you think she used the gun to get him in a vulnerable position? Sometimes, I think she brought the gun and it jammed, this is also what she said in the Ninja story that the gun jammed. They say liars weave truth with fiction. Anyway, I really wish I could have a clear picture of the sequence of events. I do believe something happened that Jodi didn't plan for; maybe the stab wounds that she thought would kill him didn't incapacitate him as much as she thought they would, and he really did fight back with her more than she thought he would. Any opinions on this?

[yorkietalkjilly]

No, I don't have a clear timeline of exactly what happened but I don't expect to unless there is clear, unambiguous video or several eye witnesses who actually knew the murderer and saw the murder. Of course, I'm not a juror and only watch coverage sporadically but I feel that all of the evidence points to one person being the murderer and the fact that that murder was planned for in many ways. But in any murder trial, usually just the unlikely coincidence of that many things all happening around the time in question that also happen to point in the direction of a single person with a motive and in the area are all we ever get in the way of "evidence" or timelines, so I'm pretty satisfied with them this time and in the Casey Anthony case as well. If a jury decides it needs more than that in any case, so be it. There hardly ever is more. Watch Dateline, 48 Hours or any of the shows about murder, circumstantial evidence is mostly all there is - and more often than not - a whole lot thinner than in Anthony or Arias. But in our system of justice and with all of our freedoms here and people able to move across borders, buy or secure anything anytime easily, friends and family on the go and everybody doing their own thing, there just rarely is a single cut and dried gotcha event or fact that absolutely buttonholes a murderer who kills in the night in a private home with the only witness dead. And murderers count on that.

From the moment I saw that last photo of Travis Alexander looking straight into the camera while in that shower, I saw fear in his eyes and expression. He looks far from sexy - he looks scared and full of dread. I think she had the gun pointed at him for those shower photos. I think at that time, she wanted to memorialize what she was about to do and glory in the body of the man she was planning to ravage.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

No, I don't have a clear timeline of exactly what happened but I don't expect to unless there is clear, unambiguous video or several eye witnesses who actually knew the murderer and saw the murder. Of course, I'm not a juror and only watch coverage sporadically but I feel that all of the evidence points to one person being the murderer and the fact that that murder was planned for in many ways. But in any murder trial, usually just the unlikely coincidence of that many things all happening around the time in question that also happen to point in the direction of a single person with a motive and in the area are all we ever get in the way of "evidence" or timelines, so I'm pretty satisfied with them this time and in the Casey Anthony case as well. If a jury decides it needs more than that in any case, so be it. There hardly ever is more. Watch Dateline, 48 Hours or any of the shows about murder, circumstantial evidence is mostly all there is - and more often than not - a whole lot thinner than in Anthony or Arias. But in our system of justice and with all of our freedoms here and people able to move across borders, buy or secure anything anytime easily, friends and family on the go and everybody doing their own thing, there just rarely is a single cut and dried gotcha event or fact that absolutely buttonholes a murderer who kills in the night in a private home with the only witness dead. And murderers count on that.

From the moment I saw that last photo of Travis Alexander looking straight into the camera while in that shower, I saw fear in his eyes and expression. He looks far from sexy - he looks scared and full of dread. I think she had the gun pointed at him for those shower photos. I think at that time, she wanted to memorialize what she was about to do and glory in the body of the man she was planning to ravage.

I think this is true too, there's just something about his eyes.

Tell me, which do you think came first, the gun or the knife?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think this is true too, there's just something about his eyes.

Tell me, which do you think came first, the gun or the knife?

I always thought she shot him first and kind of addled him, he went to the sink to look in the mirror probably to see how bad his wound was and she started in stabbing him. After that ME testified again last week, I am going with his testimony, I think. I hadn't followed the trial until I started this thread and I didn't know that he'd thought the brain shot was so disabling. Now I'm thinking the head shot was a final kill shot to make certain he was dead before she started her clean-up. For all we know, Arias gave Alexander some amount of GHB in a drink to make him manageable, drew her gun, made him pose for pictures and once he became semi-conscious, started stabbing him, shot him to make certain. Then she took the glass with her or washed it thoroughly and any evidence of the drug in his bloodstream disappeared with time. IDK, though, if GHB in a blood stain or pool of blood remains in some form, disappears but leaves markers or not. Clearly if it does, she didn't use GHB because I'm pretty sure they ran the pooled blood and blood stains for toxins, chemicals and drugs.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I always thought she shot him first and kind of addled him, he went to the sink to look in the mirror probably to see how bad his wound was and she started in stabbing him. After that ME testified again last week, I am going with his testimony, I think. I hadn't followed the trial until I started this thread and I didn't know that he'd thought the brain shot was so disabling. Now I'm thinking the head shot was a final kill shot to make certain he was dead before she started her clean-up. For all we know, Arias gave Alexander some amount of GHB in a drink to make him manageable, drew her gun, made him pose for pictures and once he became semi-conscious, started stabbing him, shot him to make certain. Then she took the glass with her or washed it thoroughly and any evidence of the drug in his bloodstream disappeared with time. IDK, though, if GHB in a blood stain or pool of blood remains in some form, disappears but leaves markers or not. Clearly if it does, she didn't use GHB because I'm pretty sure they ran the pooled blood and blood stains for toxins, chemicals and drugs.

This is prettty much how I've thought of it, until you came to the GHB, I didn't think of that, there aren't a lot of seconds between the shots of him standing and the shot of him dead, so I'm not sure a drug was used. Too bad they couldn't find traces, that would have shown clear evidence of premeditated.

[yorkietalkjilly]

True, but all she needed was those first instances when he was hit with it - it can act like a sledgehammer - and boom, the person is wicked impaired and time to strike and all the while the drug is working hard to render them essentially helpless. I was hoping she used it so he was really dazed and out of it as the worst of the attack was happening and he was dying.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

True, but all she needed was those first instances when he was hit with it - it can act like a sledgehammer - and boom, the person is wicked impaired and time to strike and all the while the drug is working hard to render them essentially helpless. I was hoping she used it so he was really dazed and out of it as the worst of the attack was happening and he was dying.

I think if that were true though, there wouldn't have been much of a fight, something made Jodi panic and she did have some cuts on her hands and a wonky finger. I think she was panicking when she threw the camera in the washer, I think she meant to take the camera with her.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think if that were true though, there wouldn't have been much of a fight, something made Jodi panic and she did have some cuts on her hands and a wonky finger. I think she was panicking when she threw the camera in the washer, I think she meant to take the camera with her.

Well, being a guy maybe she didn't use enough to sledge him - just start the process and he fought her a few seconds while he could, even lying on his back or stomach he could have his hands up and out flailing. And the killing probably did panic her. I don't think she realized she had dumped the camera in the washer in that panic; and like you, I think she planned to take it with her and secretly print her out some photos one day when the coast was clear and burn the camera at some point. I wouldn't put anything past her and can't you envision that weirdo sitting and smiling over those series of photos, knowing what was about to happen and how scared he was? She could enjoy those forever and get to relive her "triumph" over Travis Alexander.

[ladyjane]

Casey Anthony denied doing it. This B**** admits she did it. I don't think they need a clear picture of how she did it. There are so many things that lead one to believe it was premeditated...I think she is going down for the count.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think if that were true though, there wouldn't have been much of a fight, something made Jodi panic and she did have some cuts on her hands and a wonky finger. I think she was panicking when she threw the camera in the washer, I think she meant to take the camera with her.

Yup, I think she meant to take the camera too (although on the flip side, then why did she feel the need to stand there right then and delete all those certain pictures?...still tho, I think she meant to take it). What I think happened w/ the camera is that as she was gathering up the stuff for the washer, the camera got mixed up with all the clothing/towels/sheets etc and she didn't even realize it - and it ended up in the washer by mistake. I wonder how less powerful the case would have been without the camera - I mean those images make it REAL for people - too real! She still would've been charged and all bc of the bloody hand print, but I do wonder...

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Yup, I think she meant to take the camera too (although on the flip side, then why did she feel the need to stand there right then and delete all those certain pictures?...still tho, I think she meant to take it). What I think happened w/ the camera is that as she was gathering up the stuff for the washer, the camera got mixed up with all the clothing/towels/sheets etc and she didn't even realize it - and it ended up in the washer by mistake. I wonder how less powerful the case would have been without the camera - I mean those images make it REAL for people - too real! She still would've been charged and all bc of the bloody hand print, but I do wonder...

Yeah, I've never been sure which pictures she deleted, did she delete any after Travis was dead? I doubt if she would have confessed if they didn't have the pictures, remember she had a great excuse for the bloody hand print. She had been cleaning months earlier and cut her hand on a glass.

On a side note, I read that OJ, Jodi, and Amanda Knox (the girl accused of murder in Italy) all share a July 9, birthday. Weird or what?

[Nancy1999]

Found this on another site and just had to share it. I’ve always wondered more about the emails between the Hughes and Jodi, saying that Travis was abusive. I guess Chris Hughes was on Dr. Drew last night. Here’s what a poster said about the interview.

Did anyone see Chris Hughes on Dr Drew last night? He said that the famous emails between JA and Chris & Sky Hughes, and the “Travis was abusive to women” comment that ALV kept referring to, was taken completely out of context. He said that he even retracted that comment later in the same email, saying that Travis wasn’t abusive, but maybe “a little rough around the edges”. He was rightly pissed about how the defense was able to take that one little sentence or two, out of several lengthy emails, and use it to their advantage, painting Travis as abusive.

Chris said that a year before the murder, Jodi and Travis were staying overnight at the Hughes home. Chris and Sky wanted to speak with Travis in private, so they went into the master bedroom. They were trying to tell him to get away from Jodi, that she was bad news. Then he said Sky (who has a sixth sense about these things according the Chris) whispered to them, “Jodi’s listening to us. She’s out there”, meaning at the door. So they changed the topic for about 30 seconds, and then there was a knock on the door and it was guess who! Jodi wanted to know if everything was alright, and Travis said yes, and told her to go back to bed and he would be down in a little while to say goodnight.

So they continued talking, and after awhile, Sky Hughes AGAIN whispered that Jodi was listening to them outside the door, so this time Travis got up and flung the door open and caught her. Chris said that the look on Jodi’s face was so frightening, so full of rage and evil, that he’s never seen anything like it before or since. So they told Travis “look, you go and handle that” and they all went to bed, but Chris said he and his wife were actually afraid that they had this woman in their home. They wondered if they should be worried about their children! He said the next morning Sky kicked Jodi out of their home, telling her she was not welcome any more, and not to come back.

So of course, with Jodi being Jodi, she shows up at their house one day, crying the blues about how she loves Travis, and that she had “a VISION that they were supposed to be married”. They were telling her to just get out of the relationship. Travis had moved on, and if she wasn’t getting what she wanted out of the relationship, then she should do the same. So THAT’S why in the emails that went back and forth between Chris, Sky and Jodi, they were telling her to get out of the relationship.

I’m wondering why JM didn’t clarify this information when Chris Hughes was called as a defense witness. Did I miss something? I’ve been watching the trial since the beginning, but I didn’t hear any rebuttal when ALV was on the stand, regarding these points. I don’t know how many times I heard the defense use that phrase that “Chris Hughes said Travis had been abusive to women in the past” and that “they warned her to get out of the relationship.” Hell yes they warned her!! They were trying to scrape her off of Travis, because she just would NOT go away.

Sky Hughes will be on Dr Drew tonight. It should be interesting. A Look Inside An Arizona Jury Room During a Death Penalty Deliberation | Tamara Tattles

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yeah, I've never been sure which pictures she deleted, did she delete any after Travis was dead? I doubt if she would have confessed if they didn't have the pictures, remember she had a great excuse for the bloody hand print. She had been cleaning months earlier and cut her hand on a glass.

On a side note, I read that OJ, Jodi, and Amanda Knox (the girl accused of murder in Italy) all share a July 9, birthday. Weird or what?

No kidding? Oh, my! I don't really know anything about the Amanda Knox case but her standing there kissing her new boyfriend and looking so arrogant and uninvolved while the police did crime scene investigation and removal of the body of her roommate sure did turn me off. You'd expect any human to be incredibly sad, very scared that they could be next(!) and spending that time bugging police for details and trying to get to your roommate's parents or at least talking to them. She may be innocent and pure as the driven snow when it comes to involvement in that murder but boy did she behave oddly. I just judged her probably guilty right away and didn't even bother to follow along .