****Jodi Arias - Oh My Goodness!!!****

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Juan Martinez does have a way of even making a highly seemingly credible expert witness like LaViolette vulnerable on the stand and he is making it very clear she fell hook, line 'n sinker for Arias' story. He's slowly making is fairly apparent that LaViolette thinks of Arias as if she were one of her private patients and not someone on trial for life that she needed to assess as to her credibility, psychological state now and at the time of the crime and testify as to her conclusions. I cannot see from the testimony of hers that I've heard that she ever even considered that Travis could have been a victim of a "Fatal Attraction" type situation - with a far worse ending than the movie. She doesn't seem to have any ability to ever look at the relationship between the two as anything but Alexander in the role of male-abuser - period. I thought JM would use a different method of handling Alyce LaViolette than the last expert but he's just bulldogging right ahead relentlessly exposing this lady's seeming bias. I'll have to admit I'm grudginly admiring that! He treats her like the for-hire witness she's turning out to be. But if she just once or twice would ever see any of the issues from Alexander's point of view, she might seem more open-minded and fair to me but she never ever seems to give any credence to anything Travis Alexander typed, said or reportedly said that doesn't pigeon-hole him only one way - the aggressor and the abuser. I would think a so-called psychologist would be more center-of-the-road and consider that her current client might be presenting her with a very one-sided view of any relationship, particularly if that client's life could be at risk unless they can successfully impress a single juror that the client was the "real" victim in this situation; and that largely achievable through that same psychologist's court testimony. But she always sees every issue discussed from only Arias' POV and I think to be more credible she would need to tailor her assessments with slightly less defense prejudice. That extreme prejudice is very hard to accept and still see her as a totally professional and clinical expert, able to equitably assess any situation from all sides. She's coming off as just what she really is - a bought-and-paid-for defense witness whose job it is to further sell Arias' story to that one juror that could be leaning Arias' way. I wonder if she ever admits to herself at home at night that she could have been expertly lied to, hoodwinked and circle-talked, too?

When I see an expert witness for the defense on the stand, I fall hard for those that are clever enough to appear clinical and cold and rigidly impartial. Those that can come off that way, though they may be a soul-less sold-out shill and putting 3 kids through Harvard on their defense-testimony dollars, really do impress me the most - even when I can see right through them.

I wonder this too. Sometimes I think she took the case because she believes that domestic violence is such an important subject, and she can teach the country all about it, even if she loses the case.

[ladyjane]

I think she took it for money. She does not impress me at all. Someone said that she has only testified in 6 trials...and she thought she could do this one? I believe she bit off more than she could chew...she is not an expert witness and is in over her head.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I think she took it for money. She does not impress me at all. Someone said that she has only testified in 6 trials...and she thought she could do this one? I believe she bit off more than she could chew...she is not an expert witness and is in over her head.

She says that she's testified at around 8, but under 10 murder trials, but lots of civil case trials, I can't remember the number but it was large. She really is considered an expert witness in the area of domestic violence. I don't understand why the expert witness is so limited as to what they can look at, this doesn't seem right. I don’t think she’s doing a good job because she showing too much of her frustration. She should just answer the questions yes or no and allow the defense to clear up any misunderstandings on cross. I’m anxious to hear the jury’s questions.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I think she took it for money. She does not impress me at all. Someone said that she has only testified in 6 trials...and she thought she could do this one? I believe she bit off more than she could chew...she is not an expert witness and is in over her head.

Thank goodness it's not just me! Those talking heads on television seem to think she hung the moon and to me she is so wildly one-sided and narrow-minded that she's almost laughable as an expert witness. I think that's why Juan is letting her have it. Even the gullible shill should be able to disguise their purposes and motives a little better than this!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

She says that she's testified at around 8, but under 10 murder trials, but lots of civil case trials, I can't remember the number but it was large. She really is considered an expert witness in the area of domestic violence. I don't understand why the expert witness is so limited as to what they can look at, this doesn't seem right. I don’t think she’s doing a good job because she showing too much of her frustration. She should just answer the questions yes or no and allow the defense to clear up any misunderstandings on cross. I’m anxious to hear the jury’s questions.

There are a lot of people who are considered experts...but, I can tell you this: if this expert were my expert, I would stand up in that courtroom and ask them to remove her. She is ridiculous imo.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Thank goodness it's not just me! Those talking heads on television seem to think she hung the moon and to me she is so wildly one-sided and narrow-minded that she's almost laughable as an expert witness. I think that's why Juan is letting her have it. Even the gullible shill should be able to disguise their purposes and motives a little better than this!

She simply is not cut out for it...OR is not experienced enough. Take your pick.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Oh dear - did I just hear that Miss Jodi Arias had a manifesto??? You know I was in the kitchen the other day and thought I'd heard that word come up but the phone rang and from that point on I forgot about it. But they just mentioned it again on HLN and some talking head just said something about "What's a terrorist? A murderer with a manifesto"!!!!! Dear goodness, going to have to go google that and try to find out about that little nugget!

Casual question: How many people do you know even casually who have written a manifesto?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh dear - did I just hear that Miss Jodi Arias had a manifesto??? You know I was in the kitchen the other day and thought I'd heard that word come up but the phone rang and from that point on I forgot about it. But they just mentioned it again on HLN and some talking head just said something about "What's a terrorist? A murderer with a manifesto"!!!!! Dear goodness, going to have to go google that and try to find out about that little nugget!

Casual question: How many people do you know even casually who have written a manifesto?

And gave out autographed copies of it!?!??!?!?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

And gave out autographed copies of it!?!??!?!?

I'm just now reading about that now on Google! If that's not a dead give-away of a mind gone a little to the Twilight-Zone - that is it. I just don't know people that have manifestos lying about - let alone autographed copies! I already thought Arias was a piece of work but now that I know this about her, wow! She is twice as crazy as I thought. I wonder if we did a YT poll, how many of us have produced a manifesto?

[ladyjane]

Somehow I missed this.....Jodi was at his house, peering through the window, watching him with another woman??????
OMG.....if that is not a bunny boiler , I don't know what is.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Somehow I missed this.....Jodi was at his house, peering through the window, watching him with another woman??????
OMG.....if that is not a bunny boiler , I don't know what is.

No kidding! Boy, you know you have entered the psycho realm when you find yourself outside at night in the dark hanging outside your ex-boyfriend's house peeping in the windows at him with another woman!!! That right there should send a person running to the E.R. and asking for anti-psychotics, a handful of tranqs and all the shrinks they have on call. That should be a major indication that one's little mind has veered waaaaay center.

I hadn't heard about that until today either! Yikes. Loser all the way.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh dear - did I just hear that Miss Jodi Arias had a manifesto??? You know I was in the kitchen the other day and thought I'd heard that word come up but the phone rang and from that point on I forgot about it. But they just mentioned it again on HLN and some talking head just said something about "What's a terrorist? A murderer with a manifesto"!!!!! Dear goodness, going to have to go google that and try to find out about that little nugget!

Casual question: How many people do you know even casually who have written a manifesto?

Did you read she thought she was smarter than Einstein? That really struck with me, because I believe she did thinks she was smarter than the rest of us, sociopaths usually believe they are more brilliant than the rest of us peasants. The girls in jail says she’s just brilliant and so articulate. I have a feeling that’s the caliber of girls who have hung around with Jodi, and while she does use a lot of big words, she often uses them inappropriately.

I do think Jose is making some good points today, I really feel like he has shown Alyce to be biased on a point by point basis.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Did you read she thought she was smarter than Einstein? That really struck with me, because I believe she did thinks she was smarter than the rest of us, sociopaths usually believe they are more brilliant than the rest of us peasants. The girls in jail says she’s just brilliant and so articulate. I have a feeling that’s the caliber of girls who have hung around with Jodi, and while she does use a lot of big words, she often uses them inappropriately.

I do think Jose is making some good points today, I really feel like he has shown Alyce to be biased on a point by point basis.

No! I didn't find out what the manifesto said just that is there one. Floored me to hear that she did one! So she wrote that she's smarter than Einstein? How revelatory is that? Speaks volumes, doesn't it? I've read and heard that the sociopath is convinced of his own brilliance. And I've noticed she tries to use big words and seems to effort articulate speech any chance she gets.

Agree that LaViolette's bias is hanging out all over her. I don't think she's a man-hater but it's likely she does hear so much horror in her work, she is prejudiced to the woman's side of things. And in her job, she probably doesn't run into too many women who need to lie about their motives or make up a narrative to keep them from the final needle. But, boy, in this situation she never cuts the man a tad of slack or innocent explanations. She's got him marked as the boogyman. He can do no right in her eyes.

And I'll bet she would never agree that a guy that is feeling stalked might also live a little dangerously when the woman after him so blindly desires, loves, lusts after and pursues him. Some men will put up with an awful lot to keep being fed large doses of that kind of approbation, passion and devotion and some probably to the point of perceived danger. I remember a quote something to the effect that there is no drug so strong and no aphrodisiac so effective to a man as that of a woman who absolutely adores him. I'm thinking he probably did fear her but kept being drawn back in.

[ladyjane]

I cannot believe this "expert" is saying that a person being stalked would not converse with the stalker and/or have sex with him/her.

Even IF he was not afraid, it does NOT mean she was not stalking him. WTF .. this is making me crazy.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I cannot believe this "expert" is saying that a person being stalked would not converse with the stalker and/or have sex with him/her.

Even IF he was not afraid, it does NOT mean she was not stalking him. WTF .. this is making me crazy.

No kidding! I would imagine that the stalking type behavior when done by a woman to a man is especially not always something scary, but especially while in or even when ending a relationship. It is likely both exciting and a bit creepy, even worrisome at times. But it's obvious he wasn't afraid. Guys rarely feel vulnerable or fearful of any woman - even one holding a knife or weapon. They always think they can handle even a crazy woman. And most can. If she hadn't surprised him with a wound that stunned him immediately, I doubt she ever could have killed him. I don't think he was scared at all of her until she began that final attack and struck the first stunning blow.