I am sorry to say.........

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

being i posted this i dont have a hard time following but maybe others do..??

it simply has quotes from THIS thread with my opinion in blue

there was too many i wanted to address to quote and then type..it would take to long

It does take time...that I agree with. Don't know how others viewed it. I have to say that I gave up on reading it and I don't like doing that because I do like to view others opinions.

I suppose the fact that yours are in blue makes sense; but I am an old bat and have a hard enough time following some things. I think I could not figure out who you were quoting.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I am responding to this before reading the rest of the thread. I simply want to say thank you because this is exactly what happened. The man who is not posting here yet today was the one defending her practices and that is who also accused me of insensitivity.

That woman was not attacked the way I see all of this....I said it before...this is SPIN. And, yes, that IS a witch hunt....and the person being hunted is NOT a witch.

could you explain exactly how this is a witch hunt. I am not hunting anyone.

No one has to post in this thread or admit to anything. I am surprised that so many of the offenders have posted here. I didn't think any of them would.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

could you explain exactly how this is a witch hunt. I am not hunting anyone.

No one has to post in this thread or admit to anything. I am surprised that so many of the offenders have posted here. I didn't think any of them would.

Sure you are. You simply could not let that thread go and you just have to tell everyone how she maligned a poor disabled and poor woman; and that is just NOT being honest. I will bet that you are steaming because you probably wanted her suspended. Just unbelievable....now go bathe your pups as you said you were. That is a much more worth while thing to be doing.

I left here earlier to do the same thing. Sometimes the internet takes time away from those things and it really is healthier for everyone to take a break from the madness.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by red98vett

why would you say that ? There's tons of breeders happy to answer questions ...that's only compounding the idea that everyone is mean here and they aren't !!! I know you meant well but if it's posted in that section - others may find that kind of question and answer beneficial to them also -

No I did not indicate that everyone is mean. just that if you want an answer to a question and not a lectutr on breeding ethics you might not want to post the question publicly

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Don't worry Jeanie you can give bathes. I sent her a PM and directed her to the Breeding forum AND to a few well respected breeder. Looks like one of them already answer her question

Thank You

[jrsygal37]

I have seen all these quotes of all the bad that newbies have come on to post yet did you bother to go through all the threads to post about all the good that has been said about YT. I'm a rescuer. I do not have a Holier then thou attitude. I do not attack breeders. Not good ones. I do have issues with people using their dogs to make a living without concern for the welfare of the dogs they are breeding. The points that seem to be overlooked is that 1. She "rescued" in her words this dog. 2. In her words, the dog was skin and bones, not quite a year old and frightened, yet she bred her, not only too young, but right away without even addressing the issues first that this poor dog had and 3. She's not only bred her once but back to back. She asked for advice, yet how can we in good conscience give that advice without first addressing the real issue/s.

You speak about attacking and LadyJane seems to be brought up quite a bit, but have you or anyone looked to see the work LadyJane has done with dogs that no one wanted or would otherwise be dead (or) instead of posting all the negative comments made about YT and the members, how about posting the good that these same members you are accusing of attacking have done.

It is a witch hunt and it is one sided but not on the side you're suggesting.

I advocate the interest of the animal first and if that makes me a bad person then so be it.

Elaine

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I guess another thought on this is since income and disability has been brought up, she is not exactly without income if she does not breed. I believe if you are legally disabled you would be collecting SS Disability no? And, I just have to wonder if this is the case why she'd need to breed to suppliment her income or whether or not it is even legal to be working and collecting (Breeding is income right) or whether it is she is just not reporting the income she makes from breeding. Not attacking. Just bringing up a logical legal point that everyone here bringing up attacks, disabilities, and income has seemed to pass over. Elaine

LOL
Do you have any idea what a disabled person get from SS?

But the funny part is.

Everyone is so concerned that someone is breeding to make money, but what they are not saying is that there is little if any profit in breeding. That was the very first lesson I learned on here. The seond lesson was to be very selective about the questions you ask and to research other threads to find the answer before you ask.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I have seen all these quotes of all the bad that newbies have come on to post yet did you bother to go through all the threads to post about all the good that has been said about YT. I'm a rescuer. I do not have a Holier then thou attitude. I do not attack breeders. Not good ones. I do have issues with people using their dogs to make a living without concern for the welfare of the dogs they are breeding. The points that seem to be overlooked is that 1. She "rescued" in her words this dog. 2. In her words, the dog was skin and bones, not quite a year old and frightened, yet she bred her, not only too young, but right away without even addressing the issues first that this poor dog had and 3. She's not only bred her once but back to back. She asked for advice, yet how can we in good conscience give that advice without first addressing the real issue/s.

You speak about attacking and LadyJane seems to be brought up quite a bit, but have you or anyone looked to see the work LadyJane has done with dogs that no one wanted or would otherwise be dead (or) instead of posting all the negative comments made about YT and the members, how about posting the good that these same members you are accusing of attacking have done.

It is a witch hunt and it is one sided but not on the side you're suggesting.

I advocate the interest of the animal first and if that makes me a bad person then so be it.

Elaine

It would be helpful rif youf fmade reference to whom you were adderessing your post, either by quoting or by name.

if you were addressing me.

I have NEVER brought up ANY names. No names need to be brought up, the thread speaks for itself


I do not know what you mean by a witch hunt. Call me stupid if you want, it won't be the first time. I am not hunting anyone.

Any one that comes on here and posts does so of their own free will.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

LOL
Do you have any idea what a disabled person get from SS?

But the funny part is.

Everyone is so concerned that someone is breeding to make money, but what they are not saying is that there is little if any profit in breeding. That was the very first lesson I learned on here. The seond lesson was to be very selective about the questions you ask and to research other threads to find the answer before you ask.

Well, I may not have the exact figure. I think the SS is based on dependents ect. However, I do know that if you are collecting you should not be working because that is the point in collecting SS Disablility. Your inablility to work. Since, money is being exchanged through the sale of the pups, then she is earning income which says she can work. And, actually let me correct you. Little profit is made when proper care and concern is given to the dogs you are breeding as well as the pups you are selling, however, Big profit is made when the welfare of the dogs you breed or pups you sell is not your priority. Elaine

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I have seen all these quotes of all the bad that newbies have come on to post yet did you bother to go through all the threads to post about all the good that has been said about YT. I'm a rescuer. I do not have a Holier then thou attitude. I do not attack breeders. Not good ones. I do have issues with people using their dogs to make a living without concern for the welfare of the dogs they are breeding. The points that seem to be overlooked is that 1. She "rescued" in her words this dog. 2. In her words, the dog was skin and bones, not quite a year old and frightened, yet she bred her, not only too young, but right away without even addressing the issues first that this poor dog had and 3. She's not only bred her once but back to back. She asked for advice, yet how can we in good conscience give that advice without first addressing the real issue/s.

You speak about attacking and LadyJane seems to be brought up quite a bit, but have you or anyone looked to see the work LadyJane has done with dogs that no one wanted or would otherwise be dead (or) instead of posting all the negative comments made about YT and the members, how about posting the good that these same members you are accusing of attacking have done.

It is a witch hunt and it is one sided but not on the side you're suggesting.

I advocate the interest of the animal first and if that makes me a bad person then so be it.

Elaine

i singled out this thread..too many others to go through and i singled out some of the problems i saw...i didnt picked just from one person but through out the entire thread...i was posting about something i saw as an issue i wasnt speaking about the good..i was speaking on the problems with all the negativity..that was point i wanted made

i also dont see people chasing anyone with fire lit torches..lol...and no names have been mentioned at all..so if anyone feels they are being hunted down..it could be their conscious

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It would be helpful rif youf fmade reference to whom you were adderessing your post, either by quoting or by name.

if you were addressing me.

I have NEVER brought up ANY names. No names need to be brought up, the thread speaks for itself


I do not know what you mean by a witch hunt. Call me stupid if you want, it won't be the first time. I am not hunting anyone.

Any one that comes on here and posts does so of their own free will.

You are not stupid. And, you also are not fooling anyone. You did not bring up any names; but you did say it was my peer. So clearly, you are dropping little hints. Honestly after you said that it probably became crystal clear to everyone who you meant.

You are just dancing to avoid being suspended for a direct attack.

Makes NO sense to me that you are spending this amount of time trying to discredit a very lovely woman who meant NO ill to any human being. Well actually it sort of makes sense if perhaps you put a vested interest in trying to get her suspended. Just a thought.

If you really believe the things you are saying, then I suggest you consult with a professor who can assist you in reading comprehension. She did NOT attack anyone!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Thank God. I would wish that she never sees this thread because it is sure to hurt her feelings. That, I believe, is exactly the intention and that also disgusts me because I see the people who are doing it as insensitive themselves. There is NO reason for this meanness...it does NOT legitimize what they SPIN as meanness.

She is an extremely kind and generous individual who does not deserve what is being insinuated by the op.

This thread totally disgusts me, but as I said, I realize that some things just have to play out; and this is not my message board or my call.

The OP is not insinuating anything, I have no idea what you mean by the SPIN and the witch hunt, that you keep referring to.

This is not about anyone person, it is about the fentire group that attacked her personally.

If I were directing this at any one post, I would create a link to that exact post.

I am upset with the pack mentality.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i singled out this thread..too many others to go through and i singled out some of the problems i saw...i didnt picked just from one person but through out the entire thread...i was posting about something i saw as an issue i wasnt speaking about the good..i was speaking on the problems with all the negativity..that was point i wanted made

i also dont see people chasing anyone with fire lit torches..lol...and no names have been mentioned at all..so if anyone feels they are being hunted down..it could be their conscious

Unfortunately for me I DO know who she is referring to as she sent a nasty PM to that person.

Sometimes we need to let things go. My suggestion for the day for all of us is to go pray for everyone who upsets you....pray for them to have all good things and voila! we will see things in a different light. God has a way of making things better if we remain open to that possibility.

[ladyjane]

I am quite finished...I have better things to do today.

Jeannie you did say it was one of my peers...ONE...not many. But...as I said..I am finished for now. I would go back and find that post, but I dont want to be on the computer any longer.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You are not stupid. And, you also are not fooling anyone. You did not bring up any names; but you did say it was my peer. So clearly, you are dropping little hints. Honestly after you said that it probably became crystal clear to everyone who you meant.

You are just dancing to avoid being suspended for a direct attack.

Makes NO sense to me that you are spending this amount of time trying to discredit a very lovely woman who meant NO ill to any human being. Well actually it sort of makes sense if perhaps you put a vested interest in trying to get her suspended. Just a thought.

If you really believe the things you are saying, then I suggest you consult with a professor who can assist you in reading comprehension. She did NOT attack anyone!

There were several of your PEERS that were posting on that thread. My original post mentioned EXPERIENCED BREEDERS and RESCUERS.

You fit in that group.

You contradict yourself. First you say I am not STUPID then suggest that I need help in reading comprehension.

I have been in enough debates with you to know that when you run out of arguments, you start personal attacks. I guess we have reached that point.

Say what you want about me, make all your little personal slams. It only goes to prove my point.

Thanks for the help.