Schanuzer Breeder

[lovespandp]

I came across this breeder, she has cams on a website that I go on.

sportsmanparadise.com: The Leading Sportsman Paradise Site on the Net It is a website for a different types of Cams, Eagles, birds, deer, etc.

This breeder has 3 different cams set up, so people can watch live births, and the puppies! I thought oh this is kinda cool- then I looked at her website..

http://sportsmansparadiseonline.com/...puppy_cam.html This is her cam page on the site

Maximilian's Schnauzers Parti and Chocolate Schnauzers in Florida

Couple things I do not like about her

This quote Next Live Birthing 4 - 9 May. Leah is having a surprise litter. Daddy is not determent yet till puppies are
born and we will be able to do DNA test....... You are welcome to watch our Live Birthing via Puppy
webcam
(You can find on her website)

What breeder does this??? You get one of your dogs pregnunt by a surpise Dad then you are going to run an DNA test to find out who the Father is??? What is this Maury Povich????

Also- I will ask a question to the breeder... When you "retire" a female or male dont you keep them??

This breeder doesn't. This is from her website about Leah, the dog that just had the "surprise litter"

Adopted from Barton's Creative Mini Schnauzers. Kennel had to be closed due to cancer of her 10 yr old
girl.Sending many Prayers her way.
I will retire Leah after one or two breedings. Anyone who would be interested in adopting her should contact
me to be put on the waiting list. I will retire her in 2013.

Ugh this makes me so mad!! First you "adpot" Leah, then you breed her a couple times and then want to retire her and adopt her out AGAIN!

Poor Dog!!

I wont even get into the prices she has nor the use of the word "Teacup"..
"Breeders" like this make me sick!!

I wanted to post something so people who research her can see what she is really about and it is not the dogs!

[Yorkiemom1]

I will say first and foremost, I do not know this woman, or her breeding program....I just wanted to explane some of the things she is doing....There are breeders that do not believe in putting their dogs in crates.....this is "cruel and restrictive" to them, so they let all their dogs run free at all times, all over the house and property. You will often see, "Raised in our home, under foot, with our loving family....not in a kennel!" This is USUALLY someone with few dogs...so that when a female comes in heat, she is still running with everyone, loose, both males and females, and she will be bred to any one or all of the males she is running with. When the babies are born, they will DNA all the babies and see who belongs to who....not something I agree with...have been told that way, each male will have the opportunity to have a puppy from that female, and you can see in just ONE litter, what crossing any one of those males with that female, produces....guess, in a strange way, that could make sense to some people....??! Next, she says she "adopted" Leah due to that dogs kennel closing down....she uses "adopted" rather than "bought" or even "gifted"...it isnt like she got that breeder from a rescue or the pound...she acquired the dog from a downsizing/forced to close kennel, and incorporated her into HER kennel/breeding program....she is going to breed her a couple of times and retire her....nothing unethical about this. When breeders retire their breeding dogs, they rehome them, adopt them out...whatever term they want to use...it doesnt sound as cold as "sell"....retired breeders usually go for a veery reduced price, some are even given away....you treat these retiring breeders with the utmost love and care and respect....you dont just kick them to the curb. NO, you can not keep all the retired breeding stock...put a pencil to it and see how that would very quickly end YOU up on TV as a "Hoarder"!!! You breed these dogs for maybe 4 years, then they retire...you have kept a baby that is an excellent example of the retiring dogs line and pedigree...so you can carry on that line....now, if you have 5 females, and they retire and you keep them all, after breeding for 15 years...well, you can see where THAT is going! You are completely inundated with dogs!!!! You CANT run your business like that!!! I did not go to her site...I know nothing about her pricing structure....please remember, breeding dogs responsibly costs a fortune! People can NOT look down on breeders that charge what some people consider outrageous prices for their babies, because you have no idea of all the expense involved! Responsible breeders seldom break even, let alone make "a fortune" by charging outrageous prices....do her babies go to their new homes at 12-16 weeks? Are tails doced, dew claws removed,ears done like they do Schnauzers ears, vaccines given, worming program started, heartworm med started....all that costs a lot of money....which is EXACTLY why some "breeders" dump their babies off at 6-8 weeks so they dont have all the vaccines, worming, etc started. I am NOT defending this woman...she MAY have a horrible program and be corrupt as she can possibly be....just saying dont be real quick to judge her as unfit breeder just because of the two things I picked out from your observations, to explane.....people that do not breed, have no knowledge of how some things are done, and why they are done that way....

[lovespandp]

Well thank you for your input- I respect it and always love reading your posts- I know you have a lot of experience in this and look up to you-

I know I'm not a breeder and I do not know what goes behind it, reading your post and trying to understand it, makes me think I was a little harsh or too fast to point! You are 100% correct in everything that you said!

I thought for the most part the breeder will keep the male/ female after they retire them- maybe that is only breeders who dont have as many dogs??

I will say this it looks like the puppies are loved- as well as the male and female she breeds-

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

Well thank you for your input- I respect it and always love reading your posts- I know you have a lot of experience in this and look up to you-

I know I'm not a breeder and I do not know what goes behind it, reading your post and trying to understand it, makes me think I was a little harsh or too fast to point! You are 100% correct in everything that you said!

I thought for the most part the breeder will keep the male/ female after they retire them- maybe that is only breeders who dont have as many dogs??

I will say this it looks like the puppies are loved- as well as the male and female she breeds-

Thank you for your comment....Like I wanted to stress, I am not defending this womans breeding program....I have NO idea if she is an ethical breeder or not....I just wanted to give you a prospective view from the other side on a couple of the facts you mentioned...and point out there is more cause for concern when you see breeders dumping babies out at 6-8 weeks of age....the ONLY reason you do that is to avoid all the expenses of vaccinations, etc....and also, from 6-10 weeks, these babies are REALLY vulnerable....and if things are going to come unwound with them, it usually occurs about then....so if a breeder is just pumping out puppies with only a profit margin in mind, THOSE are the ones you notice!...."get rid of those pesky little critters before you have to invest any money into them and before they get sick and DIE on you and you have nothing to peddle!!!"
Keeping the breeders you retire is a wonderful concept if you are a hobbist who is not serious about doing this for a long period of time, or you WILL get inundated with a collection of dogs....it always KILLS me to rehome my breeders.....I love this ladies and they work so hard with me.....I do the best I can possibly do to give them the very best of everything and we care for their babies together, and then she is ready to relinquish those babies to me, trusting I will continue to do the best I can for them....but when I retire THEM, it kills me....believe me, I would keep them ALL if that was even remotely possible.....you just cant....Thank you for seeing what I was trying to point out to you!

[gemy]

Yes retiring a female and re-homing her is very difficult. There are more than a few tears shed by the breeder. What I've observed so far with my breeder friends, is that often times (at least so far), they have been lucky and have been able to re-home to a home close enough to them, or to close friends.

Also many breeders do not often repeat breedings - ie same sire and dam. Particularly if there is a particular goal you have in mind from your breedings. Maybe you wanted to correct head, or bring in some size to your program.

I've not known with-in my breed to let all the dogs run free together....It is crate and rotate when necessary with this large breed. Ie: you have a female in heat. Also we do not allow free matings - too dangerous for the male. In fact more and more breeders are going to IV.

Awh well the internet has really changed a lot of things

Don't know this woman or her breeding program, but having a webcam on the internet for live births, is just not something I'd be comfy with myself.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by gemy

Yes retiring a female and re-homing her is very difficult. There are more than a few tears shed by the breeder. What I've observed so far with my breeder friends, is that often times (at least so far), they have been lucky and have been able to re-home to a home close enough to them, or to close friends.

Also many breeders do not often repeat breedings - ie same sire and dam. Particularly if there is a particular goal you have in mind from your breedings. Maybe you wanted to correct head, or bring in some size to your program.

I've not known with-in my breed to let all the dogs run free together....It is crate and rotate when necessary with this large breed. Ie: you have a female in heat. Also we do not allow free matings - too dangerous for the male. In fact more and more breeders are going to IV.

Awh well the internet has really changed a lot of things

Don't know this woman or her breeding program, but having a webcam on the internet for live births, is just not something I'd be comfy with myself.

I was stunned and amazed when I first heard of letting everyone just run loose, anyone breeding anyone...anytime anyone came into heat....I would be absolutely nuts with a system like that!! And like you say, after the tie, if she decides to chase a squirrel....poor him! I do repeat breedings when I have a breeding pair that consistantly produces what I am wanting....I have a couple now that I do that with....and I do try to re-home close to home so I can at least keep up with the girls and visit once in a while.

[lovesschnauzers]

I would like to say, I do know this woman and was offered the opportunity to work with her and the dogs. I fell instantly in love with the dogs and thought I had found my true life's calling. I was very honest with her about my past and some unfortunate things I went through as a result of some vindictive ex husbands. She expressed compassion and amazement that I had survived some terrible years of abuse and offered what I thought was the opportunity to turn my life around. When I went to work for her, she worked me for at least 18 hours a day with no rest. Not everything you see on camera shows what goes on in the rest of the house. I was so exhausted when finally while putting together 4 old bassinetts (requiring lots of parts with no instructions) at 4AM that I finally stood up and literally collapsed across the bed to try to just grab at least an hour of sleep. I was abruptly fired the next day and was told that if I were a heart surgeon performing heart surgery, I wouldn't be able to just get up and walk away. I had only made the decision to take a break that night because I was not allowed to take any breaks until that point, I was ready to literally collapse and James had offered to finish putting together the last bassinet. When a personal friend of mine's mother passed away the next day, I asked if I would be allowed to attend the funeral. She agreed to let me go the funeral, but then fired me over the phone that day saying I was lazy and not cut out for the work. I loved those dogs with all my heart and developed a bond with them very quickly. The webcam viewers loved me and even sent me fan mail until she went on the chat room and started trashing me saying I had a lengthy criminal record (absolutely untrue). My ex husband had vindictively had me arrested on false charges which I was later completely cleared of, and she used the arrests (no convictions because there were none) against me and threw me under a bus slandering me to her viewers. She abused me mentally by telling me I was codependent and terrible decision maker. I looked up to her as a mentor until I saw her true colors. She has since not been able to keep any help other than James (who she runs ragged until all hours of the late night into the morning). James cried when I left and I gave him my word I would do what I could to put a stop to her mistreatment of her "employees". I was never paid for all of the hours I put in for her. On the day I came to pick up my belongings, she claimed the night before that CNN would be there to do a story on the puppies. CNN never came and she denies that she ever said that. Believe me, she is one person on camera and a different person off camera. She and I were both smokers and she taught me how to smoke in the puppy room without the viewers knowing by lighting a candle and then lighting cigarettes off the flame of the camera (out of the site of the viewers). She never mistreated the dogs, I will give her that. But the way she treats her workers is a completely different story. Its sad, because I truly felt rewarded and fulfilled being with those precious mommas, daddies, and babies, having lost children of my own they filled a void for me. Its sad to me that she felt the need to trash me to a world of viewers and have them swallow what she said without question. She also has another room off camera with at least 20 more dogs that if they were known to be there, she would be breaking all kinds of county codes - however i'm glad she's doing what she can to help those dogs. I really do wish her the best and I really wish she could have had a little compassion rather than being so cruel knowing my situation. I sure do miss those dogs. They really are the best breed I have ever had the pleasure of working with.

[lovespandp]

First Welcome to YT!

Oh my goodness!! I’m so sorry you had to deal with that, no human should be treated like that, EVER. If she treats her employees like that how does she “really” treat the dogs?? For me it seems like much more happened behind closed doors, and your story just seals it. She really smoked in the same room as the puppies and Mama were? That is kind of crazy. You should really report her- who knows if she has new employees that she is treating the same as she did you..

Thanks you for sharing your story. Look forward to seeing you around.
Do you have any pets?

[lynzy420]

Why am I so confused here? Who is the woman? What is her name?

[cindersellie]

Whoa!!! All kinds of things are happening there that's wrong. I'd demand my pay, for 1 thing. And if she has that many dogs... from my experience it sounds like a BYB. Letting whatever male mate with a female is not good. That's just not responsible breeding, that's haphazard breeding! I feel bad that all this happened to you. If you feel that the dogs are being mistreated by her, please report her. Same with her helpers. Look at this site and see if there's reason to report her for working conditions. http://www.osha.gov/ .

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by lovesschnauzers

I would like to say, I do know this woman and was offered the opportunity to work with her and the dogs. I fell instantly in love with the dogs and thought I had found my true life's calling. I was very honest with her about my past and some unfortunate things I went through as a result of some vindictive ex husbands. She expressed compassion and amazement that I had survived some terrible years of abuse and offered what I thought was the opportunity to turn my life around. When I went to work for her, she worked me for at least 18 hours a day with no rest. Not everything you see on camera shows what goes on in the rest of the house. I was so exhausted when finally while putting together 4 old bassinetts (requiring lots of parts with no instructions) at 4AM that I finally stood up and literally collapsed across the bed to try to just grab at least an hour of sleep. I was abruptly fired the next day and was told that if I were a heart surgeon performing heart surgery, I wouldn't be able to just get up and walk away. I had only made the decision to take a break that night because I was not allowed to take any breaks until that point, I was ready to literally collapse and James had offered to finish putting together the last bassinet. When a personal friend of mine's mother passed away the next day, I asked if I would be allowed to attend the funeral. She agreed to let me go the funeral, but then fired me over the phone that day saying I was lazy and not cut out for the work. I loved those dogs with all my heart and developed a bond with them very quickly. The webcam viewers loved me and even sent me fan mail until she went on the chat room and started trashing me saying I had a lengthy criminal record (absolutely untrue). My ex husband had vindictively had me arrested on false charges which I was later completely cleared of, and she used the arrests (no convictions because there were none) against me and threw me under a bus slandering me to her viewers. She abused me mentally by telling me I was codependent and terrible decision maker. I looked up to her as a mentor until I saw her true colors. She has since not been able to keep any help other than James (who she runs ragged until all hours of the late night into the morning). James cried when I left and I gave him my word I would do what I could to put a stop to her mistreatment of her "employees". I was never paid for all of the hours I put in for her. On the day I came to pick up my belongings, she claimed the night before that CNN would be there to do a story on the puppies. CNN never came and she denies that she ever said that. Believe me, she is one person on camera and a different person off camera. She and I were both smokers and she taught me how to smoke in the puppy room without the viewers knowing by lighting a candle and then lighting cigarettes off the flame of the camera (out of the site of the viewers). She never mistreated the dogs, I will give her that. But the way she treats her workers is a completely different story. Its sad, because I truly felt rewarded and fulfilled being with those precious mommas, daddies, and babies, having lost children of my own they filled a void for me. Its sad to me that she felt the need to trash me to a world of viewers and have them swallow what she said without question. She also has another room off camera with at least 20 more dogs that if they were known to be there, she would be breaking all kinds of county codes - however i'm glad she's doing what she can to help those dogs. I really do wish her the best and I really wish she could have had a little compassion rather than being so cruel knowing my situation. I sure do miss those dogs. They really are the best breed I have ever had the pleasure of working with.

I'm sorry you went through this, have you contacted the labor department in your area? Have you filed a complaint? There are simple remedies for doing so.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by cindersellie

Whoa!!! All kinds of things are happening there that's wrong. I'd demand my pay, for 1 thing. And if she has that many dogs... from my experience it sounds like a BYB. Letting whatever male mate with a female is not good. That's just not responsible breeding, that's haphazard breeding! I feel bad that all this happened to you. If you feel that the dogs are being mistreated by her, please report her. Same with her helpers. Look at this site and see if there's reason to report her for working conditions. http://www.osha.gov/ .

[lovespandp]

If you watch the cams, the puppies do look taken care of- but it just seems she has so many.. Something is off, not sure what but something is not right.

[yorkietalkjilly]

It doesn't sound much as if her breeding females are really considered or truly loved deeply as pets considered to be family members if she can let them "retire" and go to other homes when they are done serving her interests. And if they aren't loved beyond measure and treated like little furry queens, I am sure the dogs sense that during the time they are being bred, carrying puppies, whelping and tending their puppies for her. It sounds sad for the breeding dogs that they are rather cast off when their use is over but I am glad a person like that lets them go and at least the dogs have a chance at the true pet lifestyle where they are the "end all and be all" to some person or family and get Christmas presents and have Birthdays and go on vacation with their people.

[Maximilian]

My goodness, I just found this site and all the things that were written about me. To LOVEPANT who started this thread. Leah was a dog I got from a close out breeder with the soul purpose to find her a loving home. You see I do not only breed Schnauzers but I also rescue them too. Leah came pregnant to my house and had puppies after 4 weeks of being at my home. No one knew who the father of the pups was and it did not matter to me. Puppies were all placed into loving homes and I screen everyone before I let a puppy or dog leave my home. Leah was spayed after her litter and rehomed. I am in close contact with her new forever mommy. I can not keep all dogs or I would end up being a Hoarder. It breaks my heart each time I retire one of my breeding females usually after 4 to 5 litters. I love each and every dog I own but loving them means not to be selfish and keeping them. Each time one of my breeders is being rehomed I cry and it leaves a big hole in my heart. This is however a breeder's life.

All my male dogs, 6 of them are seperate from my females and there is never an accidental breeding. My dogs have rooms wit TV and Animal Planet and they are never kept in Kennels.

Now to lynzy420 post. She isthe Lady who posted about having worked for me. She only was with me for 24 hours and no, she did not work 18 hours. I told her that I am going to run a criminal background on her and if there was anything she wanted to tell me. When I got the background check back I saw that shw had lied to me. Her wrap sheet was very long and it frightened me. I am a widow by myself and I want to feel save in my own home. What ever lynzy420 has posted is so untrue. The cameras to the puppies were on and my viewers were watching her and all said that she is lazy and will not work out. In the last 4 years I have had over 20 Million views on my pupppy cams. I pride myself of being transparent and honest. I am a RN and worked for over 20 yrs in the medical field. I also had employees , the same ones for 16 years. I do not believe that my employees would have stayed that many years if it was true what lynzy420 said about me here on this forum. She does not know me and was only 24 hours in my house. She did absolutly nothing but hang on her cell phone 90% of the time.I guess that lynzy420 is scorned because I let her go within 24 hours after I have had received her criminal wrap sheet. There are always 2 sides to every story.

I love all animals and lI ove helping people
Please look me up at Maximilian`s Schnauzers Parti and Chocolate Schnauzers in Florida