I am sorry to say.........

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

If someone doesn't take advice it doesn't give any of us the right to hurl personal attacks! And SHE DID ask the questions in the best interests of her dogs! If someone asks the question they are thinking about their dogs! There is never ever ever EVER a time where it is ever appropriate to be rude, insulting or disrespectful to another person! And it certainly doesn't make a person (like the OP of that thread) want to take any advice when they are being attacked and picked apart for things. There is always a way to say that very same info in a kind, respectful, informative and non judgemental way. The advice in that thread was not wrong but the way it was given was completely out of line and therefore those dogs who could have been helped now probably won't because the OP probably only saw attacks instead of helpful advice given with compassion and in a respectful manner. The elevator needs to go to the top floor on how to communicate effectively with one another and there are a handful of people who just don't get it. Very sad.

One must realize that this is an open forum. Granted her physical challanges should have never been attacked. What in my opinion was being challaged was this person's lack of knowledge in all things dogs.

As I said, in the first couple of pages of the post, advice was given in a a respectful, informative manner. I for one will never condone breeding without knowledge and breeding to supplement ones income. Have I attacked people, yes, although rarely, but, when I see that they are wasting peoples time by asking questions, get upset when they don't get the advice they want to hear and continue to do what they are going to do. Then come back on and ask for help again......

As stated already: Breeding a female that showed signs of abuse at a year of age and then breeding her again. Breeding females with aggression problems; had drawn blood, killed puppies.....This person is very unprepared.
I'm on the side of the dogs....they don't have the ability to speak.

[maryeverett1]

agreed on the advice that was given 100% and to whoever said I was being intolerant you are exactly right!! I won't ever accept people treating other people with disrespect no matter where it is done period. And no sleep is being lost!! :-) The advice is not what I have a problem with...the way it was given is. There is a difference between being blunt and not mincing words and being disrespectful and out and out rude.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I'm on the side of the dogs....they don't have the ability to speak.

Elaine

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Elaine

Let me add in defense of Wylie's Mom/Moderator. She's on the side of the dogs too, and could very well be the reason she allowed the thread to be played out.

[Wylie's Mom]

I agree w/ Mardelin - that's where I'm coming from as well.

I think this thread is presumptive. It infers too much about the original thread that wasn't there, in my opinion. This person, disabled or fully abled, was breeding an abused dog, was not providing a safe environment for these dogs, and was adding more dogs to the mix. THAT was really the issue. Dogs were fighting, puppies died.

When a few people made comments saying she should not be using these dogs to make money, those comments, imo, were *not* about her disability - those comments were about the fact that she was *not* breeding safely.

For the record, maryeverrett1, I am not blind - but I do find it very ironic and rather insensitive that you would make that kind of comment in this thread.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

That was a very emotional thread.....quite a disgusting topic in my opinion.

You say that I was not one of the people you are referring to and talk about my peers. First of all, let me remind you that your peer jumped all over me and falsely accused me. Did you say anything to him?

You are frustrated because I suppose you want something to happen to a person who voiced their opinion. You don't call the shots on that and I would like to suggest that you learn that quickly. Losing sleep over something online is simply unhealthy.

I honestly believe that if some of your peers had not jumped in and come up with such lame excuses for a person to breed indiscriminately, then it would never have come to what it did. How do you see them as any different than those you are complaining about? Seriously. They only posted to start a complaint session...to defend someone breeding an abused pup...surely people HAVE to know that the poor dog should never have been bred. You expect yorkie lovers to just sit back and be quiet? That will never happen, so I suggest you find a healthy way to deal with it before it makes you ill.

My peers ... I suppose you mean other rescuers, although some of the people who agreed with us are not rescuers; are wonderful people who totally love the breed and give to them on a daily basis. I am proud to be associated with them.

I see all of the comments here as simply more drama. I say let it go. You cannot change things. There are many people on YT who bother me with things they say/do; but, I realize that I don't have the magic button to make them leave. We all need to simply learn to live and let live.

What someone says does not make it so.

Don't you see that you are also being intolerant? seriously You are doing just what you are complaining about.

Ithink you re doing exsctly what you accuse so msny of doing "missing the point". My point is "personanlly attacking someone is not necessry. If they are onot getting the point, then shake your head and walk away, attacking them personally is not going to get your point across.

And how am I doing "just what I am complaining about?" I have made no personal attacks on anyone. Attacking what a person says "about their dog" is one thing. Making rude comments about their financial or phyhsical status is as whole different ball game.

I am not reopening the discussion sbout her dog

This thread is not about whether she did right or wrong by her dog. It is whether the posters did right or wrong, by another individual, by YT, by an entire class of people.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

Being respectful doesn't mean you are condoning what someone is doing!! There was a good advice given at the beginning but it got ugly really fast! The issues you listed above are serious and did need to be addressed but could have been done without out and out meaness and being rude. All I'm saying here.

I went back and looked and she was offered A LOT of suggestions and advice and it really didn't start to take a turn until about 4 pages in and that was after it came to light that the dog was abused. Honestly, I'm pretty sure that's what ignited the passion in the posters from then on.
Again I'm not condoning anyone for making any rude remarks regarding someone's disability or financial status at all. I didn't do that.
How about the question though of disrespect for that poor female though? That was the issue for me. I'm sorry but I don't think the dog deserved that.

[RemydeHaviland]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

That is like blaming the disabled kid for being disabled. It is their fault for showing up to school in a wheel chair. Didn't they realize they would be picked on?

I would draw a distinction here...

Blaming or bullying someone simply for the sake of their disability or difference is without a doubt wrong and uncalled for. In that regard I completely agree with you

However when one chooses to bring up those types of things in the context of explaining, justifying, rationalizing, or legitimizing other behaviors - particularly ones that have had extreme consequences (there were fatalities...) that is not going to garner much empathy, or respect. IMO

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I agree w/ Mardelin - that's where I'm coming from as well.

I think this thread is presumptive. It infers too much about the original thread that wasn't there, in my opinion. This person, disabled or fully abled, was breeding an abused dog, was not providing a safe environment for these dogs, and was adding more dogs to the mix. THAT was really the issue. Dogs were fighting, puppies died.

When a few people made comments saying she should not be using these dogs to make money, those comments, imo, were *not* about her disability - those comments were about the fact that she was *not* breeding safely.

For the record, maryeverrett1, I am not blind - but I do find it very ironic and rather insensitive that you would make that kind of comment in this thread.

Let me add I will never respect those that do not respect or put animal welfare first.

I was always taught that one has to "Earn Respect" and it is not a right.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Ithink you re doing exsctly what you accuse so msny of doing "missing the point". My point is "personanlly attacking someone is not necessry. If they are onot getting the point, then shake your head and walk away, attacking them personally is not going to get your point across.

And how am I doing "just what I am complaining about?" I have made no personal attacks on anyone. Attacking what a person says "about their dog" is one thing. Making rude comments about their financial or phyhsical status is as whole different ball game.

I am not reopening the discussion sbout her dog

This thread is not about whether she did right or wrong by her dog. It is whether the posters did right or wrong, by another individual, by YT, by an entire class of people.

Jeanie,
Again I'm not condoning attacks on anyone with a disability or for being poor, but I don't honestly see how you can separate out your quote above.
I don't think you can say whether posters did right by that individual without the connection of her doing right by the dog. It goes hand in hand because it's what ignited the passion and responses.
I'm not going to lose sight of what disturbed me about that situation to begin with because I think it's serious.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Reese1

I posted in that thread, but I did NOT make any comments in regard to her health, disability or being poor.
The issues to me were:
She took in a 1yr female that according to her was physically abused, skin & bones and had emotional issues. This female was immediately bred.
This same female has now drawn blood on another pregnant female & killed their puppies.
I'm sorry but that still breaks my heart, those were the issues for me.
I also think a lot of advice was given to her at the beginning.
I'm not condoning the comments you are bringing up that were made to her, but I don't condone her actions where this poor female is concerned either.

Again, this thread is not to repoen the discussion about her dog. This is a discussion about the type of responses she recieved about her personal status.

They were appalling, uncalled for and added nothing to the discussion.

It made the posters look bad, it made YT look bad, and the only thing learned from those posts was "WARNINIG!!! Ask questions at your own risk.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I agree w/ Mardelin - that's where I'm coming from as well.

I think this thread is presumptive. It infers too much about the original thread that wasn't there, in my opinion. This person, disabled or fully abled, was breeding an abused dog, was not providing a safe environment for these dogs, and was adding more dogs to the mix. THAT was really the issue. Dogs were fighting, puppies died.

When a few people made comments saying she should not be using these dogs to make money, those comments, imo, were *not* about her disability - those comments were about the fact that she was *not* breeding safely.

For the record, maryeverrett1, I am not blind - but I do find it very ironic and rather insensitive that you would make that kind of comment in this thread.

I want to commend you for what you have to do here girl.....we all know you are NOT blind and will put a stop to anything you feel is going terribly wrong.

I know some people are new and don't really 'know' you but you are one of the BEST MODERATORS I've seen on a site. I found that comment off base too because when it comes to putting your personal feelings aside you do a great job. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. I know I personally couldn't do it.

[chic-n-ltl]

I'm new to YT, and I didn't read the post, but, I have read a few of these comments. I came on here this morning to ask a question.....now, I'm not sure I should ask anything on here!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl

I'm new to YT, and I didn't read the post, but, I have read a few of these comments. I came on here this morning to ask a question.....now, I'm not sure I should ask anything on here!!

You need not be afraid to ask your questions, especially if you are very concerned for the welfare of your dog(s) and really want advice.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl

I'm new to YT, and I didn't read the post, but, I have read a few of these comments. I came on here this morning to ask a question.....now, I'm not sure I should ask anything on here!!

take a look at the thousands of new posts - maybe you'll change your mind - One thread does not reflect the whole site - there are always going to be differences of opinions anywhere on the internet

Go ahead and ask your question - and welcome !